keto

[alpha]

what do you guys think of the CDK diet for quick fat loss?
im at about 16% bf and want to cut to 10% so i was planning on giving it a go...but i thought id just get a general consensus first.
Also, does anyone know if this is commonly used by natural BBers to cut?

[alpha]

bump...

no one?

[SKooT1027]

There's a sub forum for keto, i think, so you should get more action there. I dont know enough about it to help, but may try it out in a few weeks

[alpha]

yeah but im guessing it'll be full of keto lovers....i wanted some balanced opinions....people that've tried keto and 40/40/20 on calorie deficit...which is better for quick fat loss?

[yungwon2005]

Hey Alpha,

In my opinion based upon wat I've read and after discussing it with a veteran nurse... I would not recommend putting yourself into ketosis. When you're body is in keto it makes it much more difficult for your body to metabolize body fat because it requires adequate amounts of carbohydrates in order to do so. Also, it is hard on your kidneys and because you only get two of those for your entire life I would not suggest putting unnecessary strain on any vital organs just to short cut some fat loss. I've read in Arnold's bodybuilding book that the best way to cut back your carbs without putting yourself into keto is to go to any local drug store and buy some "ketostix". These are urine strips that are cheap and readily available to test and make sure you are not going into ketosis. You can cut back on carbs as much as possible, while testing yourself to make sure you're not in keto. If you find that you are just eat some carbs and pull yourself back out. From what I've heard though it is not healthy and not worth the potential problems that could occur later down the road. Just follow a healthy, lean diet and don't be affraid of the treadmill. That alone will get you the results if you are strict with it. Cheers

[Eileen]

Please do some reading, you are way out on a lot of stuff. Being in ketosis makes it much easier to burn fat, not more difficult. It does make it more difficult to build muscle mass, but not impossible.

Keto is not hard on the kidneys. If anything, high protein diets like 40/40/20 should be harder than a moderate protein diet like keto, but there is no evidence whatsoever that a healthy person will have her or his kidneys damaged by protein.

I've been eating keto for over eight years now, and I'm in much better health than when I was eating low fat diets or according to the food pyramid.

[yungwon2005]

My response was based on reading... I even mentioned my source. But for you, AGAIN, Arnold Schwarzenegger " The New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding" .... not sure if you've heard of him or not but I'm pretty sure he knows a thing or two about training and nutrition. Also, the part about being hard on the kidneys was a direct quote from a Nurse Supervisor of a large hospital whose been in the field for over 30 years. Either they are both wrong or perhaps it is you who should do some reading.

[a44100Hz]

While Arnold is a huge name in the industry, his book is dated and most likely so is the science contained within it.

There are a lot of ways to lose weight. Alpha, give it a shot for a week, see if you like the results. You're not going to have kidney failure after a week of keto.

[Eileen]

Originally Posted by yungwon2005

My response was based on reading... I even mentioned my source. But for you, AGAIN, Arnold Schwarzenegger " The New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding" .... not sure if you've heard of him or not but I'm pretty sure he knows a thing or two about training and nutrition. Also, the part about being hard on the kidneys was a direct quote from a Nurse Supervisor of a large hospital whose been in the field for over 30 years. Either they are both wrong or perhaps it is you who should do some reading.

Arnie (yes, I think I might have heard of him) wasn't concerned with fat loss so much as muscle gain.

And I know plenty of nurses and doctors too, who can't tell the difference between ketoacidocis (which is the one they see and which requires medical attention) and ketosis which is a normal response to low glycogen levels and requires no treatment because it is normal.

[SKooT1027]

Originally Posted by alpha

yeah but im guessing it'll be full of keto lovers....i wanted some balanced opinions....people that've tried keto and 40/40/20 on calorie deficit...which is better for quick fat loss?

Won't help you now, but I'm doing the 40/40/20 and giong to do keto next to compare. I just started the first tho, so it'll be at least 3-4 months, if not longer. Maybe ask again then?

[alpha]

Originally Posted by Eileen

Please do some reading, you are way out on a lot of stuff. Being in ketosis makes it much easier to burn fat, not more difficult. It does make it more difficult to build muscle mass, but not impossible.

Keto is not hard on the kidneys. If anything, high protein diets like 40/40/20 should be harder than a moderate protein diet like keto, but there is no evidence whatsoever that a healthy person will have her or his kidneys damaged by protein.

I've been eating keto for over eight years now, and I'm in much better health than when I was eating low fat diets or according to the food pyramid.

SO is keto a faster way to lose fat than a regular calorie deficit?
i dont mind losing a bit of muscle mass in the process, just want to drop down to 10% fast (since i dont really like the cutting process)

[algforcek]

Cannot Rep Eileen enough

[dragonaut]

is calories in versus calories out, just make sure you are eating enough protein and efa, and dont shy away from starchy carbs , specially around lifting

count your calories and when progress stall, either cut calories further down or increase activity

insulin cannot make fat out of thin air, as long as you are in a calorie deficit you will loose weight

[Eileen]

Originally Posted by alpha

SO is keto a faster way to lose fat than a regular calorie deficit?
i dont mind losing a bit of muscle mass in the process, just want to drop down to 10% fast (since i dont really like the cutting process)

Calories still count, but keto tends to be muscle sparing so what you lose should be nearly all fat, rather than the usual combination of fat and muscle. Also, keto tends to reduce hunger significantly, so it's easier to stick to your calorie limit without cheating or feeling deprived. You'll probably feel pretty knackered the first few days, but once your body adapts to burning fat, you'll feel better.

Several days of keto followed by a carb-up refeed allows for supercompensation and building muscle. Not as effective as a carb-based diet, but you are cutting, so it's a bonus. The carb-up also keeps leptin levels high and replenishes muscle glycogen so you can lift harder and heavier the following week.

For what it's worth, yes, I'm a keto lover, but only because I've tried just about every diet out there, and keto is the one that works best for me.

[alpha]

Originally Posted by Eileen

Calories still count, but keto tends to be muscle sparing so what you lose should be nearly all fat, rather than the usual combination of fat and muscle. Also, keto tends to reduce hunger significantly, so it's easier to stick to your calorie limit without cheating or feeling deprived. You'll probably feel pretty knackered the first few days, but once your body adapts to burning fat, you'll feel better.

Several days of keto followed by a carb-up refeed allows for supercompensation and building muscle. Not as effective as a carb-based diet, but you are cutting, so it's a bonus. The carb-up also keeps leptin levels high and replenishes muscle glycogen so you can lift harder and heavier the following week.

For what it's worth, yes, I'm a keto lover, but only because I've tried just about every diet out there, and keto is the one that works best for me.

thanks!
repped

[kowabungakyle]

Is keto good for someone who also runs and does cardio 6 days a week?

I currently lift heavy m w f, and do hiit tuesday thuesday and saturday, and LISS m w f after workout.

Will someone like me have enough energy to get through the workouts, and prepare for the next ones while on a keto diet? You still minus 500 calories from your resting state correct?

[Eileen]

If you are doing moderate intensity cardio, then you'll be fine. If you are doing really high intensity or competition training, then it would be a good idea to do TKD, where you eat a small carb meal before and after workouts.