Do fat burners work?

[Marius_Ursus]

Originally Posted by jtroster

I have tried a few. I found that remembering to take them also reminded me not to over-eat. So they are probably no better than a placebo.

QFT

After reading objective reviews for probably every product on the market over the last five years, even if they did work, the difference is only a couple of pounds over a 12-week period.

Not worth the money in my opinion.

[Schnitter]

only thing that works and is easy to get is EC stack. I would not buy anything else.

[sluge]

I Believe They Assist With Burning Fat, But In All Honesty, Abs Are Made In The Kitchen And There Is Not A Substitute.

[shuriwud]

Originally Posted by Marius_Ursus

QFT

Thought we had a thread jack for a second. Note to self....QFT on this board does not equal Quantum Field Theory. /sigh

Other than that, keep going, I'm liking the discussion here.

[DGM]

at would dose for each of the eca would be suggested and would red panax ginseng extract work

[BigAl71]

Thanks guys for all the posts... My 6 meal diet is actually quite healthy.. I eat a full hearty healthy breakfast workout in the early morning then eat 3 sandwiches 2 fruits during the day and try to have an early dinner.

I am currently in the phase of bulking. What is better to do lose the gut or bulk up first....

[THROW?]

I would loose the gut first. The older you get, the harder it is to loose fat.
Plus, anyone looks better at 10% bodyfat than 20%.

Also, on the food, make sure that you are getting some protein in each of those meals. You will want around 25-30 grams protein minimum with each meal. Also, make sure you try to vary your diet. Mabye one sandwich chicken, one turkey, and one ham or something. I personally mix them in each sandwich to make sure I get all my micronutrients.

As far as fat burning goes, since you workout first thing in the morning, do low intensity cardio BEFORE you eat! It sucks, but you are in prime fat burning mode hormonally when you wake up.

Sounds like you are on the right track. Good Luck!

[DeathtoToasters]

Originally Posted by Schnitter

only thing that works and is easy to get is EC stack. I would not buy anything else.

Is that a certain product?

[sdnatural]

Originally Posted by THROW?

I would loose the gut first. The older you get, the harder it is to loose fat.
Plus, anyone looks better at 10% bodyfat than 20%.

Also, on the food, make sure that you are getting some protein in each of those meals. You will want around 25-30 grams protein minimum with each meal. Also, make sure you try to vary your diet. Mabye one sandwich chicken, one turkey, and one ham or something. I personally mix them in each sandwich to make sure I get all my micronutrients.

As far as fat burning goes, since you workout first thing in the morning, do low intensity cardio BEFORE you eat! It sucks, but you are in prime fat burning mode hormonally when you wake up.

Sounds like you are on the right track. Good Luck!

First, "lose" is spelled with only 1 "o." Second, muscles naturally atrophy as we age. It's this reason that makes it more difficult to lose weight as we age...there's less lean mass to burn calories naturally. I would suggest bulking up first, but bulking up with actual lean mass...not fat. The more lean mass acquired, the more effective you are in slowing down or possibly even reversing the aging process when it comes to muscles. More calories burned naturally means a better chance of losing the belly.

It's funny how you say mixing different meats in your sandwich makes sure you get all the micronutrients. Say what?

Lastly, performing low intensity cardio before you eat in the morning is good advice, but it has nothing to do with hormones. It has more to do with the fact that the body is depleted of glycogen (stored carbs) after a long fast during the time one sleeps. As a result, it seeks the most efficient source of energy, which is fat. It's good with a cup of coffee to kick start the body fat burning process too.

[Fiend_73]

Although the EC stack works very well, I highly advise against it. As a former ephedrine user/abuser I can say its physical side effects are relatively harmless in healthy individuals, but it does trigger severe psychological side effects such as mania, depression, psychosis, rapid and intense mood swings, and addiction.
Please keep in mind that crystal meth is just a concentrated dose of cooked up ephedrine.

I have found a safer less intense fat burner/stim called Synephrine. Imo, far better than ephedrine with minimal side affects and no addiction potential.

just my $.02

[Vadim Beliaev]

Originally Posted by Fiend_73

Please keep in mind that crystal meth is just a concentrated dose of cooked up ephedrine.

Im at loss for words... literally.

[Baldiewonkanobi]

For your own research and consideration:

Lipotropics (Lipo (fat) Tropic (heat))

Inositol
L-Metionine
L-Taurine
Choline
B-6
one brand is Nature's Life Lipotropic Complex

Lady Wonkanobi use to be able to tell when I was ready to compete and dial in because she could tell by my body heat under the covers....Lipotropics. I take a maintenace level now and will up it x3 when contest time nears again.

[Nick1971]

I'm using MAN Scorch right now and I am attempting to have the caffeine and PEA from the pills act as a substitute for sodas that I've quite frankly become addicted to. My goal is to completely get off sodas by the end of this month, and then stop using Scorch. So far it's helped some, and I am three days into my month-long experiment. Time will tell.

[oldmangreene]

Originally Posted by Nick1971

I'm using MAN Scorch right now and I am attempting to have the caffeine and PEA from the pills act as a substitute for sodas that I've quite frankly become addicted to. My goal is to completely get off sodas by the end of this month, and then stop using Scorch. So far it's helped some, and I am three days into my month-long experiment. Time will tell.

This might help some..January 1 2008 I was smoking a pack of cigarettes, drinking 4 cups of coffee and downing at least 3 or 4 diet cola's a day..I do none of that today...I cut the coffee to 2 cups a day, stopped smoking January 4 after 40 years (with one session of acupuncture) and for the last 4 months have not touched a soda..I lived off the caffeine buzz..once I started getting my life together and eating right the soda was easy to drop..everyone is different, its a matter of how bad you want it...good luck

[Clif]

they dont work for me the only thing that did was HIIT for 20 Min. after my lift. Good Luck

[dbx]

Originally Posted by BigAl71

Do fat burners work?

If by fat burners you mean treadmills, ellipticals, stair climbers and HIIT in general......yes .

[THROW?]

Originally Posted by sdnatural

First, "lose" is spelled with only 1 "o." Second, muscles naturally atrophy as we age. It's this reason that makes it more difficult to lose weight as we age...there's less lean mass to burn calories naturally. I would suggest bulking up first, but bulking up with actual lean mass...not fat. The more lean mass acquired, the more effective you are in slowing down or possibly even reversing the aging process when it comes to muscles. More calories burned naturally means a better chance of losing the belly.

It's funny how you say mixing different meats in your sandwich makes sure you get all the micronutrients. Say what?

Lastly, performing low intensity cardio before you eat in the morning is good advice, but it has nothing to do with hormones. It has more to do with the fact that the body is depleted of glycogen (stored carbs) after a long fast during the time one sleeps. As a result, it seeks the most efficient source of energy, which is fat. It's good with a cup of coffee to kick start the body fat burning process too.

First, your body NATURALLY stores fat as you age. This is the reason skinfold caliper measurements have to take age into account. As you age, you store more internal fat. This has nothing to do with muscle atrophy. Your body stores fat easier. This has to do with hormones! The fact that your muscles atrophy doesn't make it easier for your body to store fat, it just means that if you eat too much, you get fat. This is pretty basic. When you are 25 and working out vs 50 and working out, you may need 3000, vs 2000 calories. If you are eating 3000 in both cases, your muscle atrophy has NOTHING to do with your gaining fat, it is your excess calories. Secondly, you can't reverse the aging process. You will lose not only muscle fibers, butalso the cross sectional area of those fibers. You can slow it though. Thirdly, this is only a very generic description for the process. To fully describe it, we would have to talk about all the aging factors and how they affect the body like decreased arterial compliance, skeletal muscle capillary density, left ventricular hypertrophy, early left ventricular diastole function, and a myriad of other things. I am only laying out the basic and main reason for my point to cut fast first.

Performing cardio in the morning has only partly to do with depleted glycogen. You are correct that you will burn fat only in a glycogen depleted state. HOWEVER, not all glycogen depleted states are equal. Try starving yourself all day and then do cardio at night and see if you burn fat. This will NOT work. In this case, you will burn muscle, and not fat. Again, this is because of hormones! It is actually one of the main reason yo-yo dieters experience their pains. This is also the reason during mass cycles, you try to regulate insulin and spike it at certain times to use it to your advantage.

Mixing meats in your sandwiches gives you a better mix of micronutrients. Very few protein sources have all available proteins. Your body has a variety of proteins that it needs, some it can produce, and some it can not. These are the essential amino acids. So, if you eat nothing but one type of protein all the time, you will develop a deficiency of whatever protein you are missing. This can lead to little things like headaches, or big things like death.

Now, obviously, he is not eating the same exact thing 6 times a day 7 days a week. So, he will more than likely get enough of the other proteins to not die, but his body will not function optimally, which is what we all want.

[gjohnson5]

Originally Posted by dbx

If by fat burners you mean treadmills, ellipticals, stair climbers and HIIT in general......yes .

LOL
In conjunction with a caloric deficit , I agree

[johnnyironboard]

Originally Posted by Fiend_73

Please keep in mind that crystal meth is just a concentrated dose of cooked up ephedrine.

so if I eat barley can I get a buzz?

[dartol]

Like has been said, everyone is different. I say it is 80% diet and 20% exercise for losing, but I think it swings more toward exercise for long term maintenance.
I still have a ways to go, but I was at my high weight of almost 270 in 1998, low of 196 in 2007.

Fat burners don't' seem to do much for me. Exercise alone doesn't do it for me either. As others have said, get the diet on track. I like www.sparkpeople.com for diet tracking. A lot of people use www.fitday.com as well.

Darren

[odawg315]

In my experience they do work...to a point. There is absolutly no denying weight loss can not be acomplished with out excercise, diet, and simple math...burn more than you take in! With that being said Ill tell you my experience. I started working out when I was 16 at the weight of 300 lbs. over the course of a year I got down to 200 and ultamatly down to 185lbs and maintained that for yrs. in that time I tried both with and with out suppliments. and while on the fat burners I avg 4-5lbs per week, while between cycles that dropped to 1-2lbs per week, some say its just coincidence, I just dont believe that, of course back then I was taking products that contained ephedrine. Fast forward 9yrs I was in a horrific motorcycle accident that had me bed ridden for a year untill bones, skin grafts and organs healed then came the real pain of rehad and learning to walk again. Over that 3 yr period I blew up to 335lbs again, being bed ridden and alone except for a home aid my diet was mostly fast food and frozen food loaded with fat and sugar and salt!!! at the age of 28 I started to train again, once again i started by correcting my diet then a work out routine. over a year and and a month I got my weight down to 200. over the course of that time I experimented with fat burners again, now ephedra free, with nearly the same results as before. with out them I avg. 1-2 lbs in a week, with them specifically Lipo 6 I was talking of 4-5 a week again. Now there were some that I tried that did nothing for me one of wich is probably the best selling and most well known, but Lipo 6 worked for me. I find I focus better, can work out longer, and have more energy while taking them.

Right now history has repeated itself, I fell playing hockey, re-injured my leg from that motorcycle accident and put on 40lbs in 9 months, I have corrected my diet once again and began working out now and am struglling to take off 1-2lbs per week, my diet is clean and I am experienced enough to know what work outs will work for me. I ordered a new bottle today and Im sure the results woill be similar to the past. so any way in my opinion ...yes they do work for me.

[gjohnson5]

Originally Posted by THROW?

First, your body NATURALLY stores fat as you age. This is the reason skinfold caliper measurements have to take age into account.

As one of my physical friends put it , there's nothing "natural" about aging
Werner?s syndrome,I guess is an example of bodily self destruction mechanisms proceeding much faster then normal.

I guess what I'm saying is that you don't have to accept aging in your day to day life

[Marius_Ursus]

Originally Posted by gjohnson5

As one of my physical friends put it , there's nothing "natural" about aging
Werner?s syndrome,I guess is an example of bodily self destruction mechanisms proceeding much faster then normal.

I guess what I'm saying is that you don't have to accept aging in your day to day life

Here's something I totally agree with you on. The only reason people naturally store more fat as they age is because of a diminished capacity for work. I think lifting weights, hiking, bicycling, and running are natural ways not to store fat as we age.

[THROW?]

Fat storage is an absolute as you age. If you have a BMR of x your entire life (keep in mind that x changes throughout), and you always have exactly the proper amount of micronutrients that equal x, you will gain more fat as you age. As I have stated, I am NOT talking about subcutaneous fat. I am talking about internal fat.

Also, why is it that when your 20, calories in > calories out = fat gain, but then, all of the sudden, when you are 60, it is b/c of your muscles. You eat more than you take in, you gain weight. If your muscles can not produce as much work, then they are not requiring the same amount of calories. You are still gaining weight because you are eating too much.

You do have to accept aging, but you can slow it down. If we didn't have to accept it, we would have people not dying, or at least 200 year olds running marathons. I still agree with you that we should do everything we can to slow it down. People who exercise and eat regularly not only have a better quality of life, but that life is longer and with less disease. They are even saying alzheimers can be stopped or slowed with exercise.

[mavrick77]

Originally Posted by THROW?

Plus, you can't spot treat bodyfat. To get rid of the belly, you have to get rid of it all. The good news is that much of the belly will go quickly till you get around 12% or so bodyfat. Once you get it down though, then the real work begins!

i have always felt this way too....but recent research shows topical yohimbee does a ok job at spot treatment.... but that could also be due to the lack of water thoose cells hold too, because most topicals have caffine in them, and will cause that area to dehydrate..who knows..

now there used to be a product called lipostabil that was injected with a insulin needle, used to be fairly cheap and really did work well...however I have not seen any in awhile, and the ones I can find are expensive as hell

[THROW?]

You actually hit the nail on the head about the spot treating fat. Pretty much all treatments just remove the water from the area, so you look less fat.

There are things out there that do "work." I put work in quotes b/c something working is a relative term. Lets say I do put some magic cream on my tummy for 10 years, and over that time, it attributed to half an ounze of fat. Well, it did work, but no person would use it if they knew the truth.

This is another thing that supp companies do. They say their product increases fat loss or muscle gain by 50% over a placebo. Well, with placebo, if I loose/gain half a pound over a couple of months, a 50% increase is another 4 oz! Now, on one hand, it did work, on the other hand, you paid hundreds of dollars to loose an extra pound over a year.

It is said that if americans upped their fiber intake to what it is supposed to be, it will flush enough fat out of the system for them to loose 9 pounds a year.

But, just to reiterate, fat burners do work, but no better than caffeine will do you. This is actually something else supp companies do. They put 1000 ingredients for some miracle drug, but all that actually makes a difference is one or 2 items. Look at all the NO supps. You can get the exact same thing from arginine for less than a tenth the price. Most add caffeine too.

[Tallgntlmn]

I've used a few. There is one combination that I felt worked. I can't attribute the results to the supplements alone but I did lose weight. In addition, the pants were very loose, the belt tightened one notch, and I felt like the reflection in the mirror looked better.

Then again, maybe it was a slight switch in workout philosophy during that time that really did it. I can't say for sure. I haven't run that stack since to find out. I would like to but economic conditions won't allow me to.

I've also used fat burners in the past that didn't do jack. There was one in the mid 90's that was supposed to work great. I can't remember the name but it didn't work for me at all.