high fructose corn syrup

[Cable Curling CincoUno]

Originally Posted by papasmith

yes i did, and i definitely agree with the whole e-ego thing. and my wife wonders where my daughter gets her attitude from. hehe.



this will be boarderline bro cuz its from wikipedia but:

Most common types of High-fructose corn syrup are: HFCS 90 (mostly for making HFCS 55), approximately 90% fructose and 10% glucose; HFCS 55 (mostly used in soft drinks), approximately 55% fructose and 45% glucose; and HFCS 42 (used in most foods and baked goods), approximately 42% fructose and 58% glucose.

so 2 of the 3 types used are more fructose than glucose. and neither have good old plain @$$ sucrose. heck not even a smidgen of dextrose. ok i am done.

I can see being concerned about HFCS 90 but as it says it is mainly used from HFCS 55 which 55-45 really isn't that big of a gap. The other arguement is that how often would you eat HFCS by itself? In the context of a meal I doubt it will cause enough of an imbalance.

[Clarko]

thanks for the article elliptical. I still have alot to learn and did not understand a bunch of the things in there, but I came to the conclusion that it basically says that hfcs and table sugar are no different. Similar to the usa today article. Here's a quote that interests me

In a notable current study from 2007, Melanson et al
(30) compared the effects ofHFCSand sucrose at30%of calories
in 2 randomized 2-d visits in normal-weight women. Concluding
that there is nothing uniquely quantifiable about HFCS, they
reported no significant difference between the 2 sweeteners in
fasting plasma glucose, insulin, leptin, or ghrelin or in energy or
micronutrient intake.

[papasmith]

Originally Posted by Cable Curling CincoUno

correlation is not causation. There is also tons of data saying that time spent on computers, watching television, eating mcdonalds is rising with obesity. All of these are confounded by the fact they help create an imbalance in the calorie in vs calorie out equation. It's easier to get fat now, it's not magical ingredients.

you know this quote pretty much ends this discussion. i am not saying that hfcs is what has made people fat. not by a long shot. imo its pure LAZIENESS and it really is sad. people like to blame genetics and put the blame on their parents but if that where the case, if most fat people where fat because of genetics then there wouldn?t be an entire section of this website devoted to transformations now would there.

[TheSovereign]

Originally Posted by papasmith

you know this quote pretty much ends this discussion. i am not saying that hfcs is what has made people fat. not by a long shot. imo its pure LAZIENESS and it really is sad. people like to blame genetics and put the blame on their parents but if that where the case, if most fat people where fat because of genetics then there wouldn?t be an entire section of this website devoted to transformations now would there.

correlation is not causation. you could correlate any high sugar, or high fat, or high carb, or high anything food with obesity. WHY? because it is HIGH, anything in access will correlate in weight gain. BUT the root cause is that you are consuming more calories than you burn ... so you gain weight... sometimes fat. Things like soft drinks tend to be loaded w/ HFCS... objectively, they are high in calories and aren't a very substantial source of nutrients. You just pounded 200 cal in that soda pop and hav nothing to show for it. 200 cal/day extra adds up.

[papasmith]

Originally Posted by TheSovereign

correlation is not causation. you could correlate any high sure, or high fat, or high carb, or high anything food with obesity. WHY? because it is HIGH, anything in access will correlate in weight gain. BUT the root cause is that you are consuming more calories than you burn ... so you gain weight... sometimes fat. Things like soft drinks tend to be loaded w/ HFCS... objectively, they are high in calories and aren't a very substantial source of nutrients. You just pounded 200 cal in that soda pop and hav nothing to show for it. 200 cal/day extra adds up.

Not arguing. And how many people that you know who drink regular soda actually only have one per day. Try at least two more than likely 3.

[Elliptical Envy]

Originally Posted by Clarko

thanks for the article elliptical. I still have alot to learn and did not understand a bunch of the things in there, but I came to the conclusion that it basically says that hfcs and table sugar are no different. Similar to the usa today article. Here's a quote that interests me

In a notable current study from 2007, Melanson et al
(30) compared the effects ofHFCSand sucrose at30%of calories
in 2 randomized 2-d visits in normal-weight women. Concluding
that there is nothing uniquely quantifiable about HFCS, they
reported no significant difference between the 2 sweeteners in
fasting plasma glucose, insulin, leptin, or ghrelin or in energy or
micronutrient intake.

You're welcome.

[GeneGnomeX]

Originally Posted by neuron

Fructose enters into glycolysis quite easily, and therefore can be used as energy (TCA cycle) or metabolized into other things (a.a.'s exc).

A professor of mine recently commented on a study by an acquaintance that hasn't been published yet, that radio labeled fructose and watched where it went much closer than previous research has done. Apparently it pretty strictly follows F-1-P to DHAP and TG synthesis.

[coolbreeze]

Mercola is big on the dangers of HFCS for many reasons (obesity, elevated triglycerides, depletion of magnese):

"The consumption of high fructose corn syrup not only exacerbates the obesity epidemic, it also harms organs like your liver and pancreas, leading to bone loss, anemia and heart problems, just to name a few."
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...sed-foods.aspx

[Elliptical Envy]

LOL @ that article.

[neuron]

Originally Posted by GeneGnomeX

A professor of mine recently commented on a study by an acquaintance that hasn't been published yet, that radio labeled fructose and watched where it went much closer than previous research has done. Apparently it pretty strictly follows F-1-P to DHAP and TG synthesis.

Very interesting. I thought fructose had to be diphosphorylated (1,6) to produce DHAP.

[Phosphate bond]

Empty calories are empty calories.

Whether the empty calories are from refined table sugar of HFCS shouldn't really matter right?

As long as the diet doesn't become deficient in micronutrients needed to efficiently make ATP then I wouldn't worry about this. (Simple example is Magnesium is needed to chelate and store ATP).

[FORtheCURE]

Originally Posted by coolbreeze

Mercola is big on the dangers of HFCS for many reasons (obesity, elevated triglycerides, depletion of magnese):

"The consumption of high fructose corn syrup not only exacerbates the obesity epidemic, it also harms organs like your liver and pancreas, leading to bone loss, anemia and heart problems, just to name a few."
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...sed-foods.aspx

Mercola is a subjective minded tool. He lacks objectivity and routinely practices the dogma he condemns from orthodox medicine. He either lacks the intelligence, insight or motivation to be rational.

[Cable Curling CincoUno]

Originally Posted by Phosphate bond

Empty calories are empty calories.

Whether the empty calories are from refined table sugar of HFCS shouldn't really matter right?

As long as the diet doesn't become deficient in micronutrients needed to efficiently make ATP then I wouldn't worry about this. (Simple example is Magnesium is needed to chelate and store ATP).

I was wondering where that original post went. I don't think any of us are arguing for a diet where all carbohydrates are coming from HCFS. More arguing against people freaking the **** out when their protein powder contains 1g of HFCS per scoop(ha come to think of it I think I once wrote a review chastising a company for this very practice).

[Cable Curling CincoUno]

Originally Posted by coolbreeze

Mercola is big on the dangers of HFCS for many reasons (obesity, elevated triglycerides, depletion of magnese):

"The consumption of high fructose corn syrup not only exacerbates the obesity epidemic, it also harms organs like your liver and pancreas, leading to bone loss, anemia and heart problems, just to name a few."
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...sed-foods.aspx

am i the only one who needs to enter my e-mail address before reading the article? mhm **** that.

[Elliptical Envy]

Originally Posted by Cable Curling CincoUno

am i the only one who needs to enter my e-mail address before reading the article? mhm **** that.

I clicked the link.....then I realized it was from Mercola....I laughed and hit the x in the upper right

[dirkwright]

Originally Posted by neuron

The government?

It's not the government, it's government acting on behalf of the big corporations. So, it is the government, but in a different sense. This stuff goes on all the time. I'm shocked at all the junk science paid for by corporations to show that their product is safe, or what ever. It's been going on since WWII, at least.

[dirkwright]

OK, here's an article on corn as an endocrine disruptor:

A Novel Endocrine-Disrupting Agent in Corn with Mitogenic Activity in Human Breast and Prostatic Cancer Cells

"Housing adult rats on ground corncob bedding impedes male and female mating behavior and causes acyclicity in females. The suppressive effects on ovarian cyclicity are mimicked by a mitogenic agent purified from the ground corncob bedding material (corn mitogen ; CM) , which stimulates the proliferation of estrogen receptor (ER) -positive (MCF-7 cells) and ER-negative (MDA-MD-231 cells) breast cancer cells. Purified CM does not compete for [3H]estradiol binding to ER or nuclear type II sites, and its effects on MCF-7 breast cancer cell proliferation are not blocked by the antiestrogen ICI-182,780. These results suggest that the active component is unlikely to be a phytoestrogen, bioflavonoid, mycotoxin, or other known endocrine-disrupting agent that modifies cell growth via ER or type II [3H]estradiol binding sites. CM also stimulates the proliferation of PC-3 human prostatic cancer cells in vitro, and the growth rate of PC-3 cell xenografts is accelerated in nude male mice housed on ground corncob as opposed to pure cellulose bedding. Consequently, this endocrine-disrupting agent in ground corncob bedding may influence behavioral and physiologic reproductive response profiles and malignant cell proliferation in experimental animals. Fresh corn (kernels and cob) or corn tortillas also contain CM, indicating that human exposure is likely ; consequently, CM and/or related mitogens in corn products may influence human health and development. Key words: breast cancer, corncob bedding, corn mitogen, endocrine disruptor, estrogen receptor. Environ Health Perspect 110:169-177 (2002) . [Online 17 January 2002] "

http://www.ehponline.org/members/200...rich-full.html


I wonder if HFCS has CM in it, making HFCS an endocrine disruptor? That would explain why it makes people fat, I think.

[TheWaffleIron]

Originally Posted by C-Squared

This is the government trying to persuade the people to accept their regulated substance that puts profits over health... a synthetic pseudo-sugar has no place in a healthy diet!

What is a "pseudo-sugar?"

Originally Posted by papasmith

hfcs is "bad" because it does not induce an insulin response in your body. therefore it is not metabolized as other insulin triggering carbs. because it is not being metabolized your body stores it as excess calories. and where does your body store excess calories? FAT.

No.

Unless consumed a caloric excess, HFCS will not be stored as fat.

Originally Posted by coolbreeze

Mercola is big on the dangers of HFCS for many reasons (obesity, elevated triglycerides, depletion of magnese):

"The consumption of high fructose corn syrup not only exacerbates the obesity epidemic, it also harms organs like your liver and pancreas, leading to bone loss, anemia and heart problems, just to name a few."
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...sed-foods.aspx

Ok.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=15

[nostrildomus]

I ate 15 half gallons of breyer's ice cream in 5 days last week...

yawn

[nostrildomus]

did you guys try "exercise" yet?

I hear it can counter the propensity of hfcs to be stored as fat...

I'm not sold yet...

I want to see some studies that prove that me

[C-Squared]

Originally Posted by neuron

The government?

The FDA is the government, killer.

Originally Posted by TheWaffleIron

What is a "pseudo-sugar?"

haha, a sugar substitute

Originally Posted by Elliptical Envy

This **** is overexaggerated. HFCS isn't going to make you magically obese just like sucrose won't make you magically obese. "Mah breads contains teh HFCS so I can't eat it becuase I eat supa cleen"

All other aspects of a diet equal, a diet without it > a diet WITH it... besides, a BREAD with HFCS likely has other issues because that's not in there AT ALL without other processing techniques that rob it of nutrients.

[kevin_titus]

Take a look around yourself when you are out in teh general public...

Fatasses EVERYWHERE....

WHY?...

Maybe the HFCS that is in EVERYTHING has something to do with it.

Those companies use it to save a buck. They could give a rats ass about your health.

They just did a study and found that products that list HFCS as the top 3 ingredients contained MERCURY. Google it and you will find the study...

As for bread. Learn to make your own. It is easier than you think and is far superior to the 6$ loaf at the store.

They want a stupid, lazy, fatass nation so they can have their way with us....

[dirkwright]

Originally Posted by Cable Curling CincoUno

correlation is not causation. There is also tons of data saying that time spent on computers, watching television, eating mcdonalds is rising with obesity. All of these are confounded by the fact they help create an imbalance in the calorie in vs calorie out equation. It's easier to get fat now, it's not magical ingredients.

I agree, but would add that we work longer hours now than 20 or 30 years ago. Most of that work is spent sitting down looking at computers or sitting behind a desk. We also drive further than in the past, which is another sitting activity.

[dirkwright]

Originally Posted by kevin_titus

They just did a study and found that products that list HFCS as the top 3 ingredients contained MERCURY. Google it and you will find the study...

As for bread. Learn to make your own. It is easier than you think and is far superior to the 6$ loaf at the store.

They want a stupid, lazy, fatass nation so they can have their way with us....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012601831.html

I don't eat bread, but I hear you.

I was surprised to read that article. Thanks for the tip!

[PanzeR-]

Originally Posted by kevin_titus

Take a look around yourself when you are out in teh general public...

Fatasses EVERYWHERE....

WHY?...

Maybe the HFCS that is in EVERYTHING has something to do with it.

So you are saying that if "they" would replace HFCS by another high carbs sweetener, the world would be a better place?

I see water commonly listed as an ingredient, maybe we should start blaming it!

[ElvisC]

meh personally i stay away from HFCS since it makes me incredibly wired and then i crash hardcore.

I'll stick with my Stevia or Honey to sweeten stuff

[BBMechanics]

In the end - nothing can taste good without having SOME KIND of negative effect

[kevin_titus]

Originally Posted by PanzeR-

So you are saying that if "they" would replace HFCS by another high carbs sweetener, the world would be a better place?

I see water commonly listed as an ingredient, maybe we should start blaming it!

I'm just saying, 50+ years ago before HFCS and Aspartame were on the market, you didn't have the levels of obesity and diabetes. It could also be attributed to GM hybrids that our bodies actually metabolize into proteins not normally synthesized from organic produce. You can thank MONSANTO. They are the main lobby for having this trash in our food supply.

But hey, if you want to bury your head in the sand, go pop open a NesTea and get some HFCS and Aspartame....

I'll stick with raw cane sugar and agave nectar...maybe some stevia.

[dirkwright]

Originally Posted by kevin_titus

I'm just saying, 50+ years ago before HFCS and Aspartame were on the market, you didn't have the levels of obesity and diabetes. It could also be attributed to GM hybrids that our bodies actually metabolize into proteins not normally synthesized from organic produce. You can thank MONSANTO. They are the main lobby for having this trash in our food supply.

But hey, if you want to bury your head in the sand, go pop open a NesTea and get some HFCS and Aspartame....

I'll stick with raw cane sugar and agave nectar...maybe some stevia.

I believe now that the epidemic of obesity is due to phthalates, which is in plastics and other products. A new study came out recently linking obesity with phthalates in children. They don't know why yet.

[kevin_titus]

Originally Posted by dirkwright

I believe now that the epidemic of obesity is due to phthalates, which is in plastics and other products. A new study came out recently linking obesity with phthalates in children. They don't know why yet.

I have read that microwaving and heating the plastics releases dioxins into the food, and then it can have estrogenic properites...

I have cut the microwave and the plastics out of my food prep routines, and have noticed an increase in over all health and well being.