Spot Reduction: Is it possible in ....??

[Fitness_Lover]

I know that spot reduction is not possible in case of losing fat. If u intend to reduce a certain amount of fat from a certain part of ur body u will actually reduce the total body fat, i.e. u can't spot reduce!!!

that is the case of Losing Fat!!

I have been just wondering about the Glycogen Depletion Process through exercising a certain muscle. Can we say the same thing here that Spot Reduction, I would call it SPOT DEPLETION, is also not possible??

In other words, suppose that I'm working out my biceps in the rep ranges that my biceps would utilize the stored glycogen for energy.

My question is: How will glycogen be utilized for energy?? Is it only the glycogen stored in my biceps or in my body in total?? Is Spot Depletion what happens here or what?

ur help would be very much appreciated.


Regards
Husain

[rhizome]

Glycogen utilization is generally localized to the exercising muscle(s).

[Fitness_Lover]

Originally Posted by rhizome

Glycogen utilization is generally localized to the exercising muscle(s).

So, assuming that I'm working out my legs then only the Glycogen stores in my leg muscles will be depleted but other non-trained muscles are not!!

So, can we say that Glycogen depletion is a Spot Depletion??

[Fitness_Lover]

Originally Posted by rhizome

Glycogen utilization is generally localized to the exercising muscle(s).

OK rhizome, thx a lot for ur reply. I almost got it, but still need to make sure that I got the meaning of -----> "LOCALIZED"

Does "Localized" mean that only the Glycogen stores of that exercising muscle(s) will be depleted??

anyone, plz??

[GTmauf]

Originally Posted by Fitness_Lover

OK rhizome, thx a lot for ur reply. I almost got it, but still need to make sure that I got the meaning of -----> "LOCALIZED"

Does "Localized" mean that only the Glycogen stores of that exercising muscle(s) will be depleted??

anyone, plz??

Correct, the glycogen stored in THE muscle you are working will be used first-foremost. After the glycogen in that muscle is depleted your body will take glucose from the liver/use body fat for energy. Your muscles can store glycogen but not release it, so only that muscle can use it's own glycogen.

[Fitness_Lover]

rhizome and GTmauf thank u very much and I appreciate ur reply. u really helped me a lot. I also found some websites confirming wt u have said.

OK, after knowing this fact my next level question would be about the POW meals.

Since Glycogen utilization is localized then the amount that will be utilized will differ depending on the exercising muscle SIZE. Then, the amount of consumed calories needed to replenish Glycogen stores will also differ because of the already mentioned reason.

So, the bigger the exercising muscle the more the carbs is needed to replenish Glycogen stores of that muscle, i.e. high caloric POW meal with high GI carbs.

Bulking up is necessary for muscle gain. During this phase there always will be an increase in the body fat % due to the increase of the carbs expenditure.
for the reason of not letting fat accumulating very quickly, can we divide our carbs intake as:

High Carbs --> for big muscles
Low Carbs --> for small muscles

I think it's better to make our POW meals high in carbs for the big muscles day, and low in carbs for the small muscles day. Of course, with carbs having High GI.

what do u think gents??


Regards
Husain

[Jules Verne]

Originally Posted by Fitness_Lover

I think it's better to make our POW meals high in carbs for the big muscles day, and low in carbs for the small muscles day. Of course, with carbs having High GI.

what do u think gents??


Regards
Husain

I think you're mad to have a 'small muscles day'. Arms don't need an entire day to themselves, neither does isolated shoulder work or wrist curls. Either hit something worthwhile, or take a rest or cardio day.




EDIT: hope you have you facetious detector working!

[GTmauf]

Originally Posted by Fitness_Lover

rhizome and GTmauf thank u very much and I appreciate ur reply. u really helped me a lot. I also found some websites confirming wt u have said.

OK, after knowing this fact my next level question would be about the POW meals.

Since Glycogen utilization is localized then the amount that will be utilized will differ depending on the exercising muscle SIZE. Then, the amount of consumed calories needed to replenish Glycogen stores will also differ because of the already mentioned reason.

So, the bigger the exercising muscle the more the carbs is needed to replenish Glycogen stores of that muscle, i.e. high caloric POW meal with high GI carbs.

Bulking up is necessary for muscle gain. During this phase there always will be an increase in the body fat % due to the increase of the carbs expenditure.
for the reason of not letting fat accumulating very quickly, can we divide our carbs intake as:

High Carbs --> for big muscles
Low Carbs --> for small muscles

I think it's better to make our POW meals high in carbs for the big muscles day, and low in carbs for the small muscles day. Of course, with carbs having High GI.

what do u think gents??


Regards
Husain

I see no reason as to not do something like this. If you do cardio everyday then I would most likely just stick with a consistent amount of carbs PWO. However I don't think the need for High GI vs Low GI matters much for PWO. Alan Aragon stated this in his post about Pre, During, and PWO nutrition.

Oh and Lulz to Jules Vern :P

[KingOfChaos]

Nope, spot reduction is never possible...the body loses weight from the outside, in...meaning the extremities such as the head/face, arms, and legs lose weight fastest and have the appearance of losing weight first because they're so much smaller than your core body in comparison.

It's why you see all these people bitching about having a pot belly, since it is the hardest area to see results in and is always last to go.

[Diggerless]

I asked a very similar question today, but more relating to cardio and glycogen depletion. See here. . .http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=111932281.

If you spend say 15-20 minutes on a piece of cardio eqpuipment that utilizes certain muscle groups, then move immediately to another using different muscle groups will the body revert to those new muscles' glycogen stores or will the continued aerobic exercise also continue depleting any glycogen left in the liver (assuming there is some left) and then onto the fat reserves?

Hope that makes sense?!

[Fitness_Lover]

Originally Posted by Jules Verne

I think you're mad to have a 'small muscles day'. Arms don't need an entire day to themselves, neither does isolated shoulder work or wrist curls. Either hit something worthwhile, or take a rest or cardio day.




EDIT: hope you have you facetious detector working!

Jules Verne, Thx for taking part in this thread.

Actually, I'm running into this due to my current situation that all what I can is just exercising one muscle a day, for 30 - 60 min. Depending on the exercised muscle size. So, not seriously working out better than nothing. what do you thing?? should I workout or just give up that??

so that why I posed this matter here!!

[Fitness_Lover]

Originally Posted by GTmauf

I see no reason as to not do something like this. If you do cardio everyday then I would most likely just stick with a consistent amount of carbs PWO.

I've just explained why I asked this.

Originally Posted by GTmauf

However I don't think the need for High GI vs Low GI matters much for PWO. Alan Aragon stated this in his post about Pre, During, and PWO nutrition.

Oh and Lulz to Jules Vern :P

As far as I know that High GI carbs would make Glycogen Synthesis occurs at a faster rate. It will give a high Insulin Spike, and that by its turn will speed up the Glycogen Synthesis. Of course with ensuring adequate amount of carbs.


Thx a lot.
and if u don't mind, could u pls send me the link of that thread talking about "Pre, During, and PWO nutrition"??

[Fitness_Lover]

Originally Posted by KingOfChaos

Nope, spot reduction is never possible...

FAT Spot Reduction is impossible. But it is the case with Glycogen Depletion.
In other words. Glycogen utilization is localized to the exercising muscle(s).

Originally Posted by KingOfChaos

the body loses weight from the outside, in...meaning the extremities such as the head/face, arms, and legs lose weight fastest and have the appearance of losing weight first because they're so much smaller than your core body in comparison.

It's why you see all these people bitching about having a pot belly, since it is the hardest area to see results in and is always last to go.

Thx for this info.

[Fitness_Lover]

Originally Posted by Diggerless

I asked a very similar question today, but more relating to cardio and glycogen depletion. See here. . .http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=111932281.

If you spend say 15-20 minutes on a piece of cardio eqpuipment that utilizes certain muscle groups, then move immediately to another using different muscle groups will the body revert to those new muscles' glycogen stores or will the continued aerobic exercise also continue depleting any glycogen left in the liver (assuming there is some left) and then onto the fat reserves?

Hope that makes sense?!

the word "LOCALIZED" might give u the answer!!

[in10city]

Originally Posted by Fitness_Lover

I've just explained why I asked this.


As far as I know that High GI carbs would make Glycogen Synthesis occurs at a faster rate. It will give a high Insulin Spike, and that by its turn will speed up the Glycogen Synthesis. Of course with ensuring adequate amount of carbs.


Thx a lot.
and if u don't mind, could u pls send me the link of that thread talking about "Pre, During, and PWO nutrition"??

Not true really. The most important factor determining the rate of glycogen synthesis is the amount of carbohydrate consumed and not so much the GI.

Furthermore, the initial / rapid phase of glycogenesis lasting upwards of 90 minutes after exercise is insulin INDEPENDANT.

It looks like you are overthinking this, focusing on and isolated things, and not looking at the bigger picture.

[Fitness_Lover]

Originally Posted by in10city

Not true really. The most important factor determining the rate of glycogen synthesis is the amount of carbohydrate consumed and not so much the GI.

Furthermore, the initial / rapid phase of glycogenesis lasting upwards of 90 minutes after exercise is insulin INDEPENDANT.

It looks like you are overthinking this, focusing on and isolated things, and not looking at the bigger picture.

OK I don't wanna say u r wrong, but why do all articles talking about POW meals and published on BB.com state that POW should contains a High GI Carbs to optimize the immediate anabolic effects of the exercise???

[in10city]

Originally Posted by Fitness_Lover

OK I don't wanna say u r wrong, but why do all articles talking about POW meals and published on BB.com state that POW should contains a High GI Carbs to optimize the immediate anabolic effects of the exercise???

Strong broscience. Read at your own risk -> http://user210805.websitewizard.com/...R-Jan-2008.pdf

[Diggerless]

Originally Posted by Fitness_Lover

the word "LOCALIZED" might give u the answer!!

I was asking in relation to cardio and aerobic exercise in general. Your original question related to a specific muscle or body part whilst the majority of the body is inactive?

No need to shout from this end. Thanks anyway though.

[Fitness_Lover]

Originally Posted by in10city

Strong broscience. Read at your own risk -> http://user210805.websitewizard.com/...R-Jan-2008.pdf

"They found that there is no difference whether to use High/Low GI for fast Recovery"

Very interesting!! Now I don't know whom I'm gonna belief

I'll read it thoroughly later on.

Thx for the info sharing. It's been very nice talking to u guys!!

[Jules Verne]

Originally Posted by Fitness_Lover

Jules Verne, Thx for taking part in this thread.

Actually, I'm running into this due to my current situation that all what I can is just exercising one muscle a day, for 30 - 60 min. Depending on the exercised muscle size. So, not seriously working out better than nothing. what do you thing?? should I workout or just give up that??

so that why I posed this matter here!!

No, obviously you should do something. I guess my point was semi-serious. There are people who will benefit form a 'small' muscle day. But seriously, if you use up less energy on a workout, why would you want to eat as much PWO as if you used a lot of energy?

If I need to strengthen a small muscle(s) and I work that + some cardio one day, I'm not going to eat the same quantity of carbs PWO as if I had a mega-leg or upper body day. Also I won't eat as much on a light leg day as a heavy leg day, althouth I will probably have about the same amount of protein PWO.

[Fitness_Lover]

Originally Posted by Jules Verne

No, obviously you should do something. I guess my point was semi-serious. There are people who will benefit form a 'small' muscle day. But seriously, if you use up less energy on a workout, why would you want to eat as much PWO as if you used a lot of energy?

If I need to strengthen a small muscle(s) and I work that + some cardio one day, I'm not going to eat the same quantity of carbs PWO as if I had a mega-leg or upper body day. Also I won't eat as much on a light leg day as a heavy leg day, althouth I will probably have about the same amount of protein PWO.

So, I understand that u agree with me assuming we r in that situation, a less vs more energy consumption workout!!