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Old 01-24-2009, 08:59 AM   #2251
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And x100 on Great Lakes walleye. THAT is some good eatin! I treated myself to a big' ol 1lb+ fillet last summer while visiting my parents. Did it in cast iron on the grille. Awesome...
The big walley in Lake Erie are few and far between anymore. The gill nets in Canada by commercial fishermen took their toll on em. But they are indeed tasty.
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What kind of fat burner did you get? What's it got in it?
My guess is either caffeine/ephedrine/synephrine, you sound phuckin' wired man.
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Ridiculous volume on chest and still with nice sets at 205. I think you are just at the "I feel and look small point" since you are not at the "vascular ripped and looking huge popping point." That appears to be the worst mental position for you guys who compete and a phenomenon I have seen several times while following journals, once you are past this point physically I think your mental game will really start to increase.
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I can do the weekend after that though.
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you mean there are other ways to cook fish?
About 20 or so years ago a bunch of us went fishing.
We caught a bunch of different fish. We had so many of them we got tired of cleaning them so a bunch were put into a cooler with ice. We got drinking
(A lot) then one of my weightlifting friends was freaking out because he didn't eat his protein "on time". Next thing all you see is a frozen fish being ripped apart bones and all.

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I knew of him, but I'm just starting to learn more about Larry Scott. x2 on the sharpness & likeable attuitude. Going to spend more time seeing what he has to say/said.

And x100 on Great Lakes walleye. THAT is some good eatin! I treated myself to a big' ol 1lb+ fillet last summer while visiting my parents. Did it in cast iron on the grille. Awesome...
You can learn a lot from many of the "older" pros. BUT a lot of those techniques they did have been modified or for a better term updated.
Lets just say they didn't have Hammer Strength machines and diets have been
changed considerably over the years.

Most anything is better on the grill. IMO

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The big walley in Lake Erie are few and far between anymore. The gill nets in Canada by commercial fishermen took their toll on em. But they are indeed tasty.
I don't know. the erie perch is really good. If you catch enough of them.

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Ridiculous volume on chest and still with nice sets at 205. I think you are just at the "I feel and look small point" since you are not at the "vascular ripped and looking huge popping point." That appears to be the worst mental position for you guys who compete and a phenomenon I have seen several times while following journals, once you are past this point physically I think your mental game will really start to increase.
Thanks man!! That really makes sense.
Although I don't feel "small". I am VERY happy with my size.
But the vascularity and ripped point I am a little disappointed with that aspect though.

As you said I will get there.

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Shower get dressed

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Post workout CellMass Many of you know my take on most supplements. I don't buy into many of them. I Really believe in this stuff for recovery though.
Reason being...

As I am getting leaner I am keeping much muscle mass (more than previous times of leaning out). The only thing that I really changed from the past while leaning out is adding this to my supplements.

19:00 6 eggs (two whole 4 whites with some mushrooms)

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Most anything is better on the grill. IMO
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Second baby step yesterday. I put in my vacation request the friday's
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Good deal!

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Post workout CellMass Many of you know my take on most supplements. I don't buy into many of them. I Really believe in this stuff for recovery though.
Reason being...

As I am getting leaner I am keeping much muscle mass (more than previous times of leaning out). The only thing that I really changed from the past while leaning out is adding this to my supplements.

19:00 6 eggs (two whole 4 whites with some mushrooms)

21:00 Cottage cheese

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I understand the next-to-no-carbs, but I expected to see more fat here. (?)Help a brother out!
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Thanks man!! That really makes sense.
Although I don't feel "small". I am VERY happy with my size.
But the vascularity and ripped point I am a little disappointed with that aspect though.

As you said I will get there.

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hi, carl, vascularity, arginine suplement?
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Second baby step yesterday. I put in my vacation request the friday's
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Cool!
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04:45 Fat Burners, BCAA's and 40 minutes fasted cardio.
Shower get dressed

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Post workout CellMass Many of you know my take on most supplements. I don't buy into many of them. I Really believe in this stuff for recovery though.
Reason being...

As I am getting leaner I am keeping much muscle mass (more than previous times of leaning out). The only thing that I really changed from the past while leaning out is adding this to my supplements.

19:00 6 eggs (two whole 4 whites with some mushrooms)

21:00 Cottage cheese

21:30 bed

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Where are the fats and veggies? What do you use for fiber?
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X about 10 million. Charcoal+ Mesquite chips+ the tissue protein (I'm really partial to fish; chicken a close second, then red meat) of your choice= WIN.
Chicken and steak 4 sure!!!

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I've been doing these some, too. I feel I can get some isolation on my upper abs with 'em.
If you notice lately I will do hanging leg raises then crunches then these rope crunches. Who knows whats next. Different angles even on the abs.

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hi, carl, vascularity, arginine suplement?
I have taken some in the past and saw absolutely no difference in vascularity.

The body manufactures its own arginine. Many common foods, such as chocolate, dairy products, meat, oats, peanuts, contain large amounts of arginine.

**Beware as I have researched**
When adding too much extra arginine for long periods of time it may result in thickening and coarsening of the skin and/or nitrogen imbalance in the body. When and IF this does happen it can be very hard to get the body back to normal.

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Cool!

Where are the fats and veggies? What do you use for fiber?
My goal is to get my waist down. Bottom line. Supplementation of EFA's.

This is not long term. It is just the Monday thru Thursday.
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If you notice lately I will do hanging leg raises then crunches then these rope crunches. Who knows whats next. Different angles even on the abs.
By all means.

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Flaxseed.
Oh, okay. What are it's advantages for a cutting bodybuilder; I know about the health advantages.

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When adding too much extra arginine for long periods of time it may result in thickening and coarsening of the skin and/or nitrogen imbalance in the body. When and IF this does happen it can be very hard to get the body back to normal.
Hmm; Nitrogen imbalance. Since protein provides Nitrogen for the body to manufacture aminos with, that could be a potentially really bad thing.
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Oh, okay. What are it's advantages for a cutting bodybuilder. I know about the health advantages.
Flaxseed oil is rich in EFA's, essential fatty acids. More specifically it contains the omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids. This is the technical meaning of healthy fat. Your body needs these fats to function properly, yet it doesn't produce it on it's own. This makes EFA's an important part of your diet. Other sources of these fats are fish and nuts. Most of the fat in my diet comes from a combination of nuts and flax seed oil.

The hard part about getting all of your good fat from nuts or fish is that nuts contain extra calories from carbs and protein, and it's not very convenient to prepare and eat a fish like salmon everyday plus I can get sick of eating it all the time. Flax seed oil on the other hand is as quick and simple as can be, and contains for the most part, just fat. So... it has less calories than nuts.

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Hmm; Nitrogen imbalance. Since protein provides Nitrogen for the body to manufacture aminos with, that could be a potentially really bad thing.
I feel that I get enough from what I eat. I may take some here and there.
Especially while on a calorie deficit I am much more susceptable to lower incraments due to my lower body fat and total body weight.

Yes, it would be a very bad thing if the body gets off track like that.

Then again once you really get into it the body needs more Ornithine as well to make the arginine to work properly, especially when substatuting more arginine in the diet.




Also I forgot to tell Tiffy yesterday Flaxseed contains soluble and insoluble fiber.

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I have taken some in the past and saw absolutely no difference in vascularity.

The body manufactures its own arginine. Many common foods, such as chocolate, dairy products, meat, oats, peanuts, contain large amounts of arginine.

**Beware as I have researched**
When adding too much extra arginine for long periods of time it may result in thickening and coarsening of the skin and/or nitrogen imbalance in the body. When and IF this does happen it can be very hard to get the body back to normal.
all rigth, personally, i don't use it, i always avoid certains suplemenst due to a hypersensitive heart(a medic term invented by me), i don't consume things that have caffeine or chocolate, those things gave me palpitations. a natural aproach is better. actually a lot of proteins have arginine, taking more i don't thing is good luck.
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Also I forgot to tell Tiffy yesterday Flaxseed contains soluble and insoluble fiber.

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Yea let me know what time on Saturday. I can pretty much walk there if it was not 8 degree's ooutside.
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Thanks, Carl. I didn't realize there was protein (and complete protein, at that) in there, too.
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Yea let me know what time on Saturday. I can pretty much walk there if it was not 8 degree's ooutside.
I'm thinking 11:00.
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Thanks, Carl. I didn't realize there was protein (and complete protein, at that) in there, too.
Not much but it's in there.


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Very interesting!!! When do you plan to start carbing up? Are you going to keep your carbs clean till the end? How much water do you take in the last week? How many questions can I ask before you get pissed at me? Seriously, this is where it gets interesting.. I know you have a plan of attack. Stay with it and don't second guess yourself too much. You can do it!!!!
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Actually I will carb up on Friday. I will eat a couple potatoes or rice with each of my 6 meals that day. Then go back to the low carb and cycle it again.

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How much water do you take in the last week?
I can barely get one gallon a day. I hate going to the bathroom every 15 to 20 minutes. Right now i drink about a half gallon a day.

Week of the show Saturday, Sunday, Monday and tuesday will be a gallon a day adding sodium to all meals. Wed. will be a half gallon cut sodium out.
Thursday cut water around noon. After noon Thursday and Friday sips of water with meals only. Wed. night eat some Tostito pizza before bed. Thursday morning to 3pm regular low carb meals. 3pm to showtime carb loading with potatoes and rice. Snickers bar and niacin about 15 minutes before stage
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Looks like a good training session; you're still moving a good amount of iron, even with upper body work. Machine presses look strong.

Interesting prep details, Carl. I'm such a noob at this, it's ridiculous! I appreciate your sharing the details; it helps me figure out the what/why/when of the whole thing.
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I'm thinking 11:00.
I'll pm you next wek I'm not positive what I will be working on that day yet.



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OK NP, just let me know so I am not doing back to back bodyparts. I can adjust my split pretty easily.
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ok...probably a stupid question...but why the snickers bar 15 mins pre stage?
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ok...probably a stupid question...but why the snickers bar 15 mins pre stage?
the spun sugar provides a timed spike that enhances vascularity (which in turn offers a better pump)
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