Let's talk about ErgoPharm, and their Trans-Resveratrol myth... - Page 7

chasinSKURT · 10-14-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

wow..........................strong

You fail to see the point. Your everyones hero for bringing such solid products to the market, and in the meantime bash the hell out of other products... But at the same time, you have brought a compound to the eyes of bodybuilders lacks any proof that it will do damn thing. Your no better than the other guys when it comes to this stuff.

I'm not at all surprised at the reaction, everyone who questions ergo is an *******. But the fact remains, that your claim made about t-res are nothing more than guesswork.

Hell, you admit that there is no research in humans.

I'm curious to here more about your lack of concern regarding SIRT1 activation...

And am also curious why you totally blew off the studying showing t-res inhibiting estrogen metabolism...

camaleom · 10-14-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

and in the meantime bash the hell out of other products...

I said it first...

chasinSKURT · 10-14-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Skigazzi

I think you missed my post on top about HEDs, 300mg/Kg in mice is less than 2g's a day for a normal sized male HUMAN...not 24g...the 50mg/kg mice dose in the other study is only about 300mg per day in humans

I saw it. That's my bad.

chasinSKURT · 10-14-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

I'm curious to here more about your lack of concern regarding SIRT1 activation...

And am also curious why you totally blew off the studying showing t-res inhibiting estrogen metabolism...

PA, when you see this tomorrow, I'd love to hear more...

iForce Dave · 10-14-2008, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

You fail to see the point. Your everyones hero for bringing such solid products to the market, and in the meantime bash the hell out of other products... But at the same time, you have brought a compound to the eyes of bodybuilders lacks any proof that it will do damn thing. Your no better than the other guys when it comes to this stuff.

I'm not at all surprised at the reaction, everyone who questions ergo is an *******. But the fact remains, that your claim made about t-res are nothing more than guesswork.

Hell, you admit that there is no research in humans.

I'm curious to here more about your lack of concern regarding SIRT1 activation...

And am also curious why you totally blew off the studying showing t-res inhibiting estrogen metabolism...

so what exactly was the point of this thread? 5 pages, and just like I said you are complaining about the exact same thing as you were earlier.

He already said there werent human data. That was established about 8 hours ago, yet here we are.

Being nothing more than a pubmeb "good bro" and trying to bash products is just annoying.

T-Res is a promising compound that has science to back it up, unfortunately until more testing is done on humans its effects on humans are speculative but backed up by many users of several products with T/R reporting good results.

Honestly, what else is there to say!???!

Nailbomb9 · 10-14-2008, 09:09 PM

Mr. Skirt I'm sure you can also agree that BB.Com brought this on by HANDCUFFING reps by pretty much telling them to say NOTHING about another's company product...which could be VERY helpful if such rep knew what the f**k they were actually talking about. Now, here's a surprise too, I've read most of this and I can see where most reps are crying foul on the call-out and using the ol' "well most supps don't have research behind them" line. Well, if most companies know this then DON'T FEED US A LINE A BULL****!!!!!!!!! Cuz anyone who's been around bodybuilding long enough knows there are basically 2 things that build muscle...protein and steroids!! And to say a f**king plant is going to get one huge or even make that much of a difference is full of it!!

mausito · 10-14-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by VaughnTrue

that would consist of 2 bottle of bold200 + 1 bottle of Reversitol.

i know you're trying to be tricky and say that Reversitol is sold as a "complete pct" in which case I agree...it is. However last time I checked Reversitol was quite a bit more than TR.

trickery not intended. i bought 4 cycles worth. This thread+the 6-bromo thread is ****ing with me.
Just want to be re-assured that i'm not going to grow a vagina is all.

Macrobolic · 10-14-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mausito

trickery not intended. i bought 4 cycles worth. This thread+the 6-bromo thread is ****ing with me.
Just want to be re-assured that i'm not going to grow a vagina is all.

nah, instead of that, Vaughn claimed you could grow 1-2 to more penises.

(he was joking of course)
(i can't even believe that I feel I had to write that just so noone will take it literally

)

VaughnTrue · 10-14-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mausito

trickery not intended. i bought 4 cycles worth. This thread+the 6-bromo thread is ****ing with me.
Just want to be re-assured that i'm not going to grow a vagina is all.

lol you're fine. youre going to LOVE your cycles

MBSowards · 10-14-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by VaughnTrue

lol you're fine. youre going to LOVE your cycles

Do you guys offer a money back guarantee? I am disappointed with the size of my new penis.

VaughnTrue · 10-14-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MBSowards

Do you guys offer a money back guarantee? I am disappointed with the size of my new penis.

yea....send a SASE to

Mike Hunt
69 fingerpop lane
Bollywood, India 8392-2838890

Patrick Arnold · 10-14-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chasinSKURT

You fail to see the point. Your everyones hero for bringing such solid products to the market, and in the meantime bash the hell out of other products... But at the same time, you have brought a compound to the eyes of bodybuilders lacks any proof that it will do damn thing. Your no better than the other guys when it comes to this stuff.

I'm not at all surprised at the reaction, everyone who questions ergo is an *******. But the fact remains, that your claim made about t-res are nothing more than guesswork.

Hell, you admit that there is no research in humans.

I'm curious to here more about your lack of concern regarding SIRT1 activation...

And am also curious why you totally blew off the studying showing t-res inhibiting estrogen metabolism...

i am also curious why you blew off the studies i posted showing that resveratrol is inhibitory towards breast tumors - which is alot more direct and to the point in respect to gyno than your esoteric abstract about a lone metabolic phenomenon

But lets address my "failing to see the point" as you say. I believe it is YOU that fails to see the point. I have made every effort in this thread to address the criticism you presented in the most professional and open way possible - how often do you see such a response from other company owners?? I have tried to afford you the utmost respect despite the fact that you have been nothing but an offensive ass. But you don't quit. you resort to lies - falsely saying that i promote my product as a gyno preventative/treatment.

Still, if it is your opinion that my marketing for resveratrol is overtly offensive than so be it. It is a free country and I will respect your opinion. At the same time I do not share your opinion and it is my belief that the majority of people here do not either. So either contrive a real point or let this die

206AK · 10-14-2008, 10:03 PM

Well stated PA!

DejaBlue55 · 10-14-2008, 10:13 PM

Been here for 3+ years. Never seen PA lose.

Wisdom15 · 10-14-2008, 10:29 PM

PA has kept calm and refuted everything the OP has said.

*E-Highfives PA*

Great job PA.

Rodzilla · 10-14-2008, 10:34 PM

Not sure who is nut-hugging and who is being sincere, but I would side with PA here.

Looking forward to the next call out though.

Wisdom15 · 10-14-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodzilla

Looking forward to the next call out though.

X2 here.

Craig Mack · 10-14-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisdom15

*E-Highfives PA*

Great job PA.

wow this is even a bit nerdy for an internet forum lol

Wisdom15 · 10-14-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig Mack

wow this is even a bit nerdy for an internet forum lol

You're just jealous 'cuz I'm IMing 3 girls at the same time.

Craig Mack · 10-14-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisdom15

You're just jealous 'cuz I'm IMing 3 girls at the same time.

lolol

Craig Mack · 10-14-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisdom15

You're just jealous 'cuz I'm IMing 3 girls at the same time.

Do you realize PA is old enough to be our dad? I think instead of giving him E-high fives we should be giving him rides to get his prescriptions filled, and cleaning his dentures. I mean we should respect our elders, right?

VaughnTrue · 10-14-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig Mack

Do you realize PA is old enough to be our dad? I think instead of giving him E-high fives we should be giving him rides to get his prescriptions filled, and cleaning his dentures. I mean we should respect our elders, right?

youre an odd kid.

Wisdom15 · 10-14-2008, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig Mack

Do you realize PA is old enough to be our dad? I think instead of giving him E-high fives we should be giving him rides to get his prescriptions filled, and cleaning his dentures. I mean we should respect our elders, right?

Shhh!!! Don't make him feel old.

Craig Mack · 10-14-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by VaughnTrue

youre an odd kid.

lol.....well at least I have my looks

Craig Mack · 10-15-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisdom15

Shhh!!! Don't make him feel old.

He's a respected genius who probably wipes his ass with $50 bills....I don't think the old timer cares what us kids have to say

JP83 · 10-15-2008, 12:07 AM

Ya PA is a really cool guy and what he said is true. He does not have to sit here and waste his time and prove his points but he does. I feel the thread starter came off really cocky and rude. Kudos to PA for showing class and putting this sucker in his place in a professional manner.

John-Paul · 10-15-2008, 12:30 AM

LOL!! I love this forum, just when I start to get bored another great topic pops up.

So with a show of hands, who had their mind changed by this thread?

bba149 · 10-15-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

As far as SIRT1 and the debate about muscle cell phenotype and hypertrophy goes, yes that is an interesting debate. However it is not really a debate that is relevant to 6-oxo xtreme as 6-oxo xtreme is meant for SHORT TERM testosterone elevation.

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Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold

Also, you surely are aware of the famous longevity studies on rats showing PROFOUND body composition differences. Also, treated rats had much greater endurance and were stronger as well.

interesting......