48 hours vid on Craig Titus, Kelly Ryan murder (vid)

[Shardanomspa]

so is Craig Titus still at Clark County Det Center? I remember doing an inmate search last year and got his name but now its no longer on there

[qweasd]

what thier friend megan who visited them shortly after the killing tells everything .

you can get the impression that criag and kelly were careless about the death of melissa and even made fun of it .
everyone should rewatch the part of that important witness and then judge .

[Lowerthefever]

What a pair of dumbasses. I can't believe they deluded themselves into thinking that they could actually get away with it. What kind of mindset were these two in?

[myosinner]

Im glad this thread got some debate going and made a few people think... It definately made me look at it from a different perspective

[siersy]

Originally Posted by myosinner

Im glad this thread got some debate going and made a few people think... It definately made me look at it from a different perspective

what is your current perspective

[YoungGunner24s]

Originally Posted by qweasd

what thier friend megan who visited them shortly after the killing tells everything .

you can get the impression that criag and kelly were careless about the death of melissa and even made fun of it .
everyone should rewatch the part of that important witness and then judge .

When your high on hard drugs, you tend not to care about anything.

Ever heard of psychosis? Look it up, it happens to every coke/meth user.

[FullROM]

[QUOTE=Doctor Zoidberg;247081361]ROFL no it doesn't. It was a jury who found him guilty. A judge is allowed to comment on disgraced convicted felons, even if the comments are somewhat disparaging.

Remember its the jury who find him guily BUT its the jusge who determines the sentance. The judge showed ablsolute bias, and was very unprofessional (child like). I really hope Titus goes to trial and they can use a straight shooting judge and secure a manslaughter conviction.

[FullROM]

Originally Posted by Iron Monster

Yeah your right im dumb because I dont buy the defense that "The drugs made me do it." How many friggin years was he on the drugs? Did he strangle a woman every day for all those years? Or did it just happen once? And I would think murder would be a quick sobering experence. Or maybe not, maybe he was high the whole time, he had a buzz that lasted all the way until he shopped for **** to burn the car with, drive out, put the body in the trunk and set it on fire. All while being in such a ****ed up drug induced psychotic state of mind that he was able to kill a human being without knowing what he wsa doing.

You do not appear to have any experience of criminal law or the legal system, no disrespect meant.

[CALLofDUTY]

Originally Posted by FullROM

The judge showed ablsolute bias, and was very unprofessional (child like). I really hope Titus goes to trial and they can use a straight shooting judge and secure a manslaughter conviction.

That may be your opinion and a few other IFBB forum posters (Craig nuthuggers?), but the majority of people will see different. I for one saw no 'absolute bias' in any way or form expressed by the judge. She said the truth; once upon a time Titus was king muscle but now he is a loser fa%got. The sentencing procedure is supposed to punish and deter and that is why he received the sentence that he did. He should consider himself lucky he doesn't live in a country where they drag you onto a field then shoot you like an animal.

In other words while he may appeal the sentence I do not see 'bias' as being a good enough reason for allowing a retrial.

[jaxdaddy44]

I dont even know why they are charging Craig.. its obviously all the drugs fault.. they should let him free and arrest the drugs for murder.. Am i the only one who see's that this bodybuilder is innocent!?!

































LOL you guys crack me the **** up

[qweasd]

Originally Posted by YoungGunner24s

When your high on hard drugs, you tend not to care about anything.

Ever heard of psychosis? Look it up, it happens to every coke/meth user.

you must know that there are signs of psycosis , the police investigator and thier friend didnt mention that , plus they had the nerve to use the credit card issue and lying on the police .
you can say that they put the victim's body in thier own car and burn it with a material bought by thier credit card . you call it psycosis and i call it stupidity .
did you ever noticed criag's face when he was in the court after kelly cried . we was 100 % acting , nobody can deny this .

[myosinner]

Originally Posted by siersy

what is your current perspective

I just have a bit more of an understanding of how his thought process came into play. I dont think he meant to kill her, but I do thing he deserves what he got... Whether the judge was biased or not...

Had he called and admitted to accidentally killing her in a drug induced panic then I would have a different opinion ( though I dont think the drygs are a valid excuse)... He would have got a relative slap on the wrist and on with his life...

But the cavalier way he went about disposing of the body and then nonchalantly joking about how he had killed her and how he had seen someone die by stungun... He doesnt feel bad abouit doing it... All that gigl was to him was a ****doll..

And as far as his wife goes... She was just as complicit as he was... Whether she wants to play the victim or not... That WAS her buying the lighter fluid...

[myosinner]

bump for those who havent seen

[siersy]

Originally Posted by myosinner

I just have a bit more of an understanding of how his thought process came into play. I dont think he meant to kill her, but I do thing he deserves what he got... Whether the judge was biased or not...

Had he called and admitted to accidentally killing her in a drug induced panic then I would have a different opinion ( though I dont think the drygs are a valid excuse)... He would have got a relative slap on the wrist and on with his life...

But the cavalier way he went about disposing of the body and then nonchalantly joking about how he had killed her and how he had seen someone die by stungun... He doesnt feel bad abouit doing it... All that gigl was to him was a ****doll..

And as far as his wife goes... She was just as complicit as he was... Whether she wants to play the victim or not... That WAS her buying the lighter fluid...

yep i pretty much feel the same way

[myosinner]

Nice man I hope this makes a few of the more hardcore drug users in the industry take a steo back and rethink things

[FullROM]

Originally Posted by myosinner

Nice man I hope this makes a few of the more hardcore drug users in the industry take a steo back and rethink things

Its not the users, they are the small fish at the bottom of the ladder. Its the governements and dealers we should be hating.

[testman]

Originally Posted by YoungGunner24s

You obviously dont know any coke users. They freak out, and never want to deal with any police, and thats an understatement.

They constantly think people are stealing from them, trying to rip them off, that people are plotting against them, and that the only people they can trust is themselves. These effects last their ENTIRE lifetime, its permanent.

Its unfortunate that in their drug-induced haze, they decided to try to cover up the situation instead of report it to police.

Had Craig called the police after it happened, he could have plead to manslaughter. I have no doubt. Instead he acted like a cocaine cowboy and tried to take care of it himself, squandering his whole life in the process.

So because someone does illegal drugs and can't handle those drugs and flip out it's the fault of the drugs and not the person taking the drugs? You're sound like you are defending coke users and you are, read your post carefully. It sounds like you were or are using coke and other illegal narcotics yourself and experienced some bad things and now want to put yourself in Craig's shoes to sympathise with him. And we forget about the innocent victim who was killed.

[testman]

Originally Posted by Doctor Zoidberg

That may be your opinion and a few other IFBB forum posters (Craig nuthuggers?), but the majority of people will see different. I for one saw no 'absolute bias' in any way or form expressed by the judge. She said the truth; once upon a time Titus was king muscle but now he is a loser fa%got. The sentencing procedure is supposed to punish and deter and that is why he received the sentence that he did. He should consider himself lucky he doesn't live in a country where they drag you onto a field then shoot you like an animal.

In other words while he may appeal the sentence I do not see 'bias' as being a good enough reason for allowing a retrial.

Bias? There was no bias. Would you have liked if the judge felt sympathy for the murderer and went over and gave Craig and Kelly a tissue? The judge is there to protect society and put the guilty behind bars, not issue 10 second chances and sympathise with criminals.

In my home state of Massachusetts our courts are loaded with liberal activist judges who are for leniency and give probation to admitted pedophiles who when put back out onto the streets continue to rape and molest more children and one judge gave two guys only 4 months in prison after shooting up a court house and those 2 guys were out of jail 3 months before that shooting.

What's with people defending Craig Titus and blaming the drug? First of all no one put a gun to Craig's head and forced him to take any drug and he did voluntarily and Craig also has been a complete ******* from day one, he was in prison back in the late 1990's and he brought down Kelly Ryan who was successful and had a bright future before she started hanging out with the "bad boy" which so many smart educated women like the whole "bad boy" loser types which bring them down. Even King Kamali placed higher than Titus most times they competed against each other. He was an idiot, a dumb meat head and sad to say too many guys in gyms are like that, just *******s who aren't educated properly. He said the reason why he got into bodybuilding was to "make money" and mocked the idea of thinking that bodybuilding was a way to get big and look good, live a healthier lifestyle, improve yourself. He was a scumbag.

After Titus went to jail, he gave a short interview to someone in the bodybuilding community and was threatening to snitch out the IFBB and other bodybuilders and ruin the lives of many of the pro's we admire and respect and open up some sort of hornet's nest with all these "gay for pay" rumors in the pro bodybuilding world. Most the other pro's avoided him, they knew he was trouble and the only thing he could do right in bodybuilding was he and his wife would throw a big party after a bodybuilding show, that's about it.

[testman]

Originally Posted by YoungGunner24s

You have a low opinion of humanity then, if you think Craig and Kelly intended to kill her. It was obviously a drug-induced conflict that spiraled out of control, with weapons involved.

Temporary insanity and manslaughter. Case closed. Murder 2? Laughable, even the biggest enemies of Craig in the industry don't think he should have plead to Murder 2.

This case really frustrates me, and I hope Craig gets a successful appeal, even if its for a sentence reduction.

Well can you prove it? Were you there in their home doing this? You're the one who made the claim that is wasn't murder, so the burden of proof is on your shoulders to back up your claim.

Murder is murder and when the police show up at their home as the police said: "There were no bruises or any wounds on Kelly."

Who are the witnesses to defend Craig and Kelly? Where are they? Well Kelly's friend in the closet is a witness against Kelly and Craig. Only reason why Craig and Kelly aren't in jail for life is because of the silly laws in the U.S. like what the medical examiner said. You can kill someone, wrap their entire head in duck tape, burn the body and the over intellectualizing of it isn't called murder in the U.S., they call it "manslaughter."

Let's say for a second it was "manslaughter" by our stupid laws and definition of it and people who think Craig should get out sooner because they think it's 'manslaughter" well I wouldn't want to see any of your reactions if you're in a court of law and the man or woman who was drunk driving or high on drugs behind the wheel of a car killed someone in your family and the judge gave them a pathetic weak short sentence while you're in the court room sobbing made to look like a fool.

I have an uncle who is in homicide for the Boston police department and he's said it's a classic tale of jealousy, rage and murder. People who are innocent and made a mistake are not meticulous in trying to covering up a crime scene, do not vacuum up evidence, do not duck tape an entire corpse's head put it in a car and light the car up on fire to burn the evidence, flee across country and try to get a ticket to Greece where there are no extradition laws. Why did they pick Greece to go out of all the other countries in the world? Why not just drive across the border to Mexico and keep going south? Because Mexico and the U.S. have close ties with law enforcement and Kelly and Craig knew they would be found and shipped back, but not in Greece.

When I see people who sympathise and defend Craig Titus, it was like the black comunity during the OJ trial who defended OJ not because they thought he was innocent, but because of their racial bias and wanting to thumb their nose at the criminal justice system they hate so much and selfishily ignoring, forgetting or not caring about the innocent victims who lost their lives by selfish cowardly murderers.

Even if Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan get out soon they're lives are over anyways, they won't be even allowed to get back on stage anywhere, the audience, crowd, fans of bodybuilding wouldn't even let it happen. They'll have to walk around just like OJ Simpson does, everyoen staring at them, spitting in their food if they go into any restaurant, the taunts, they'll have to move out of the country to a place where no one even knows them. If Kelly or Craig ever thought about entering back into the sport and tried making a comeback then most likely som vigilante would off them some where.

[testman]

Originally Posted by FullROM

Its not the users, they are the small fish at the bottom of the ladder. Its the governements and dealers we should be hating.

Well Craig Titus was a dealer, supplier, distributor of steroids and didn't have a medical license to do so either as Vince Neil of Motley Crue and many others have said about Craig injecting many people.

[jaxdaddy44]

Originally Posted by testman

Well can you prove it? Were you there in their home doing this? You're the one who made the claim that is wasn't murder, so the burden of proof is on your shoulders to back up your claim.

Murder is murder and when the police show up at their home as the police said: "There were no bruises or any wounds on Kelly."

Who are the witnesses to defend Craig and Kelly? Where are they? Well Kelly's friend in the closet is a witness against Kelly and Craig. Only reason why Craig and Kelly aren't in jail for life is because of the silly laws in the U.S. like what the medical examiner said. You can kill someone, wrap their entire head in duck tape, burn the body and the over intellectualizing of it isn't called murder in the U.S., they call it "manslaughter."

Let's say for a second it was "manslaughter" by our stupid laws and definition of it and people who think Craig should get out sooner because they think it's 'manslaughter" well I wouldn't want to see any of your reactions if you're in a court of law and the man or woman who was drunk driving or high on drugs behind the wheel of a car killed someone in your family and the judge gave them a pathetic weak short sentence while you're in the court room sobbing made to look like a fool.

I have an uncle who is in homicide for the Boston police department and he's said it's a classic tale of jealousy, rage and murder. People who are innocent and made a mistake are not meticulous in trying to covering up a crime scene, do not vacuum up evidence, do not duck tape an entire corpse's head put it in a car and light the car up on fire to burn the evidence, flee across country and try to get a ticket to Greece where there are no extradition laws. Why did they pick Greece to go out of all the other countries in the world? Why not just drive across the border to Mexico and keep going south? Because Mexico and the U.S. have close ties with law enforcement and Kelly and Craig knew they would be found and shipped back, but not in Greece.

When I see people who sympathise and defend Craig Titus, it was like the black comunity during the OJ trial who defended OJ not because they thought he was innocent, but because of their racial bias and wanting to thumb their nose at the criminal justice system they hate so much and selfishily ignoring, forgetting or not caring about the innocent victims who lost their lives by selfish cowardly murderers.

Even if Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan get out soon they're lives are over anyways, they won't be even allowed to get back on stage anywhere, the audience, crowd, fans of bodybuilding wouldn't even let it happen. They'll have to walk around just like OJ Simpson does, everyoen staring at them, spitting in their food if they go into any restaurant, the taunts, they'll have to move out of the country to a place where no one even knows them. If Kelly or Craig ever thought about entering back into the sport and tried making a comeback then most likely som vigilante would off them some where.

"When I see people who sympathise and defend Craig Titus, it was like the black comunity during the OJ trial who defended OJ not because they thought he was innocent, but because of their racial bias and wanting to thumb their nose at the criminal justice system they hate so much and selfishily ignoring, forgetting or not caring about the innocent victims who lost their lives by selfish cowardly murderers."

Oh snap! ok... i agree with most of your post up unitl this point.. yea, we did back OJ and for good reason.. Why shouldnt we? especially in the south where we have seen it the other way for years.. add to the fact that that racist ass cop tampered with evidence and all that ****.. how do expect people to react?? That bitch wasnt innocent either..


"I wouldn't say i would have killed her.......but i understand...picture yo broad in yo car with another man.. you given yo diesel and she blowin a hundred grand.. gone shoppin..call Cochran..tell Kato to take the stand"

[testman]

Originally Posted by jaxdaddy44

"When I see people who sympathise and defend Craig Titus, it was like the black comunity during the OJ trial who defended OJ not because they thought he was innocent, but because of their racial bias and wanting to thumb their nose at the criminal justice system they hate so much and selfishily ignoring, forgetting or not caring about the innocent victims who lost their lives by selfish cowardly murderers."

Oh snap! ok... i agree with most of your post up unitl this point.. yea, we did back OJ and for good reason.. Why shouldnt we? especially in the south where we have seen it the other way for years.. add to the fact that that racist ass cop tampered with evidence and all that ****.. how do expect people to react?? That bitch wasnt innocent either..


"I wouldn't say i would have killed her.......but i understand...picture yo broad in yo car with another man.. you given yo diesel and she blowin a hundred grand.. gone shoppin..call Cochran..tell Kato to take the stand"

No cop tampered with any evidence in the OJ trial, that was a clever way for the defense team lead by that con artist scumbag Johnny Cochran to attack the source and attack the accuser. Now OJ is going to jail for a long time, he'll be taking it up the ass with Titus, Michael Vick, Plaxico Burress.

What happened in a country's past, doesn't give anyone the right to act bad today. That's such a juvenile delinquent way to think you can commit crime today because of what happened to other people many years ago. Grow up, two wrongs don't make a right.

Now let's get back to Titus and Ryan, if our criminal justice system was more accurate and specific without over intellectualizing common sense then Titus and Ryan would be in jail for atleast 35 years to life.

[jaxdaddy44]

Originally Posted by testman

No cop tampered with any evidence in the OJ trial, that was a clever way for the defense team lead by that con artist scumbag Johnny Cochran to attack the source and attack the accuser. Now OJ is going to jail for a long time, he'll be taking it up the ass with Titus, Michael Vick, Plaxico Burress.

What happened in a country's past, doesn't give anyone the right to act bad today. That's such a juvenile delinquent way to think you can commit crime today because of what happened to other people many years ago. Grow up, two wrongs don't make a right.

Now let's get back to Titus and Ryan, if our criminal justice system was more accurate and specific without over intellectualizing common sense then Titus and Ryan would be in jail for atleast 35 years to life.

LOL.. ok, ima let go

[myosinner]

Originally Posted by FullROM

Its not the users, they are the small fish at the bottom of the ladder. Its the governements and dealers we should be hating.

Its not a drug users fault that they use drugs? News to me..

[FlTNESSGURU]

Originally Posted by xplicid01

personally, I think craig and kelly are totally guilty of murder and deserve everything they got (not opposed to death penelty, save tax dollars). But it bothered me how at the end of the last clip the judge totally let her emotions get involved with the case. Calling Crag out like that was pretty unprofessional.

Do ur job. Sentence the guy and get on with it. No one really cares how little miss powertrip personally feels.

Neone else find that to be uncalled for, unprofessional and almost offending as a bber when she belittled the accused?

Oh yeah man, that judge is a scumbag. Sitting on her safe bench flapping off at the mouth. Making the "muscle" crack to Craig. She knows nothing about the art of mastering a skill in the real world. An unprofessional whore to the government is all she is, period.

[myosinner]

Bump for those unaware

[Pro Tom Prince]

I say we let Craig revel in his current glory.

[myosinner]

^ good point.

[Gosu]

Originally Posted by xplicid01

personally, I think craig and kelly are totally guilty of murder and deserve everything they got (not opposed to death penelty, save tax dollars). But it bothered me how at the end of the last clip the judge totally let her emotions get involved with the case. Calling Crag out like that was pretty unprofessional.

Do ur job. Sentence the guy and get on with it. No one really cares how little miss powertrip personally feels.

Neone else find that to be uncalled for, unprofessional and almost offending as a bber when she belittled the accused?

i agree, i was like : "stfu bitch"

[Pro Bob Chick]

Originally Posted by pro tom prince

i say we let craig revel in his current glory.

lol