Hes a 50 yearold power lifter who bench presses 500 and he was telling me that workings chest/bis and back/tris instead of the conventional chest/tris and back/bis is actually better for you for getting bigger and stronger.
What is the truth? He gave some good explanations.
just gives ur bi's and tris 2 workouts a week insted of 1
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I think chest/bi and back/tri is better cuz your working a little tris on chest day and a little bis on back day... so you get a little more training in on those muscles...
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um...
most compound exercises give you better results than isolation exercises. doing a heavy bench day would completely workout your tricepts and then youd usually follow it up with isolation to finish them off. they have already gotten a good workout from the bench, which is why you cant max out after youve finished...
i used to do chest tris with bench, incline, pec fly, dips, pullovers or w/e theyre called and then go to the home gym and do the tricept push downs with the v-bar and my strength increased greatly over the summer doing that.
over winter break im gonna go back to all compound exercises with limited iso since nothing has given better results so far.
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I'm with OP
I prefer to train chest/bi's back/tris. i think its more beneficial while bulking to directly and indirectly train each body part everyweek.
Doing bi's with chest lets me train them eaps harder because they're not fatigued from doing a heavy back workout before, and vise-versa for back tris
getting good gains from it, so I think a chest/bi, back/tri would work pretty well, better than the other way IMO
I don't think you get two full workouts for bi and tri, I don't get a crazy pump doing compounds like I do on arm day, they get worked a little, but nothing beats nailing them with some iso's
you'll overtrain your biceps with a chest/bi and then back/tri routine.
erm, no
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Originally Posted by BluePowerRanger
Back workouts that exercise your bicep:
1.Chin-ups
2.????
Seriously what other back exercises uses the bicep?
are you really that stoopid?
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Originally Posted by ryanw123
r u fuking stupid?
pretty much every back exercise works your biceps
all rows,pullups,deadlift...
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Originally Posted by piszczel
wut
deadlifts do work the biceps, nowhere as much as other lifts, but do nevertheless
The fact that one of the most common deadlift related injuries is the bicep tear goes to show how much strain deadlifting could put on your bicep. It has to be said however that most of these occur from people not fully straightening their arms before the start of the lift, but here's a video of the odd case where it occurs even with a straightened arm (watch his left bicep after 0:36)
A lot of ppl do it that way, If i was doing a split I would too. Let's say if I do chest/tris I like to go heavy and if I am doing Bench for chest and close grip for triceps ill obviously be pushing less weight
A guy at my school told me the same thing. Back and Tris instead of Back and bis. Not only i think ALMOST every back workout you do involves your bis. Same thing with Chest it involves your shoulders and tris. So i do Chest/bis on same day as for Back and Tris. But heres a new question. What about TRAPS They get worked out when you do shoulders correct? So when would you fit traps in? Sappose i do Monday Back and tris Tuesday Chest and Bis Wens should and what?? I usually fit my traps with Back and tris. But i am so exhausted when i get to them. Any ups?
Iv'e tried the Chest/bi's before. Didn't see much of a difference than back/bi's. The only thing was I felt like a douchbag doing bench n' curls together haha.
Switch between the two... its all about shocking your body once you plateau... I personally have been doing tri's/chest for a few months and am about to switch to bi's/chest. You have to learn how to lift with other muscles fatigued - if you get used to certain parts being sore, you may inadvertently be cheating using other parts. I've seen a lotta guys cheat on chest with their bi's.
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Well he talked about how when you do chest/tris, after you get done with chest your tris are so exhausted from supporting your chest that you can't work them out to their full potiential as you would if you worked back/tris. Makes sense.
you're a complete idiot first off for comparing a PRO BBer to an avg teenager that works out. Secondly, show me where this chest/tri and back/bi has been proven to be the best... not every pro has the same lifting regime it's just the most popular/ the one that works for them. Please don't post again about routines or exercises as you are clearly uninformed.
overtraining is the biggest bs i've ever heard off. it's true sometimes with heavy volume your body COULD benefit from a deload but I have never seen or experienced myself "overtraining". I tried that routine and it did wonders for me but my arms overpowered the rest of my physique so I quit arms altogether.
listen captain 18 year old, you should be doing probody builder work outs sense you have as much test in you as they do naturally seriously at 18 theres nothing you can do thats wrong. clearly your high school degree surpasses my college exercise degree. these "unproven" work outs done by thousands of athletes for centuries are obviously not proven to be the best, just cuz its what champions do.
over training your key board is probably the only thing you need to worry about so why have no need to comment on something youre never going to experience. in the 4 years or so youve been working out you probably havent experienced ****, so why would you comment on anything?
but i gatta go back to the gym cuz clearly im not there enough even though i get paid to be there.
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try this split
chest+ shoulders one day
back+ arms the other day
if you are worried about your tris or bis or whatever getting hit too much wider grip on the bench+ don't go all the way up on dumbells
same with back wide grip and use overhand instead of underhand
listen captain 18 year old, you should be doing probody builder work outs sense you have as much test in you as they do naturally seriously at 18 theres nothing you can do thats wrong. clearly your high school degree surpasses my college exercise degree. these "unproven" work outs done by thousands of athletes for centuries are obviously not proven to be the best, just cuz its what champions do.
over training your key board is probably the only thing you need to worry about so why have no need to comment on something youre never going to experience. in the 4 years or so youve been working out you probably havent experienced ****, so why would you comment on anything?
but i gatta go back to the gym cuz clearly im not there enough even though i get paid to be there.
lmao thats all i have to say to your response. Never said any of the training was wrong, chest tri is very popular I do that from time to time to switch it up so stfu and considering your in the "gym" so much you don't look anything special.
On top of that I'm pretty sure you take more supps than you do reps in the gym. Eat some real food for once.
the routine on their trains chest and biceps same day
but a bit more different really good split imo
training routine #3
CYCLE: Two Days On, One Day Off, One Day On, One Day Off, One Day On, One Day Off
LEVEL: Intermediate
GOAL: Muscle Size And Strength
Monday: Chest/Biceps
Chest
? Dumbbell Presses: 4 Sets x 8 Reps
? Flat Bench Presses: 4 Sets x 8 Reps
? Flat Dumbbell Flyes: 3 Sets x 8 Reps
? Cable Crossovers: 2 Sets x 12 Reps
Biceps
? Barbell Curls: 3 Sets x 8 Reps
? Close EZ Bar Curls: 3 Sets x 8 Reps
Tuesday: Legs
? Leg Curls: 4 Sets x 10 Reps
? Leg Extensions: 4 Sets x 10 Reps
? Leg Presses: 4 Sets x 12 Reps
? Squats: 4 Sets x 12 Reps
? Stiff Legged Deadlifts: 4 Sets x 12 Reps
Wednesday: OFF
Thursday: Back/Calves
Back
? Barbell Shrugs: 3 Sets x 10 Reps
? High Pulls: 3 Sets x 10 Reps
? Rear Shrugs: 3 Sets x 10 Reps
? Reverse Barbell Rows: 3 Sets x 10 Reps
? T-Bar Rows: 3 Sets x 10 Reps
? Dumbbell Rows: 3 Sets x 10 Reps
Calves
? Standing Calf Raises: 4 Sets x 12 Reps
? Seated Calf Raises: 4 Sets x 12 Reps
Friday: OFF
Saturday: Shoulders/Triceps
Shoulders
? Machine Laterals: 3 Sets x 10 Reps
? Dumbbell Laterals: 3 Sets x 10 Reps
? Side Dumbbell Laterals: 3 Sets x 10 Reps
Triceps
? Dumbbell Presses: 3 Sets x 10 Reps
? Tricep Pressdowns: 3 Sets x 10 Reps
? Barbell Presses: 3 Sets x 10 Reps
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Well he talked about how when you do chest/tris, after you get done with chest your tris are so exhausted from supporting your chest that you can't work them out to their full potiential as you would if you worked back/tris. Makes sense.
thats why i hit chest, back, and arms on seperate days
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Not a bad idea for variation and to work the biceps and triceps at the same time. Though most people like to do chest/tri & back/bi because those compound lifts emphasis on the isolated muscles.
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no it doesnt. your biceps will be tired by the time you work them.
thank you.
why is it hard for people to understand that you exhaust your biceps enough by doing a majority of back exercises. you might as well do triceps with back and bi's with chest that way youre not working any fatigued muscle
deadlifts do work the biceps, nowhere as much as other lifts, but do nevertheless
The fact that one of the most common deadlift related injuries is the bicep tear goes to show how much strain deadlifting could put on your bicep. It has to be said however that most of these occur from people not fully straightening their arms before the start of the lift, but here's a video of the odd case where it occurs even with a straightened arm (watch his left bicep after 0:36)
holy **** that made me flinch
i doubt that would happen with a double overhand tho. any supinated grip would stress the biceps
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