Intermittent Fasting

[MrBeardy]

Originally Posted by Jim_C

I do it 7 days a week.

As for the vitamin, I would take it when you eat that day.

You mean you jog 7 days a week while on your fast? You drink right? Or you would get dehydrated? Do you just drink water bro?

Since I would be fasting, I would eat in the evening. Would the vitamin have the same effect if I took it in the evening?

[Jim_C]

Originally Posted by MrBeardy

You mean you jog 7 days a week while on your fast? You drink right? Or you would get dehydrated? Do you just drink water bro?

Since I would be fasting, I would eat in the evening. Would the vitamin have the same effect if I took it in the evening?

Sorry, I am saying I do the diet 7 days a week. As for jogging, I have jogged up to 8 miles on the Warrior diet with no problem. Quite the opposite actually. Before Warrior I found that I needed to take energy gels on long jogs. Not anymore.

The diet has nothing to do with drinking. Drink as much as you need, water that is.

it doesn't matter when you take your vitamin if you take one a day. If you take it with no food though you will probably just piss it out.

[MrBeardy]

Originally Posted by Jim_C

Sorry, I am saying I do the diet 7 days a week. As for jogging, I have jogged up to 8 miles on the Warrior diet with no problem. Quite the opposite actually. Before Warrior I found that I needed to take energy gels on long jogs. Not anymore.

The diet has nothing to do with drinking. Drink as much as you need, water that is.

it doesn't matter when you take your vitamin if you take one a day. If you take it with no food though you will probably just piss it out.

Alright so jogging while fasting is ok. So no Gatorade then? I've heard that Gatorade is even better than water for athletes/exercizing...

[teschuette]

While I think that fasting has some religious value I feel that it has little to no value in fat lose.

It's best to eat a lot of small meals every day. This keeps your metabolism burning strongest. Basic example of your metabolism is a campfire. If you don't add wood your fire burns cooler and cooler as time goes on. Adding wood only three times a day will give hot and cool spikes. Also if you throw a huge stump on the fire (big meal) the fire does not have enough energy to efficiently fully ignite and burn the stump. It will slowly burn all day long with little heat. If you slowly feed the fire all day long with small pieces of wood it will burn the hottest and most efficient.

Your body requires energy to operate. If you don't feed it... it will eat off of it's self. Muscle will be the first to go in this situation. I'm not saying you won't lose "any" fat. It's "impossible" to lose over two pounds a week without losing muscle. Those who say they are getting stronger by fasting are clearly gaining on there goals by what they are doing outside of fasting. It's impossible to "naturally" get stronger and gain muscle with a calorie deficit and low protein intake along with a poor metabolism.

Also you can not "store" food. Your body does three basic things with food... burns the food (energy), stores it as fat, or makes muscle. Your body is not going to make muscle if you are at a deficit of calories. So we are down to two options. When your body notices you are not feeding it... it shuts down and basically decides, "screw you... if you are not going to feed me then I will store what you are going to feed me and cool down my metabolism to save on energy". So the only option left is storage of calories. Body fat storage is the only option for the body at this point.

Do as you wish and argue if you may. I lost over 75 pounds in my first twelve weeks and lost WAY too much muscle. I didn't know jack about fitness and dieting when I started. Lots of help with friends who are trainers and bodybuilders changed that a lot. I don't really regret it because I feel so much better without the extra weight but now that I am looking to gain strength and size after I lean down some more I realize that I wish that I had that muscle back. It takes WAY more work to gain a pound of muscle than it does to lose a pound of fat.

Good luck with all fitness goals!

[Jim_C]

I would skip the gatorade when fasting. If you want to have something you could have some fruit or veggies during the day but I prefer to eat nothing.

You have some reading to do:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=110456071

[Jim_C]

Originally Posted by teschuette

While I think that fasting has some religious value I feel that it has little to no value in fat lose.

It's best to eat a lot of small meals every day. This keeps your metabolism burning strongest. Basic example of your metabolism is a campfire. If you don't add wood your fire burns cooler and cooler as time goes on. Adding wood only three times a day will give hot and cool spikes. Also if you throw a huge stump on the fire (big meal) the fire does not have enough energy to efficiently fully ignite and burn the stump. It will slowly burn all day long with little heat. If you slowly feed the fire all day long with small pieces of wood it will burn the hottest and most efficient.

Your body requires energy to operate. If you don't feed it... it will eat off of it's self. Muscle will be the first to go in this situation. I'm not saying you won't lose "any" fat. It's "impossible" to lose over two pounds a week without losing muscle. Those who say they are getting stronger by fasting are clearly gaining on there goals by what they are doing outside of fasting. It's impossible to "naturally" get stronger and gain muscle with a calorie deficit and low protein intake along with a poor metabolism.

Also you can not "store" food. Your body does three basic things with food... burns the food (energy), stores it as fat, or makes muscle. Your body is not going to make muscle if you are at a deficit of calories. So we are down to two options. When your body notices you are not feeding it... it shuts down and basically decides, "screw you... if you are not going to feed me then I will store what you are going to feed me and cool down my metabolism to save on energy". So the only option left is storage of calories. Body fat storage is the only option for the body at this point.

Do as you wish and argue if you may. I lost over 75 pounds in my first twelve weeks and lost WAY too much muscle. I didn't know jack about fitness and dieting when I started. Lots of help with friends who are trainers and bodybuilders changed that a lot. I don't really regret it because I feel so much better without the extra weight but now that I am looking to gain strength and size after I lean down some more I realize that I wish that I had that muscle back. It takes WAY more work to gain a pound of muscle than it does to lose a pound of fat.

Good luck with all fitness goals!

You should do more research before you discredit a diet. If our bodies were so quick to eat up our muscle we never would have made it as a species. Eating the large meal at night resets your metabolism. IMO you are more likely to go into a catabolic state eating small meals all day. Your body never gets fully satiated.

[Lemonzest]

@teschuette, and for your next trick will you say keto dont work?

we're not fasting, just reducing meal frequency to 1-2 from the insane 6-7

I've broken a two month plateau , same cals different frequency.

[teschuette]

I wasn't attacking anyone and I do recall putting in my post "do as you wish". If it works for you and you think it's what's best than do it. In my opinion any diet that makes you lose wieght is better than dieing of a heart attack at of young age due to obesity. I'm all for ANYONE improving their fitness so don't feel so attacked.

Guess I missed something on the "species existance" thing. But... I do agree with a larger meal at night. Not huge but larger. I believe this because you can not be getting up in the middle of night three times to eat.... least I won't do it. The larger/higher fat content meal would be good then for slow digestion. Also slow digesting proteins.

As for next "trick"... nice and friendly by the way... I know very little about the keto diet but I have heard many positive things about it. Only problem I have heard of (and I'm not accusing or pointing fingers) is most people don't follow it correctly due to it being very difficult to follow to a "T".

[mpipes]

Here's a nifty link so I can quit re-typing posts debunking the 6 meals a day stuff.

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/res...ch-review.html

[Primol]

just adding my 2 cents upon deaf ears.


The whole idea behind multiple meals a day is to keep blood sugars stable. Stable blood sugar creates a better mood throughout the day. It also keeps calories less likely from being stored. Spiked sugar levels create a environment for fat storage. Eating 6 times a day also makes calorie cutting an easier process on the body. When you eat multiple time day, you keep food in the belly constantly. So even if it less food, you don't get those crazy binge urges as you would with eating less frequently.

I say try whatever crazy diet you like. As long as it gets you motivated to stay fit and healthy. I will say this about it. I will never stop telling people not to do it and do what I think is the correct way.

[Hasshman]

IF is not eating for long periods at a time (16 - 20 hours).
Does it matter when it is done? I did the 9pm to 1pm for a 3 months now.
I want to start fasting from 5pm to 9am. Is that good way of breaking my stall of not losing fat?

[Jim_C]

Originally Posted by Primol

just adding my 2 cents upon deaf ears.


The whole idea behind multiple meals a day is to keep blood sugars stable. Stable blood sugar creates a better mood throughout the day. It also keeps calories less likely from being stored. Spiked sugar levels create a environment for fat storage. Eating 6 times a day also makes calorie cutting an easier process on the body. When you eat multiple time day, you keep food in the belly constantly. So even if it less food, you don't get those crazy binge urges as you would with eating less frequently.

I say try whatever crazy diet you like. As long as it gets you motivated to stay fit and healthy. I will say this about it. I will never stop telling people not to do it and do what I think is the correct way.

That is exactly one of the reasons that IF works. When you only eat once a day your blood sugar levels are even more stable. You do not have a rise and drop in blood sugar level 5-6 times a day after eating. You have a constant and even energy level throughout the day.

[LaiaLona333]

so if I do it, just dont eat for one day and then eat at night for dinner? right? thats easy with my busy schedule anyway.

[chenrko420]

Ori Hofmekler has even said it himself that the one big meal at night is the most anabolic and by undereating and overeating, it increases protein efficiency. Contrary to popular belief, you won't lose muscle during the fasting stage, actually our body produces the most hgh during that time to prevent us from losing muscle and this was a defense mechanism that helped our ancestor during times where food weren't available.

[dogfight]

thats when i fast but i bumped it to 10am to 5pm and occasionally 5:30pm at the latest. even during these winter months ive only gained 5lbs mostly because of the creatine and excess calories and mass gain. i typically blow up to 227lbs but im holding steady at 210lbs up almost 11lbs in the past month. come january i will take it down to 204lbs again and start my decent down to 190lbs in 2009. IF has helped so much here its ridiculous and i almost always work out in a fasted state and have continued to make strong weight lifting gains.

[bango skank]

I've been IFing for maybe 6 months now and it's been terrific. I'm currently doing it 4 days per week, 3 of them are lifting days, and I'll eat all day following a workout. I usually fast 15-19 hours and feast 4-7 hours. I try to mix it up.

Here are some choice links if you're interested in learning more:

"The IF Life" A Daily Blog:
http://projectfit.org/iflifeblog/

IF Message Board:
http://www.performancemenu.com/forum...isplay.php?f=4

Robb Wolf's IF Article Collection:
http://www.performancemenu.com/zen/i...products_id=64

"Protein Power" IF Intro Page:
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/i...better-health/

"A How-To Guide to IF:"
http://conditioningresearch.blogspot...earch/label/IF

"How To IF:"
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-t...ttent-fasting/

"Intermittent Fasting 101 - How to Start:"
http://projectfit.org/iflifeblog/200...-start-part-i/

Dave Draper's IF info page:
http://www.davedraper.com/pmwiki/pmw...mittentFasting

Art De Vany on IF:
http://www.arthurdevany.com/2006/12/...tent_fa_2.html[/QUOTE]

[chenrko420]

Intermittent Fasting is new so I'm not surprised that it is getting a lot of criticism. Eventually it will catch on, however the supplement industry would suffer.

[grapemaster]

I like it just because I am not full all the time! and i can just make one meal and eat a dessert ... often do a 4 hour window.