11-OXO / Adrenosterone Experiences

[TC1000]

Can anyone tell me how this would affect chest fat whilst on a cut? I have very stubborn fat which I have had trouble shifting on previous cutting cycles. Is this likely to help with estrogen based fatty deposits?

[chasinSKURT]

This thread was/is supposed to be about feedback on 11-oxo. Can those with questions please make their own thread or go to the 11-oxo thread in the company promotion section!!!

[TC1000]

Sorry my bad!

[MuM4519]

Originally Posted by TC1000

Can anyone tell me how this would affect chest fat whilst on a cut? I have very stubborn fat which I have had trouble shifting on previous cutting cycles. Is this likely to help with estrogen based fatty deposits?

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[Rushi]

Originally Posted by NiceGuyEddie

I recently completed a 16 day run on 11-OXO,went through two bottles at 6-8 caps per day and was not very impressed with results as far as fat loss was concerned.PCT was/is clomid at 25mg ED,which I like as a test booster anyway.

Not to detract from 11-OXO as diet wasn't on point so if a decent deficit was in place I imagine results would have been a good deal more pleasing.Another factor to consider is that I take in around 600mg caffiene and a 30mg synephrine hcl per day with intermittent ephedrine hcl at 25-50mg so results of a cortisol based supp would be comprised due to the heavy handed stimulant usage,despite the fact that andro is tissue specific.

I would say that PA's product is the one to buy as the price point on Icon is higher,not to mention PA's innovation should be respected.

I would really have liked to run a 2 week high dose cycle of 11-OXO,as PA himself has stated he does,at around 12 caps per day but as that is a bit cost prohibitive for me I wasn't able to do so.

When Live Long Nutrition's transdermal andro is brought to the market,one will be able to dose andro in the manner that PA does...so we can all live the dream of having liberal access to supps as a supp company owner does,hehe.

Abdro's oral bioavailability is subpar and with a transdermal this is no longer an issue,hence the greater efficacy per mg.For those interested in transdermal andro,please vote and express your interest in the linked thread below,if we get around a 100 votes production will begin.FYI,the powder will be supplied by Ergopharm and we will be using Avant's systematic transdermal carrier,Soakt.

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/i...howtopic=35306

Yo Eddie, stop calling it andro fool.

[darknessWithin]

Originally Posted by TC1000

Can anyone tell me how this would affect chest fat whilst on a cut? I have very stubborn fat which I have had trouble shifting on previous cutting cycles. Is this likely to help with estrogen based fatty deposits?

try novedex pretty sure the 2.5% extra fat loss is from chest and abs mostly

[GoalsmotivateU]

Originally Posted by darknessWithin

try novedex pretty sure the 2.5% extra fat loss is from chest and abs mostly

dont forget butt. The Stomach, butt and chest are some of the first places fat is stored. of course when you lose you'll lose the most obvious places.

also every body is different and every body loses some more than others in different places at different times. does that make sense

[Durf]

Just curious, but can this be combined with Lipoderm? I know this is suppose to work on visceral fat but what about subcontanious fat? My fat seems to be mostly between the skin and muscle, will this help?

[chasinSKURT]

Originally Posted by Durf

Just curious, but can this be combined with Lipoderm? I know this is suppose to work on visceral fat but what about subcontanious fat? My fat seems to be mostly between the skin and muscle, will this help?

I forget why, but the answer was no. Maybe lipoderm inhibits the enzymes required to convert 11-oxo into 11-keto-testosterone? Not sure.... either way, I remember a big no to this exact question.

[AKjergaard]

So how much weight have people gained from this stuff? I hear people use it for cutting but what about bulking anyone see anything?

[DOMESKI]

Originally Posted by TC1000

Can anyone tell me how this would affect chest fat whilst on a cut? I have very stubborn fat which I have had trouble shifting on previous cutting cycles. Is this likely to help with estrogen based fatty deposits?

Genetics aside, your fat deposits or where you store your fat is hormonal based. People with diabetes or others issues with insulin will store fat differently from someone who suffers from high estrogen levels or out of wack cortisol.

Look at chics (high estrogen) - increased fatty tissue in breast, more fat stored in ass and legs.

I believe people with insulin insensitivity will store more in the hips and around the torso. But yea, estrogen goes down (even slightly) when you introduce a substance like 11-oxo. Nowhere near the amount you'd decrease with masteron or A.I. use, but there is some antiestrogenic effect.

Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

I forget why, but the answer was no. Maybe lipoderm inhibits the enzymes required to convert 11-oxo into 11-keto-testosterone? Not sure.... either way, I remember a big no to this exact question.

What up Gangster?

Originally Posted by AKjergaard

So how much weight have people gained from this stuff? I hear people use it for cutting but what about bulking anyone see anything?

You can introduce it to a bulking cycle and it will probably make your cycle more comfortable and also allow you to stay relatively lean and strong while adding mass. Dont use it specifically to gain mass, because it really isnt meant for that. use it for cutting and you'll be more pleased.

I bridged it back in the day and it made me feel great when coming off.

[GoalsmotivateU]

Originally Posted by DOMESKI

Genetics aside, your fat deposits or where you store your fat is hormonal based. People with diabetes or others issues with insulin will store fat differently from someone who suffers from high estrogen levels or out of wack cortisol.

Look at chics (high estrogen) - increased fatty tissue in breast, more fat stored in ass and legs.

I believe people with insulin insensitivity will store more in the hips and around the torso. But yea, estrogen goes down (even slightly) when you introduce a substance like 11-oxo. Nowhere near the amount you'd decrease with masteron or A.I. use, but there is some antiestrogenic effect.



What up Gangster?



You can introduce it to a bulking cycle and it will probably make your cycle more comfortable and also allow you to stay relatively lean and strong while adding mass. Dont use it specifically to gain mass, because it really isnt meant for that. use it for cutting and you'll be more pleased.

I bridged it back in the day and it made me feel great when coming off.

is this the same bridge in your signature?

if so what was your cycle substance and doses and for how long , wt at the time and for how long was the bridge? and what did you use for pct?

[DOMESKI]

Originally Posted by GoalsmotivateU

is this the same bridge in your signature?

if so what was your cycle substance and doses and for how long , wt at the time and for how long was the bridge? and what did you use for pct?

yup same bridge, but for certain reasons email me directly and i'll explain everything in depth, give you a hand with your bridge if youd like. AWenguer@gmail.com

[Patrick Arnold]

Originally Posted by DOMESKI

Genetics aside, your fat deposits or where you store your fat is hormonal based. People with diabetes or others issues with insulin will store fat differently from someone who suffers from high estrogen levels or out of wack cortisol.
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cortisol excess results in insulin insensitivity


insulin insensitivity in and of itself does not result in fat deposition. in fact, insulin insensitivity is more of an EFFECT of fat gain (or cortisol excess) then a cause

[Patrick Arnold]

people used to think that you could affect the fat in the hips and legs by using anti-estrogens. It never worked

its not easily understood but apparently the female fat distribution pattern is set at a young age. Maybe it is something programmed in the womb under the effects of hormones then. Or maybe it is set in the earliest stages of puberty (or reinforced then). Bottom line is you can't do anything about this fat by playing with hormones once you are an adult

[martymcfly]

Lets say I stumbled across some OLD 4-ad. and I have 11-oxo. good combo? bad combo? how to run if good? thanks!