Mass Monster Bodybuilders and Dexter

darrinallen · 12-23-2008, 03:50 PM

I like Dexter as a Arnold classic winner , but I dont see him as a good Mr. Olympia.

The Mr. Olympia has to be the pinnacle of the sport of bodybuilding. I dont see a guy weighing 225 pounds barely benching 405lbs and barely squating 500lbs as representing mr olympia.

Does dexter belong in the company of Arnold, Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, even Jay Cutler.

Does Dexter belong among the company of Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler

jaredmus · 12-23-2008, 04:11 PM

Dexter shows a level of conditioning thats is amazing. And his no fetherweight. I dont think it matters in the ifbb how much you lift as long as you could make the muscle grow. Dex has great abs and a great back double bi. His striations in his shoulders are really amazing. I think he is a 1 time mr olympia but none the less one of the better bodybuilders in the 2000's

bigredelts · 12-23-2008, 04:30 PM

i think you're getting mr. olympia confused with world's strongest man competitions....bob has said it best and it's been quoted 1000 times afterwards....it doesnt matter how much u lift, it matters how much u look like u can lift...the judges dont judge on how much weight a bodybuilder can move, they dont have bench's or squat rack on the stage...no one cares about that during those moments

MesoPeaks · 12-23-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bigredelts

i think you're getting mr. olympia confused with world's strongest man competitions....bob has said it best and it's been quoted 1000 times afterwards....it doesnt matter how much u lift, it matters how much u look like u can lift...the judges dont judge on how much weight a bodybuilder can move, they dont have bench's or squat rack on the stage...no one cares about that during those moments

exactly..

after all, this ain't powerlifting contest.

manfred99 · 12-23-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by darrinallen

I like Dexter as a Arnold classic winner , but I dont see him as a good Mr. Olympia.

The Mr. Olympia has to be the pinnacle of the sport of bodybuilding. I dont see a guy weighing 225 pounds barely benching 405lbs and barely squating 500lbs as representing mr olympia.

Does dexter belong in the company of Arnold, Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, even Jay Cutler.

both haney & cutler did moderate weights with high volume. they stopped doing those poundages early on so ur image of what mr.o should be isnt accurate.
do u consider franco in that group, even tho he was smaller but still did the poundages?

ChadSexton80 · 12-23-2008, 04:56 PM

bodybuilding is not a powerlifting contest.

I agree this will be Dexters one and only mr O. but like what Jay said..."Dexter's a good small bodybuilder." what 5'6 235? pretty astounding.. Best Overall condition, size, symmetry at SOOO many olympias, look at his contest history top 5 a lot..but It's the wow factor that wins most shows.. He's a veteran of the sport, shows true sportmanship, and has done his time, so I think dex is a good holder of current Mr.O.

LevroneFan2002 · 12-23-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by darrinallen

I like Dexter as a Arnold classic winner , but I dont see him as a good Mr. Olympia.

The Mr. Olympia has to be the pinnacle of the sport of bodybuilding. I dont see a guy weighing 225 pounds barely benching 405lbs and barely squating 500lbs as representing mr olympia.

Does dexter belong in the company of Arnold, Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, even Jay Cutler.

Does Dexter belong among the company of Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler

Those poundages are near contest for reps with clean form on a strict diet. I'm sure pros can and often do lift heavy in the off season.

stealth_swimmer · 12-23-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ChadSexton80

bodybuilding is not a powerlifting contest.

I agree this will be Dexters one and only mr O. but like what Jay said..."Dexter's a good small bodybuilder." what 5'6 235? pretty astounding.. Best Overall condition, size, symmetry at SOOO many olympias, look at his contest history top 5 a lot..but It's the wow factor that wins most shows.. He's a veteran of the sport, shows true sportmanship, and has done his time, so I think dex is a good holder of current Mr.O.

x2, but also Dex DOES have the wow-factor. On his frame he packs about as much muscle as is possible. he's brought up his back from being a weak point to having one of the best back double biceps poses in the biz. His most muscular pose is freakish, and he has some of the best proportions and conditioning out there.

And as you said his weight is more like 235. OP said 225...which was true in about 2003 or so. He adds quality muscle slowly instead of trying to add large amounts of weight and ruining his physique. He was 233 at the Arnold Classic this year and about 237 at this year's Olympia, which is pretty jacked on his 5'6'' frame to say the least.

Just look at the bodybuilding criteria and it becomes apparent that Dexter is great example of what a bodybuilder is supposed to look like.

douggiefresh21 · 12-23-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bigredelts

i think you're getting mr. olympia confused with world's strongest man competitions....bob has said it best and it's been quoted 1000 times afterwards....it doesnt matter how much u lift, it matters how much u look like u can lift...the judges dont judge on how much weight a bodybuilder can move, they dont have bench's or squat rack on the stage...no one cares about that during those moments

x2. It doesnt matter what they lift, or how they get there.... its how they look when they are done. I think its even more impressive to see that these guys can get in as good of shape without having lifted rediculous weight. Its not all about how much weight you can put up, how much you can bench, etc... its how you look when your done. They are judged on there physique and conditioning.

ESPforMe · 12-23-2008, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

x2, but also Dex DOES have the wow-factor. On his frame he packs about as much muscle as is possible. he's brought up his back from being a weak point to having one of the best back double biceps poses in the biz. His most muscular pose is freakish, and he has some of the best proportions and conditioning out there.

And as you said his weight is more like 235. OP said 225...which was true in about 2003 or so. He adds quality muscle slowly instead of trying to add large amounts of weight and ruining his physique. He was 233 at the Arnold Classic this year and about 237 at this year's Olympia, which is pretty jacked on his 5'6'' frame to say the least.

Just look at the bodybuilding criteria and it becomes apparent that Dexter is great example of what a bodybuilder is supposed to look like.

I'm with you Stealth.

235lbs on that size frame is enormous. Think about Arnold. He was 6'2"(debatable) at 225-235lbs and he's considered huge.

Dex has great mass while maintaining great aesthetics with a very tight waist line.

lancs_hotpot · 12-23-2008, 06:52 PM

How much a person can lift is nothing to do with who wins Mr Olympia. It has nothing to do with who wins any contest. Contests are judged on appearence. Dexter Jackson looks amazing thats why he is Mr Olympia. Jay Cutler, a man who easily outweighs and out lifts Dex was beat because Dex looked far superior to him on the stage. If a 280lb Bodybuilder can come with the size PLUS conditioning and shape then he deserves to win, otherwise size shouldnt get him very far.

rdouble79 · 12-23-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bigredelts

i think you're getting mr. olympia confused with world's strongest man competitions....bob has said it best and it's been quoted 1000 times afterwards....it doesnt matter how much u lift, it matters how much u look like u can lift...the judges dont judge on how much weight a bodybuilder can move, they dont have bench's or squat rack on the stage...no one cares about that during those moments

Winner Winner chicken dinner!

-SLIX- · 12-23-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by darrinallen

I like Dexter as a Arnold classic winner , but I dont see him as a good Mr. Olympia.

The Mr. Olympia has to be the pinnacle of the sport of bodybuilding. I dont see a guy weighing 225 pounds barely benching 405lbs and barely squating 500lbs as representing mr olympia.

Does dexter belong in the company of Arnold, Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, even Jay Cutler.

Does Dexter belong among the company of Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler

/thread ...5'6 235 lbs shredded.. as big as anyone pound for pound

**LUKEDEICHER** · 12-23-2008, 07:08 PM

His consistency in conditioning and placement in competitions for so many years make him more than qualified as a Mr. O in my opinion.

Its not like he is as small as some past champs, maybe not total mass monster under today's standards, but he has had mass gains and improvements over the years.

Iron Monster · 12-23-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by darrinallen

I like Dexter as a Arnold classic winner , but I dont see him as a good Mr. Olympia.

The Mr. Olympia has to be the pinnacle of the sport of bodybuilding. I dont see a guy weighing 225 pounds barely benching 405lbs and barely squating 500lbs as representing mr olympia.

Does dexter belong in the company of Arnold, Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, even Jay Cutler.

Does Dexter belong among the company of Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler

Lol @ bringing his lifts into the equasion, and Lol @ acting like 400lbs is nothing, especially for a guy his weight.

pumpingiron76 · 12-23-2008, 07:47 PM

It was so great to see a classicly sculpted, aesthetic yet massive bodybuilder like Dexter win the Big O this year. Congratulations to the IFBB for finally doing the right thing and actually penalizing the freaks for showing disproportionate size, lack of symmetry and unnatural muscularity with freakish appearances.

Dexter is the greatest bodybuilder since Lee Haney and deservedly owns his place right up with the real greats like Haney, Arnold, Zane, Franco and Scott.

Looking forward to Dexter Jackson enjoying a long reign as Mr. Olympia, perhaps even break Haney's record and let's hope that the sport of bodybuilding moves back into the right direction with more Dexter Jackson types.

jocktheglide · 12-23-2008, 07:54 PM

stick with power lifting thats your niche...........

Quote:

Originally Posted by darrinallen

I like Dexter as a Arnold classic winner , but I dont see him as a good Mr. Olympia.

The Mr. Olympia has to be the pinnacle of the sport of bodybuilding. I dont see a guy weighing 225 pounds barely benching 405lbs and barely squating 500lbs as representing mr olympia.

Does dexter belong in the company of Arnold, Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, even Jay Cutler.

Does Dexter belong among the company of Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler

stealth_swimmer · 12-23-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ESPforMe

I'm with you Stealth.

235lbs on that size frame is enormous. Think about Arnold. He was 6'2"(debatable) at 225-235lbs and he's considered huge.

Dex has great mass while maintaining great aesthetics with a very tight waist line.

Well Arnold competed at like 245 I think but yeah greed with you.

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Originally Posted by pumpingiron76

It was so great to see a classicly sculpted, aesthetic yet massive bodybuilder like Dexter win the Big O this year. Congratulations to the IFBB for finally doing the right thing and actually penalizing the freaks for showing disproportionate size, lack of symmetry and unnatural muscularity with freakish appearances.

Dexter is the greatest bodybuilder since Lee Haney and deservedly owns his place right up with the real greats like Haney, Arnold, Zane, Franco and Scott.

Looking forward to Dexter Jackson enjoying a long reign as Mr. Olympia, perhaps even break Haney's record and let's hope that the sport of bodybuilding moves back into the right direction with more Dexter Jackson types.

I highly doubt Dexter will have a long reign. Not even Dexter thinks he will. He's already mentioned that he can't keep the younger guys off for long. He's mentioned especially Phil Heath makin the gains he's been makin will pass him up so that's one reason why he trained so hard this year. He felt it was the best chance he's ever had of winning.

Agreed that he does belong up there with the greats though. I been a fan of Dexter for a long time but resigned myself to the mindset that he'd never be allowed to win, but I'm glad I was wrong.

pumpingiron76 · 12-23-2008, 11:47 PM

260 lb Arnold lost to 180 lb Zane in the 1968 IFBB Mr. Universe. Arnold weighed around 240 lbs in 1974 and was usually around 235 except for 1975 and 1980 and pre 1969.

A ripped and aesthetically developed Arnold developed a disproportionate and hulking Sergio Oliva twice in 1970 and again in 1972.

Dexter is very much like Arnold circa 1969-70 only smaller and with better balance.

siersy · 12-24-2008, 12:53 AM

jay was just talking trash....

pull up dexter in offseason at 250 pounds guest poseing....

come back here and try to call him "small"

hes heavier than 99% of people...

for jays height he packs alot less muscle compared to dex.

pumpingiron76 · 12-24-2008, 01:25 AM

Dexter Baby, Dexter!

Nuki · 12-24-2008, 01:56 PM

When Dexter stepped on stage this year I went WOW. He was good at the Arnold but I think he improved for the O. Not sure why people say he doesn't deserve it, next year Heath may beat him, Jay might bounce back, Wolf might put it together, Kai is still a dark horse ftw going into any show including the O, Victor will hopefully come back after his injury... it's a good time to be a fan of bb.

I'm really happy they gave it to Dex, I wouldn't have griped if Heath had won this year too, it was close. Jay got gifted a 2nd place IMO but whatever. What I want to see is the Mr. Os of the future have a tight midsection like Dex did this year. I really dislike the bloated distended guts, felt sorry for Wolf this year, hope his surgery fixes the problem.

FaceThePain · 12-24-2008, 02:45 PM

If we're gonna head into an era where the Mr. Olympia is based on looks, and not mass nonster b.s., I would rather see Levrone, with better lats, hams, and a better back win it.

JamesMUSCLE · 12-24-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by darrinallen

I like Dexter as a Arnold classic winner , but I dont see him as a good Mr. Olympia.

The Mr. Olympia has to be the pinnacle of the sport of bodybuilding. I dont see a guy weighing 225 pounds barely benching 405lbs and barely squating 500lbs as representing mr olympia.

Does dexter belong in the company of Arnold, Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, even Jay Cutler.

Does Dexter belong among the company of Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler

bodybuilding isn't about how much you lift. it's about how you look.

smokinal · 12-24-2008, 04:19 PM

...my thoughts below....

koqie23 · 12-24-2008, 05:06 PM

Dexter won every major show of 2008, this guy gets little to no recognition in the bodybuilding community.

weightmaster98 · 12-24-2008, 05:43 PM

Dexter Jackson looks incredible compared to the rest but is still too massive for my tastes. But...WE have to start somewhere right??

Newbtime · 12-24-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by darrinallen

Does dexter belong in the company of Arnold, Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, even Jay Cutler.

do you REALLY think dexter jackson is weaker then arnold was? lmao, arnold did like 5 rep maxes with 455 on squat.

dexter has more muscle then arnold did and is probably considerably stronger. also there was no one bigger then dexter on stage that deserved the win, do you want the IFBB to create a person just to throw in as a mr olympia default when the next best in line isnt good enough? get real.

Dexter deserved the win, the only person i could see placing ahead of dexter is phil heath, and he isnt much bigger then dexter, if at all.

skinnycalves · 12-24-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by -SLIX-

/thread ...5'6 235 lbs shredded.. as big as anyone pound for pound

what the hell does pound for pound as big as anyone mean?

does a pound on jay cutler weigh less than a pound on ronnie coleman?

a pound is a ****ing pound retard, it would make sense if you said pound for pound the strongest bodybuilder, but pound for pound the biggest does not make any sene, you sound like a tool

DK777 · 12-24-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by darrinallen

I like Dexter as a Arnold classic winner , but I dont see him as a good Mr. Olympia.

The Mr. Olympia has to be the pinnacle of the sport of bodybuilding. I dont see a guy weighing 225 pounds barely benching 405lbs and barely squating 500lbs as representing mr olympia.

Does dexter belong in the company of Arnold, Haney, Ronnie, Dorian, even Jay Cutler.

Does Dexter belong among the company of Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler

Unless you look better that Dex, I dont see how you can diss his physique and say he's "not heavy enough". Who cares how heavy he is, the dude has one of the best, balanced physiques in the game. Full muscle bellies and a tight waist. What do you honestly expect out of a Mr. olympia?