i am an atheist no question on that, however i have one question i want asnwered

[Loser44]

Originally Posted by ****-mtv

heat + chemicals = chemical process creates microorganisms

even if thats not right ^^^

one thing i know for sure "god" doesn't exists lulz if you really believe that brah

It comes down to energy. The most scientific minds in the world will tell you it takes energy to create energy. It is impossible for energy to form from nowhere. The bible teaches that God is a SPIRIT, and he is abundant in dynamic energy. Some scientists will tell you a Big Bang happened and the universe and life was formed as a result of a massive explosion. How was this massive explosion caused? Can it be explained how something as orderly and precise as the universe can come about from such a chaotic event as an explosion? Such a thing can not be re-created even on a small scale. That is why it is a theory or a strongly held belief system. The planets and orbits are so precise, we can calculate time down to the nanosecond. The bible teaches that God is a god of order. The earth and its delicate ecosystems w/plants & animals all have purpose. The reason why we are so smart is because we were created in god's image. We do not operate on instinct like the animals. We can percieve time. We love. We are aware of our existence, and question it. We ask questions. We have a sense of justice. We have a sense of good and evil. These are traits that come from God and are inherent in some way shape or form in all people no matter how distorted it is. Through my study of the bible I understand why atheists believe what they do. It is not within our capacity to comprehend a spirit being that has always been and will always be. Everything we see has a beginning and an end, since thats what we see we assume that the same must be true of God. Then there are the people who claim to represent God on this Earth and they have committed the most heinous crimes in human history, they have started wars, killed innocent people, Robbed ,raped, pilleged and they continue to do so and condone that behavior. All in the name of God. Then they have removed his name from the bible, and refuse to use it. His name is JEHOVAH. He will avenge all the innocent blood they have spilled and repay them for the billions of people they've turned against him through their disgraceful example. There is more proof. The bible teaches it. Ask me some questions and I will try to answer them.

[user6548735121400001321]

Originally Posted by Loser44

It comes down to energy. The most scientific minds in the world will tell you it takes energy to create energy. It is impossible for energy to form from nowhere. The bible teaches that God is a SPIRIT, and he is abundant in dynamic energy. Some scientists will tell you a Big Bang happened and the universe and life was formed as a result of a massive explosion. How was this massive explosion caused? Can it be explained how something as orderly and precise as the universe can come about from such a chaotic event as an explosion? Such a thing can not be re-created even on a small scale. That is why it is a theory or a strongly held belief system. The planets and orbits are so precise, we can calculate time down to the nanosecond. The bible teaches that God is a god of order. The earth and its delicate ecosystems w/plants & animals all have purpose. The reason why we are so smart is because we were created in god's image. We do not operate on instinct like the animals. We can percieve time. We love. We are aware of our existence, and question it. We ask questions. We have a sense of justice. We have a sense of good and evil. These are traits that come from God and are inherent in some way shape or form in all people no matter how distorted it is. Through my study of the bible I understand why atheists believe what they do. It is not within our capacity to comprehend a spirit being that has always been and will always be. Everything we see has a beginning and an end, since thats what we see we assume that the same must be true of God. Then there are the people who claim to represent God on this Earth and they have committed the most heinous crimes in human history, they have started wars, killed innocent people, Robbed ,raped, pilleged and they continue to do so and condone that behavior. All in the name of God. Then they have removed his name from the bible, and refuse to use it. His name is JEHOVAH. He will avenge all the innocent blood they have spilled and repay them for the billions of people they've turned against him through their disgraceful example. There is more proof. The bible teaches it. Ask me some questions and I will try to answer them.

Why should I believe God exists?

[Ajulaks]

we probably came from an asteroid fallen on Earth, or aliens planted us here for lulz

[Ajulaks]

Originally Posted by Loser44

It comes down to energy. The most scientific minds in the world will tell you it takes energy to create energy. It is impossible for energy to form from nowhere

Why so sure, our 'scientists' probably dont comprehend 1% of our universe, anything is still possible

The bible teaches that God is a SPIRIT, and he is abundant in dynamic energy. The bible teaches that God is a god of order.

The bible teaches this and that, but what is your opinion? Can you think on your own?

It is not within our capacity to comprehend a spirit being that has always been and will always be.

Oh and its within our capacity to be 100% sure that this spirit exists? No, god is also just a theory.

There is more proof. The bible teaches it. Ask me some questions and I will try to answer them.

What does this book prove to me? Nothing, it represents the opinions of a few old men who lived ages ago, there is no reason for me to worship their theories.

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[illriginalized]

Originally Posted by tenthirtytwo

The "10% of your brain" (or 15%) stuff is bull**** repeated by so called psychics and telepathics in order to explain their powers.

Find me one credible neurologist who agrees with the 10 or 15% statistic.

lol wait... really? Can you show me "psychics" and "telepathic people" claiming this?

Well after a little research.. I found out you and I are both wrong. It isn't "psychics or telepathic people" claiming this.

Barry Gordon at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine in Baltimore: Although there's no definitive culprit to pin the blame on for starting this legend, the notion has been linked to the American psychologist and author William James, who argued in The Energies of Men that "We are making use of only a small part of our possible mental and physical resources." It's also been associated with to Albert Einstein, who supposedly used it to explain his cosmic towering intellect.

The myth's durability, Gordon says, stems from people's conceptions about their own brains: they see their own shortcomings as evidence of the existence of untapped gray matter. This is a false assumption. What is correct, however, is that at certain moments in anyone's life, such as when we are simply at rest and thinking, we may be using only 10 percent of our brains.

"It turns out though, that we use virtually every part of the brain, and that [most of] the brain is active almost all the time," Gordon adds. "Let's put it this way: the brain represents three percent of the body's weight and uses 20 percent of the body's energy."

Source: http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=...rcent-of-brain

[tenthirtytwo]

Originally Posted by Danny23

lol wait... really? Can you show me "psychics" and "telepathic people" claiming this?

http://www.csicop.org/si/9903/ten-percent-myth.html

One reason this myth has endured is that it has been adopted by psychics and other paranormal pushers to explain psychic powers.

In Reason To Believe: A Practical Guide to Psychic Phenomena, author Michael Clark mentions a man named Craig Karges. Karges charges a lot of money for his "Intuitive Edge" program, designed to develop natural psychic abilities. Clark quotes Karges as saying: "We normally use only 10 to 20 percent of our minds. Think how different your life would be if you could utilize that other 80 to 90 percent known as the subconscious mind"

Even Uri Geller, who has made a career out of trying to convince people he can bend metal with his mind, trots out this little gem. This claim appears in his book Uri Geller's Mind-Power Book in the introduction: "Our minds are capable of remarkable, incredible feats, yet we don't use them to their full capacity. In fact, most of us only use about 10 per cent of our brains, if that. The other 90 per cent is full of untapped potential and undiscovered abilities, which means our minds are only operating in a very limited way instead of at full stretch. I believe that we once had full power over our minds. We had to, in order to survive, but as our world has become more sophisticated and complex we have forgotten many of the abilities we once had"

Well after a little research.. I found out you and I are both wrong. It isn't "psychics or telepathic people" claiming this.

No, just you are wrong. It is very commonly repeated by supposed psychics and telepaths (read: FRAUDS).

[Loser44]

Originally Posted by Ajulaks

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I tried to reply by quoting you but I dont know how to get it to work. I'm fairly new to the site. I will try to reply to your questions as best I can. I believe there were 4 questions.

1. True. Scientists will undoudtedly learn a lot more as time passes. Consider this though. The bible started to be written 3000 years ago. What did those old men know about science, biology, microbes, cells? Virtually nothing right? Just one basic truth that "SO FAR" hasnt been disproven. It takes LIFE to create LIFE. Energy to create energy. Even the most complex non-living matter, ie: diamonds,crystals,snowflakes are in no way similar to a basic living cell, with its membrane, ribosomes, nucleus, chromosomes, and so on. I guess I could still say I dont know how life started, but since I looked at both possibilities is it so unreasonable to believe in creation? It seems to be the more logical conclusion when you look at the facts.

2. Wow! Why is it that people who are Atheists assume that people who believe in God, or that the Bible is inspired of God are somehow incapable of independent thought? Can you tell me of any other book that that exists today that is intact from beginning to end and is over 3000 years old? Throughout history there have been many attempts to destroy the bible, all have failed. 1Peter1:25 says "The saying of Jehovah endures Forever." The Bible is still here. In fact 1988 Guinness book of world records says an estimated 2,500,000,000 were printed between 1815 & 1975. No book in history has done that. Translated into over 1800 different languages. It is accessable by over 95% of the planet. So far in my opinion God's Word is True. Am I being unreasonable?

3. The only way you can find out if God exists is to honestly and open-heartedly consider the evidence. Blind-Faith is not taught in the bible! Faith in God is based on evidence. The creation is evidence. The bible is evidence. The way God's word effects the lives of TRUE christians is evidence. Do you know what the bible says about the earth? Job26:7 says "God is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing." Isaiah40:22 says "There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth" How did these old men know the earth resembled a circle? Did they have the technology to know this. You ever seen a picture of the earth from space? Looks like a circle, hanging on nothing to me. Common knowledge was the earth was flat. God's instructions to the jews on Hygene and disease control are still relevant and work today Leviticus13:46, 52, Deuteronomy23:12-13 are just a few old old ones. Is it all just chance? Are we a cosmic accident? Are we afraid of being portrayed as stupid or unintelligent because we consider the facts without bias? Dont have to believe it. Just consider it.

4. The bible does not represent thoughts and theories of old men, but of God. There are many more scriptual examples I could give that shows Gods unending wisdom when teaching us to handle our families, friends, relationships, marriage, Mental, physical health, attitudes, so many things that if you actually applied the knowledge you learn and helped someone else to see the benefit. The whole world would be a better place. Please hit me back. I am running out of time, and wanted to express more truth. Do you have more? Need more detail about a topic. I'll be looking.

Peace

[-click_here-]

Originally Posted by Loser44

The delicate precise advanced ecosystems of earth are all orderly and make sense. Creation is a witness to how powerful and loving Jehovah-God is. I have even more biblical proof of god's existence. Please test me out, I'll try to answer your questions.

For millions of years life on earth was extinguished by big bang matter bombarding the planet flash boiling the oceans, destroying the atmosphere and raising enough dust to block out the sun, freezing the world.

As plants came into existence, they released their toxic waste product into the atmosphere, oxygen, which countless millions of creatures found deadly and apart from those who managed to escape deep under the ocean, they were exterminated from this landscape in an event labelled as an 'oxygen holocaust'.

290 million years ago continental shift caused death on a huge scale across the globe.

Ice ages every 1.5 million years, more death

99.99% of all species that ever existed are now extinct

Based on its current trajectory the earth will eventually rotate into the sun and be destroyed



Yes, balance, order, harmony.

[user6548735121400001321]

Originally Posted by -click_here-

For millions of years life on earth was extinguished by big bang matter bombarding the planet flash boiling the oceans, destroying the atmosphere and raising enough dust to block out the sun, freezing the world.

As plants came into existence, they released their toxic waste product into the atmosphere, oxygen, which countless millions of creatures found deadly and apart from those who managed to escape deep under the ocean, they were exterminated from this landscape in an event labelled as an 'oxygen holocaust'.

290 million years ago continental shift caused death on a huge scale across the globe.

Ice ages every 1.5 million years, more death

99.99% of all species that ever existed are now extinct

Based on its current trajectory the earth will eventually rotate into the sun and be destroyed



Yes, balance, order, harmony.

repped.

[illriginalized]

Originally Posted by tenthirtytwo

http://www.csicop.org/si/9903/ten-percent-myth.html

One reason this myth has endured is that it has been adopted by psychics and other paranormal pushers to explain psychic powers.

In Reason To Believe: A Practical Guide to Psychic Phenomena, author Michael Clark mentions a man named Craig Karges. Karges charges a lot of money for his "Intuitive Edge" program, designed to develop natural psychic abilities. Clark quotes Karges as saying: "We normally use only 10 to 20 percent of our minds. Think how different your life would be if you could utilize that other 80 to 90 percent known as the subconscious mind"

Even Uri Geller, who has made a career out of trying to convince people he can bend metal with his mind, trots out this little gem. This claim appears in his book Uri Geller's Mind-Power Book in the introduction: "Our minds are capable of remarkable, incredible feats, yet we don't use them to their full capacity. In fact, most of us only use about 10 per cent of our brains, if that. The other 90 per cent is full of untapped potential and undiscovered abilities, which means our minds are only operating in a very limited way instead of at full stretch. I believe that we once had full power over our minds. We had to, in order to survive, but as our world has become more sophisticated and complex we have forgotten many of the abilities we once had"



No, just you are wrong. It is very commonly repeated by supposed psychics and telepaths (read: FRAUDS).

Mine existed prior to this 1996 claim/book, so we're both wrong. Deal with it.. you can be wrong once in a while.

[Loser44]

Originally Posted by -click_here-

For millions of years life on earth was extinguished by big bang matter bombarding the planet flash boiling the oceans, destroying the atmosphere and raising enough dust to block out the sun, freezing the world.

As plants came into existence, they released their toxic waste product into the atmosphere, oxygen, which countless millions of creatures found deadly and apart from those who managed to escape deep under the ocean, they were exterminated from this landscape in an event labelled as an 'oxygen holocaust'.

290 million years ago continental shift caused death on a huge scale across the globe.

Ice ages every 1.5 million years, more death

99.99% of all species that ever existed are now extinct

Based on its current trajectory the earth will eventually rotate into the sun and be destroyed



Yes, balance, order, harmony.

Life existed on earth BEFORE the big bang? Earth existed before the Bang?Animal life existed still after the big bang matter hit the planet boiling oceans blocking the sun and freezing the world? Plants came into existence under those conditions? How did photosynthesis occur to produce oxygen? For millions of years? I'm interested. Never heard this point of view. Please tell me more. If the earth adjusted its orbit around the sun even a little bit one way or the other we would either freeze or fry long before going into the sun. Oxygen Halocaust? I must learn more. Can you recommend a book?

[tenthirtytwo]

Originally Posted by Danny23

Mine existed prior to this 1996 claim/book, so we're both wrong. Deal with it.. you can be wrong once in a while.

I said:

The "10% of your brain" (or 15%) stuff is bull**** repeated by so called psychics and telepathics in order to explain their powers.

You asked me to show you where these frauds were claiming this. I did.

Then you say "well, we are both wrong". Exactly what am I wrong about?

I think you've got a bit of psychological projection happening........again.

[illriginalized]

Right.. you claim it came from psychics and telapathtics... when in reality it came from a whole different source. Sorry you don't want to read what I posted up. The source wasn't from people claiming to be "telepathetic" or what have you.

[tenthirtytwo]

Originally Posted by Danny23

Right.. you claim it came from psychics and telapathtics... when in reality it came from a whole different source. Sorry you don't want to read what I posted up. The source wasn't from people claiming to be "telepathetic" or what have you.

I said:

The "10% of your brain" (or 15%) stuff is bull**** repeated by so called psychics and telepathics in order to explain their powers.

But please, embarrass yourself some more.

[shavenwookiee]

Sorry guys, but this thread has gone so crazy. I'm loving the quote:


"It takes energy to create energy"



LOL, nice.

[Loser44]

Originally Posted by shavenwookiee

Sorry guys, but this thread has gone so crazy. I'm loving the quote:


"It takes energy to create energy"



LOL, nice.

Sure!? Thats basic physical science. (I could be wrong, maybe I should open a textbook?) When you light a match you apply force to cause friction that causes the chemical reaction. It wont light if you just stare at it. You supplied the energy, force=energy. It is that way for EVERY energy source you use today. So it was in the beginning. Someone/something had to set all things into motion.

[PickItUp]

Originally Posted by ricflaironpcp

If you believe we came from a god, who made the god?

To ask such a question clearly shows a lack of understanding. God, by definition, has no creator.

[user6548735121400001321]

Originally Posted by Loser44

Sure!? Thats basic physical science. (I could be wrong, maybe I should open a textbook?) When you light a match you apply force to cause friction that causes the chemical reaction. It wont light if you just stare at it. You supplied the energy, force=energy. It is that way for EVERY energy source you use today. So it was in the beginning. Someone/something had to set all things into motion.

law of the conservation of energy?

[Loser44]

Originally Posted by blananana

Why should I believe God exists?

Out of all the people I wrote so far, this is the question that is the most sincere. It is a great question, and a natural one. At some point in their lives every honest hearted person has to ask this question. "Why should I believe God exists?"

I want to start out by giving you the bible's definition of FAITH.(I hope youre not turned off by scripture.)
"Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident DEMONSTRATION OF REALITIES THOUGH NOT BEHELD." Heb.11:1

No one is supposed to believe something without sound evidence. That would be un-intelligent. Genuine faith requires fundamental knowledge, accurate knowledge and an honest consideration of what that evidence indicates. Please I would like to share 2 more scriptures to go into the next point.

Psalms104:24 "How many your works are, O Jehovah! All of them in wisdom you have made. The earth is full of your productions."

Romans1:20 "His invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made."

What evidence is there that the universe and the earth could possibly be a product of an intelligent designer? Scientists have discovered over 100 chemical elements. Their atomic structure displays an intricate mathematical interrelationship between the elements. The periodic table of elements shows evidence of design. How could such an amazing design be accidental? A chance occurrence? Is there evidence something like this could happen without intelligence? Randomly?

Earth: -Just the right distance from the sun to support life, moves at just the right speed to be held in orbit, atmosphere made up of just the right proportion of gases to sustain life. Light from the sun, carbon dioxide from the air, water, and minerals from fertile soil miraculously combine to produce food for the planet's inhabitants. Is this the product of an uncontrolled explosion in space? Maybe? How so?

Matter: Scientists have learned that matter is a concentrated form of energy. Hence the nuclear explosion. Atoms contain enormous energy. When referring to the stars and planets the bible states in reference to Jehovah-God, "Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one of them is missing." Isaiah40:26.

If you found a precision time peice on the ground that worked, would you assume that it was formed by a random combination of dust particles or the product of an explosion? Probably not, youre going to assume someone pretty smart had to make this. So it is w/our Solar System. Precision!

If you saw a house in a vast dry desert fully stocked w/food and habitable, wouldnt you assume someone built it? So it is w/earth. Perfect for life.

Finally for those who reject the idea there could be an Almighty God because there are aspects about him that can not be comprehended by humans. Is that a good reason to unequivocally say:"There is no God"?

Time- Noone can pinpoint when time began. It is a fact that even though our lives end, time doesnt. We dont reject the idea of time because we dont fully understand it, we in fact live our lives by it.

Space- Astronomers cant determine where space begins or ends. Do they then reject what the EVIDENCE shows. Many admit that space may be infinite. That same principle applies to the existence of God.

They say the sun is 27,000,0000 degrees farenheit at its core. Do we reject that Idea because we cant comprehend heat that intense?

What is more reasonable??? The universe is the product of a living intelligent creator, or everything came about from a non living source just by chance.

Some people choose to believe there is no God because to believe otherwise would mean that they would have to acknowledge the existence of a creator that they cannot fully comprehend. It is a well known fact we dont comprehend nor fully understand many things ie: genes,cell growth, human brain, yet who would deny that they exist. Should we expect to know EVERYTHING about a being who could bring into existence the entire universe with its marvelous complexities and incredible size??

[lalalal]

Originally Posted by -click_here-

For millions of years life on earth was extinguished by big bang matter bombarding the planet flash boiling the oceans, destroying the atmosphere and raising enough dust to block out the sun, freezing the world.

As plants came into existence, they released their toxic waste product into the atmosphere, oxygen, which countless millions of creatures found deadly and apart from those who managed to escape deep under the ocean, they were exterminated from this landscape in an event labelled as an 'oxygen holocaust'.

290 million years ago continental shift caused death on a huge scale across the globe.

Ice ages every 1.5 million years, more death

99.99% of all species that ever existed are now extinct

Based on its current trajectory the earth will eventually rotate into the sun and be destroyed

wow i have never seen so many false statements in one post! ha ha ha.

big bang matter? THE EARTH AND EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE IS BIG BANG MATTER. wow that was a stupid "fact."

the supposed "oxygen holocaust" is a complete myth-theory that cannot be proven physiologically or scientifically. ha ha ha. way to post it with authority though.

an ice age EVERY 1.5 million years? someone should take a geology course and realize how stupid this is. (i.e. during the triassic-jurassic period there were millions and millions of years of tropical climate covering the majority of the globe. Why do you think we have so many oil and coal reserves found throughout the world?) wow you are ignorant and uneducated.

the current estimates are that 90% of the earth's species are extinct. But this may still be inflated. But 99.99%? you are ridiculous.

Lastly and THE FUNNIEST THING EVER, is your claim that the earth will eventually "rotate" into the sun?!! A HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!!!

WOW!!!! first of all, the earth doesn't "rotate" around the sun, it REVOLVES around the sun and it ROTATES on its axis (at a certain degree which results in the seasons) which gives us day and night.

Secondly, the earth follows an elliptical path (thank you Keplar). Which will NEVER result in the earth colliding with the sun! HA HA HA! this would DEFY the laws of physics (both Newtonian and Einsteinian) as the sun is the SOURCE of the earth's movement in the solar system (as it is for the other planets as well). WOW you are ignorant.

THE ONLY WAY that the earth and the sun will collide is if the sun, once it's fuel is depleted enough, becomes a red giant and doesn't have enough core mass to maintain it's current size. It would then expand and engulf the earth, however it would only be hot enough to destroy the outer shell would not melt the entire earth.

Thus the earth will NEVER "rotate into the sun" ha ha ha. unless the sun suddenly becomes more massive and dense (scientifically impossible unless another sun or a planet collide with it) the gravitational pull of the sun will remain constant or will actually deplete as it continues to burn off fuel and expend energy in the form of heat and light.

So take a science class before you start spewing false scientific "facts". WOW that made you look really stupid and ignorant.