military press question (form)

[PowerTricks]

Originally Posted by GreeneMachine

there is a difference in seated than standing. while standing you have the ability to use your legs to drive the bar overhead. while seated your lower body is immobilized and if your using a seated overhead press rack, then your back will be pressed against the seat causing more strain when you go into a negative below your shoulders. Most professional bodybuilders don't even go below ear level.

Oh I must have missed somewhere that you guys were talking about the seated press. And "professional" bodybuilders do what's more of a "shoulder" press because a lot of people aren't aware how a strict press is really done.

P.s. Your little attempt at negging me only resulted in a grey lol.

Fail.

[GreeneMachine]

Originally Posted by Shiranai

Going to chin is sufficient.

Also, on a side note, overhead presses (standing) are not supposed to have any leg drive. Push presses are the ones with leg drive.

I wasn't saying you should drive with your legs on a overhead press but using your legs to give yourself a little bounce up isn't no biggie just my opinion.

I've been negged three times for this thread and ya'll can keep negging me because you think I am wrong about the shoulder injuries due to improper form but I am the one that has 3 siblings that are all physical therapists and I am the one in college getting a BA in Sports and Health Science. My general concentration covers everything from Sports law to Biomechanics to pre-med to *wait for it* .......here it comes........ prevention of catastrophic injuries and also recovery and rehabilitation. So yeah when I'm done I will be a certified athletic trainer and a physical therapist so keep neggin me cause you all know so much more than anyone else. Thank you and fuKK off.

[Juggernaut33]

I also go down to chin level for military presses.

[PowerTricks]

Originally Posted by GreeneMachine

I've been negged three times for this thread and ya'll can keep negging me because you think I am wrong about the shoulder injuries due to improper form but I am the one that has 3 siblings that are all physical therapists and I am the one in college getting a BA in Sports and Health Science. My general concentration covers everything from Sports law to Biomechanics to pre-med to *wait for it* .......here it comes........ prevention of catastrophic injuries and also recovery and rehabilitation. So yeah when I'm done I will be a certified athletic trainer and a physical therapist so keep neggin me cause you all know so much more than anyone else. Thank you and fuKK off.

LOL. You are being negged because it is not proven that going full ROM will result in shoulder injuries. Have you taken a look at olympic lifters' presses? They go full ROM and yet there is little history of shoulder injury in that sport. And nowadays, a lot of physical therapists use methods that are outdated and and still not completely proven.

The main reason for shoulder injuries on presses are people flaring out their elbows too muchwhich puts too much stress on the scapulae and the sides of the shoulders, and using poor form in the first place. Learning an olympic press will help resolve this issue and prevent injuries if done correctly.

Oh and I think a real certified therapist and trainer would at least make an attempt at proper grammar. Just saying.

[GreeneMachine]

Originally Posted by PowerTricks

LOL. You are being negged because it is not proven that going full ROM will result in shoulder injuries. Have you taken a look at olympic lifters' presses? They go full ROM and yet there is little history of shoulder injury in that sport. And nowadays, a lot of physical therapists use methods that are outdated and and still not completely proven.

The main reason for shoulder injuries on presses are people flaring out their elbows too muchwhich puts too much stress on the scapulae and the sides of the shoulders, and using poor form in the first place. Learning an olympic press will help resolve this issue and prevent injuries if done correctly.

Oh and I think a real certified therapist and trainer would at least make an attempt at proper grammar. Just saying.

why because a forum is a spot where I should strive to have excellent grammar....give me a break. Also look a little into the practices of a physical therapist and give me proof that their methods do not work. Or just wait till you blow out your shoulder and need surgery then mock the surgeon because he sends you to physical therapy. I do not care for your responses anymore or your meaningless rebuttals.

[PowerTricks]

Originally Posted by GreeneMachine

why because a forum is a spot where I should strive to have excellent grammar....give me a break. Also look a little into the practices of a physical therapist and give me proof that their methods do not work. Or just wait till you blow out your shoulder and need surgery then mock the surgeon because he sends you to physical therapy. I do not care for your responses anymore or your meaningless rebuttals.

Lol again. I know grammar may not be that important on a forum but you get used to behaving professionally and that is needed when working with clients. Also people will take your posts more seriously instead of instant negging. Also, I did not say their methods will not work. I said a lot of therapists use "outdated methods" or theories. And another thing what I meant is most of the myths associated with full ROM for example, that myth that says going below parallel in a squat will damage your knees is complete bull****. Also I'm pretty sure I won't blow out my shoulder because I already know when to leave my ego at the door, drop the weight, and do my best to use strict form.

And I am positive that a good therapist or trainer would not be in the red. Even if a lot of people gave negs for stupid reasons, I have yet to see a GOOD therapist or trainer to receive negative feedback on this site.

[GreeneMachine]

Originally Posted by PowerTricks

Lol again. I know grammar may not be that important on a forum but you get used to behaving professionally and that is needed when working with clients. Also people will take your posts more seriously instead of instant negging. Also, I did not say their methods will not work. I said a lot of therapists use "outdated methods". And another thing what I meant is most of the myths associated with full ROM for example, that myth that says going below parallel in a squat will damage your knees is complete bull****. Also I'm pretty sure I won't blow out my shoulder because I already know when to leave my ego at the door, drop the weight, and do my best to use strict form.

ok well you keep up the good work on being right and make sure that everytime someone says something you don't agree with you immediately bash them instead of taking the time to explain your beliefs to them. it works so much better when you do it your way instead of the civil way. sorry for being defensive of myself but I try to not live my life intimidated by people who think they are better.

[GreeneMachine]

Originally Posted by PowerTricks

Lol again. I know grammar may not be that important on a forum but you get used to behaving professionally and that is needed when working with clients. Also people will take your posts more seriously instead of instant negging. Also, I did not say their methods will not work. I said a lot of therapists use "outdated methods" or theories. And another thing what I meant is most of the myths associated with full ROM for example, that myth that says going below parallel in a squat will damage your knees is complete bull****. Also I'm pretty sure I won't blow out my shoulder because I already know when to leave my ego at the door, drop the weight, and do my best to use strict form.

And I am positive that a good therapist or trainer would not be in the red. Even if a lot of people gave negs for stupid reasons, I have yet to see a GOOD therapist or trainer to receive negative feedback on this site.

also i said I was in school for this.....never said I had my degree. also if you look at my profile, i don't post much on the forum. I would also like to know how a 17 year old would know so much about the so called outdated methods and thories of a physical therapist. u never mentioned ever going to one or knowing someone that is one. your still in high school and I've been going to the gym for somewhere around a decade longer than you. just saying

[PowerTricks]

Originally Posted by GreeneMachine

also i said I was in school for this.....never said I had my degree. also if you look at my profile, i don't post much on the forum. I would also like to know how a 17 year old would know so much about the so called outdated methods and thories of a physical therapist. u never mentioned ever going to one or knowing someone that is one. your still in high school and I've been going to the gym for somewhere around a decade longer than you. just saying

Agree to disagree then. Look around there's TONS of reliable resources about myths of weight training, fitness etc. Most of it isn't just reading books. It's also from learning from people who are experienced in the fitness field and therapy. I recommend you(actually everyone else that is caught up in the myths) buy the book called Starting Strength. It has tons of information that even therapists and trainers should read. Also Mark Rippetoe has experience in some therapy so he knows what he's saying.

But ultimately, I can understand where your comming from and I'm not trying to poke at personal issues through a strength training thread.

[GreeneMachine]

Originally Posted by PowerTricks

Agree to disagree then. Look around there's TONS of reliable resources about myths of weight training, fitness etc. Most of it isn't just reading books. It's also from learning from people who are experienced in the fitness field and therapy. I recommend you(actually everyone else that is caught up in the myths) buy the book called Starting Strength. It has tons of information that even therapists and trainers should read. Also Mark Rippetoe has experience in some therapy so he knows what he's saying.

But ultimately, I can understand where your comming from and I'm not trying to poke at personal issues through a strength training thread.

Did it take you so long to reply cause you were googling therapy myths? Honestly you are 17, you have no info on your page.... not a single picture, no stats or anything. For all I know you could be 6'0'' and weigh 110 lbs with not a speck of anything that resembles a muscle on your body. People are visual beings. They want to see what the person looks like before they take your advise and FYI....I'm in the red because of about 4 *******s that kept neg me for saying "some people are complete retards." Not a good thing to say no, but in no way incorrect.

[PowerTricks]

Originally Posted by GreeneMachine

Did it take you so long to reply cause you were googling therapy myths? Honestly you are 17, you have no info on your page.... not a single picture, no stats or anything. For all I know you could be 6'0'' and weigh 110 lbs with not a speck of anything that resembles a muscle on your body. People are visual beings. They want to see what the person looks like before they take your advise and FYI....I'm in the red because of about 4 *******s that kept neg me for saying "some people are complete retards." Not a good thing to say no, but in no way incorrect.

It took me so long because I don't sit on the computer every second to see if someone replies. I don't scavenge the forums for threads or posts to flame like many other people. And what's your problem for freaking out when my last post gave you the benefit of the doubt? Do you not know what "agree to disagree" means? Did you not understand when I said I knew why you were getting frustrated?

Oh and I don't have stats because I'm currently unable to train because of a long term back injury. I feel it would be a waste of time to record something that will take a long time to get back to. In the mean time, I talk to many people about these subjects, read up on a lot things, practice technique while I heal up, and try to figure out the best routine for myself when I get back to lifting. Infact, I might be joining an olympic lifting club if I can find a coach. But in the mean time I have to rest.

P.s. I weigh around 175 lbs and my height is about 5'8. I don't record these things often because it isn't important unless I compete or track gains, losses, calculations, etc.

[GreeneMachine]

Originally Posted by PowerTricks

It took me so long because I don't sit on the computer every second to see if someone replies. I don't scavenge the forums for threads or posts to flame like many other people. And what's your problem for freaking out when my last post gave you the benefit of the doubt? Do you not know what "agree to disagree" means? Did you not understand when I said I knew why you were getting frustrated?

Oh and I don't have stats because I'm currently unable to train because of a long term back injury. I feel it would be a waste of time to record something that will take a long time to get back to. In the mean time, I talk to many people about these subjects, read up on a lot things, practice technique while I heal up, and try to figure out the best routine for myself when I get back to lifting. Infact, I might be joining an olympic lifting club if I can find a coach. But in the mean time I have to rest.

P.s. I weigh around 175 lbs and my height is about 5'8. I don't record these things often because it isn't important unless I compete or track gains, losses, calculations, etc.

well good for you.....hang in there.

ps. i know what it mean and no I'm not getting frustrated. I am just amused by children like you and I'm at work so i'm bored.

[thedestro]

Originally Posted by thedestro

Care to explain the mechanism by which this injury may occur? Oh, that's right, it's bull****.

People injure themselves while pressing because their lockout position ****ing sucks--bar isn't above the shoulders, scapulas aren't retracted, and the acromion process pressing on the humerus leads to a nice dose of shoulder impingement.

Since you seem to have missed it the first time, greene.

Thanks for the greys by the way.

[spirit3530]

Originally Posted by PowerTricks

Oh I must have missed somewhere that you guys were talking about the seated press. And "professional" bodybuilders do what's more of a "shoulder" press because a lot of people aren't aware how a strict press is really done.

P.s. Your little attempt at negging me only resulted in a grey lol.

Fail.

Originally Posted by greenmachine

well good for you.....hang in there.

ps. i know what it mean and no I'm not getting frustrated. I am just amused by children like you and I'm at work so i'm bored.

Do you want me to neg now or when you completely flame out??

[GreeneMachine]

Originally Posted by spirit3530

Do you want me to neg now or when you completely flame out??

now is fine. you can be like the rest of the dicks in these forums.

ps. by the way i could really care less about rep power.

[spirit3530]

Originally Posted by GreeneMachine

now is fine. you can be like the rest of the dicks in these forums.

ps. by the way i could really care less about rep power.

I know thats why you mentioned it instead of ignoring it.


You don't deal well with sarcasm do you? You are weak as a matyr too.

[buffgrk]

[PowerTricks]

Originally Posted by spirit3530

Do you want me to neg now or when you completely flame out??

I'm not flaming anyone. And I don't have intentions to flame.

The reason I said a lot of people don't know how to do one is because it's true lol. I'm not doubting anyone's technique in this thread but I am saying what happens a lot. If someone decides to press down to their chin, nose, etc., that's their choice. The argument was mostly about how there isn't any proof that going full range of motion was harmful enough to the shoulders to cause injury even with proper technique.

Edit: Oh now I see. I said "bodybuilders do _____" which I now admit is wrong and a mistake on my part because different bodybuilders do different things. Thanks for bringing it up.

[GreeneMachine]

Originally Posted by spirit3530

I know thats why you mentioned it instead of ignoring it.


You don't deal well with sarcasm do you? You are weak as a matyr too.

i deal with it fine. i just like to debate. anyways lol... i thought for the most part most of us AF people were somewhat sophisticated but I guess a few rejects slip through the cracks.

[spirit3530]

Originally Posted by GreeneMachine

i deal with it fine. i just like to debate. anyways lol... i thought for the most part most of us AF people were somewhat sophisticated but I guess a few rejects slip through the cracks.

Who or what are you talking about?

[VADave]

I prefer to keep elbows out, arms going to 90 degrees. I'll also come down to the chest on some sets, but ARMS IN. If you try to keep youre arms facing out you're going to hurt yourself.

[Paumen]

Just enough so the Humerus is just below paraell

[GreeneMachine]

Originally Posted by spirit3530

Who or what are you talking about?

you. profile says your stationed at hill afb and by your pictures and your usaf tattoo i seemed to use deductive reasoning to guage my response that you must have slipped through the cracks but i guess it went right over your head.

[GreeneMachine]

anyways this thread = waste of time. At first it was humorous but now it's just irritating.

later

[DSilent1]

wow what's going on in here?