emotion on cycle? depression?

[qwerty1234]

so I have 2 more weeks until cycles done.
I'm doing test prop
I did tren for about 3 or so weeks (I had one vial and used it up).

So the tren is gone.
But one thing I've noticed is weird emotional spikes. I'm blaming it on the short tren cycle (or jsut test in general)
I dunno if anyone else gets like me on cycle.

But I get pretty depressed at times--so depressed I don't want to do ****, like I lag energy to even grab food (which I grab despite lol) but the only thing I want to do is workout.
Is lame!

Sometimes I feel really good-elated, unstopable, and at other times I feel really down, depressed, slow etc.
I know its gotta be the juice ****ing with my head.

What really sucks is when its time for pct I'll prob become more depressed. lol


Help me out here guys! lol


pz

[YoungGunner24s]

With the tren spike, possible prolactin elevation.

grab some caber, high prolactin is related to depression.

Rule that out and see how you feel. But if you are having normal highs and lows, dont bother. It sounds like you are fine. At least you are able to get high.

[qwerty1234]

Originally Posted by YoungGunner24s

With the tren spike, possible prolactin elevation.

grab some caber, high prolactin is related to depression.

Rule that out and see how you feel. But if you are having normal highs and lows, dont bother. It sounds like you are fine. At least you are able to get high.

suggested dose of caber?
length of run?
I'm not to familiar with caber.
I have the standard ancilliarys on hand right now-and my nolva rdy for pct.


ya I may still be able to feel good--but it sux so bad sometimes I want to drop the cycle and the only reason I keep going is for the strength gains and size. lol
I've been feeling anti social lately as well.


I'm down to try anything.
caber @ IR good?

[Gorilla34]

personally I wouldn't use a liquid caber, but others here will disagree. I have heard too many things about how it doesn't last long before it goes bad. I have a friend who attests to that who knows his sh!t. It is expensive in pill form but worth it to know you get legit stuff. My $.02

edit: Oh yeah, .5 mg 2x a week is a good starting point.

[weissistschoen]

High RBC (red blood count)


Go donate a pint of blood.

[BigJayNJ]

Tren gives me depression, anxiety, mania, etc. Its like being bi-polar. Soon as it clears i am completely different.

[Reciprocity]

Originally Posted by weissistschoen

High RBC (red blood count)


Go donate a pint of blood.

Didn't you say the exact same thing in another thread? You sir have no clue what you're talking about.

[shortadonis]

Originally Posted by Gorilla34

personally I wouldn't use a liquid caber, but others here will disagree. I have heard too many things about how it doesn't last long before it goes bad. I have a friend who attests to that who knows his sh!t. It is expensive in pill form but worth it to know you get legit stuff. My $.02

edit: Oh yeah, .5 mg 2x a week is a good starting point.

I found the following in a study using cabergoline to stabilize interocular pressure. I think they were administering it in the eye, so the solution might have been unable to have certain things to stabilizize it since they were putting it directly in the eye. However I'm not sure.
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For example, cabergoline is hydrolytically unstable. It exhibits a significant degree of degradation in an aqueous environment at a neutral pH (i.e., it's T 90 at pH 7.0 and room temperature is less than 24 hours). It is relatively more soluble and stable at a pH in the range of 3 to 5 (i.e., it has been found to be relatively stable at a pH of 3 for up to 16 days), but compositions having an acidic pH may cause stinging when applied to the eye and therefore are not preferred.
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I questioned my research chem company, and they said the following:
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Hi, if this were true I believe the owners would have caught this information and discontinued the product years ago. I use this product reguarly and have no issues. It is suspended in an alcohol peg and glycerin for stability.
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I'm not sure what to think. Perhaps the alcohol peg and glycerin do keep it stable, I'm no chemist.

[tarrask]

Originally Posted by Reciprocity

Didn't you say the exact same thing in another thread? You sir have no clue what you're talking about.

lol
yes, he did

[YoungGunner24s]

Originally Posted by Reciprocity

Didn't you say the exact same thing in another thread? You sir have no clue what you're talking about.

I think he works for red cross.

[qwerty1234]

Originally Posted by BigJayNJ

Tren gives me depression, anxiety, mania, etc. Its like being bi-polar. Soon as it clears i am completely different.

lol thank God I'm not the only one.
Yes it is like being bi polar-and I didn't do a complete cycle either (of just tren) I only ran 1 10ml vial of tren @ 50-75mg eod besides weekends (mon-wend-friday).
Man I can see how intense a whole complete 10-12 week cycle of tren would be.
lol



pz

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by qwerty1234

lol thank God I'm not the only one.
Yes it is like being bi polar-and I didn't do a complete cycle either (of just tren) I only ran 1 10ml vial of tren @ 50-75mg eod besides weekends (mon-wend-friday).
Man I can see how intense a whole complete 10-12 week cycle of tren would be.
lol



pz

50-75mg ed, if you changed doses then there will be a change in blood levels causing you to feel like you do. Also missing the weekends will cause a change in blood levels. I've tried tren at 75mg eod and got anxiety issues. I'm just running 110mg ed now and im cool, that along side 300mg test e pw and 100mg prop ed. As this is my last cycle of the year I had some masteron left so I'm using 100mg ed aswell. I feel normal I guess.

I've never run this amount of high androgen's, I feel focused more as such as I can put myself in a zone straight away weather I wanna feel happy, aggressive or whatever.

[C. Griswald]

Originally Posted by raysmith

50-75mg ed, if you changed doses then there will be a change in blood levels causing you to feel like you do. Also missing the weekends will cause a change in blood levels. I've tried tren at 75mg eod and got anxiety issues. I'm just running 110mg ed now and im cool, that along side 300mg test e pw and 100mg prop ed. As this is my last cycle of the year I had some masteron left so I'm using 100mg ed aswell. I feel normal I guess.

I've never run this amount of high androgen's, I feel focused more as such as I can put myself in a zone straight away weather I wanna feel happy, aggressive or whatever.

i was gonna pm you yesterday, didnt know if you were still around

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by tech2

i was gonna pm you yesterday, didnt know if you were still around

Yeah go or it, I'll drop you my email aswell.

[Bodfather]

Originally Posted by raysmith

50-75mg ed, if you changed doses then there will be a change in blood levels causing you to feel like you do. Also missing the weekends will cause a change in blood levels. I've tried tren at 75mg eod and got anxiety issues. I'm just running 110mg ed now and im cool, that along side 300mg test e pw and 100mg prop ed. As this is my last cycle of the year I had some masteron left so I'm using 100mg ed aswell. I feel normal I guess.

I've never run this amount of high androgen's, I feel focused more as such as I can put myself in a zone straight away weather I wanna feel happy, aggressive or whatever.

Just running 110mg tren every day?
Damn thats a cycle!

[Deuce7788]

Originally Posted by raysmith

50-75mg ed, if you changed doses then there will be a change in blood levels causing you to feel like you do. Also missing the weekends will cause a change in blood levels. I've tried tren at 75mg eod and got anxiety issues. I'm just running 110mg ed now and im cool, that along side 300mg test e pw and 100mg prop ed. As this is my last cycle of the year I had some masteron left so I'm using 100mg ed aswell. I feel normal I guess.

I've never run this amount of high androgen's, I feel focused more as such as I can put myself in a zone straight away weather I wanna feel happy, aggressive or whatever.

So with a higher dose not giving you the same side effects, I'm geussing your relating the cause due to the fluctuation of the concentration of tren in your blood being greater EOD compared to ED? I'm going to be starting a tren cycle soon with prop and cyp as well. The tren is going to b ACE at 50mg/day definately hope I don't go into depression lol. I've heard a lot of mixed things as far as sides go. To each their own right...

[raysmith]

Originally Posted by Deuce7788

So with a higher dose not giving you the same side effects, I'm geussing your relating the cause due to the fluctuation of the concentration of tren in your blood being greater EOD compared to ED? I'm going to be starting a tren cycle soon with prop and cyp as well. The tren is going to b ACE at 50mg/day definately hope I don't go into depression lol. I've heard a lot of mixed things as far as sides go. To each their own right...

Yeah it is each to their own and you are going to find out only through your experiances. Some members dont have a problem with eod shots, I no someone who takes 2ml e3d and I haven't heard complain. Sikboy ran a ridiculouse high dose I beleive of 200mg ed and by week 3 felt like ****. So it may be you have to find the right dose. As I said this high dosed androgen cycle I am running now has made me feel differently than before, nothing bad but different.

[qwerty1234]

ya I only ran the tren eod becuase I only had 1 10ml vial and wanted to make it last as long as I could.
It was tren ace btw.
I'm also on test prop-typical 500mg p/week dose


So what do you guys think I can do right now to treat this depression/bi polar thing going on with me right now?
I hate it. I feel good-then in a minuite later I feel like ****-anti social, depressed, lame, loose concentration etc. lol

I was thinking some natural supplements-st. johns wort, 5htp, but I dunno if those would work fast enough??
Only AI I'm on right now is Adex for bloat which I used about eod-water rentention isn't that bad right now sense I'm not on dbol anymore.




pz

[YoungGunner24s]

Originally Posted by qwerty1234

ya I only ran the tren eod becuase I only had 1 10ml vial and wanted to make it last as long as I could.
It was tren ace btw.
I'm also on test prop-typical 500mg p/week dose


So what do you guys think I can do right now to treat this depression/bi polar thing going on with me right now?
I hate it. I feel good-then in a minuite later I feel like ****-anti social, depressed, lame, loose concentration etc. lol

I was thinking some natural supplements-st. johns wort, 5htp, but I dunno if those would work fast enough??
Only AI I'm on right now is Adex for bloat which I used about eod-water rentention isn't that bad right now sense I'm not on dbol anymore.




pz

Not sure I feel the same way. 5 HTP sucks for me. You can try it, some people rave about it.

I remember reading that it only has benefit for a certain type of person.

[qwerty1234]

fcuk man
I'm willing to try anything.
I just don't want to go the antidepressent way becuase I prob. don't need that.

[Juicaholic]

Originally Posted by qwerty1234

fcuk man
I'm willing to try anything.
I just don't want to go the antidepressent way becuase I prob. don't need that.

Don't use anti-depressents unless you really must. I have tried so many and I don't believe in them. You don't need more **** ****in' with your head. Sometimes I would get down if I was not making the gains I thought I would.

[qwerty1234]

ya I've pretty much hit my peak--getting hard to gain 1-2 lbs of muscle right now.
Strength however is still awesome and going way up.

I'm not a personal fan of anti depressants myself-never liked them.
I'm trying to find some natural alternatives.
st johns wort and 5htp are a couple that are noted all over the place.


pz

[Juicaholic]

Originally Posted by qwerty1234

ya I've pretty much hit my peak--getting hard to gain 1-2 lbs of muscle right now.
Strength however is still awesome and going way up.

I'm not a personal fan of anti depressants myself-never liked them.
I'm trying to find some natural alternatives.
st johns wort and 5htp are a couple that are noted all over the place.


pz

Good idea. And don't forget that you will likely lose some of that strength after your cycle. Don't let that get you down cause I know it bothers me sometimes.

[qwerty1234]

ya I didn't loose much strength at all from my last cycle once I was done with it.
I'll tell ya what made me loose strength--cutting.
lol
I cut for about 4 months (on purpose before this bulkup/cycle) but at first strength goes way down, eventually strength starts to come back up.


Weight gains are slowing down now.
But I finally broke my platue and gained another lb.
so now I'm 207-208lbs 5'9 @ 13% bodyfat. I gained about 17lbs or so from the cycle so far.
1 more week to go, I might push it to 12 weeks-we will see/
/



Anyhow-anymore advice on depression/mood swings while on cycle?


pz

[MMA Fun]

Yep, Im currently feeling that kind of depression myself, at least im not alone, but I too feel antisocial sometimes and dnt even feel like talkin to my gf or making her laugh like i normally do, Im known as a clown since I always make everyone laugh and tell them jokes, but latelly I've been just feeling down and my mind has been running 100miles and hour.

[helltownhero]

Originally Posted by qwerty1234

so I have 2 more weeks until cycles done.
I'm doing test prop
I did tren for about 3 or so weeks (I had one vial and used it up).

So the tren is gone.
But one thing I've noticed is weird emotional spikes. I'm blaming it on the short tren cycle (or jsut test in general)
I dunno if anyone else gets like me on cycle.

But I get pretty depressed at times--so depressed I don't want to do ****, like I lag energy to even grab food (which I grab despite lol) but the only thing I want to do is workout.
Is lame!

Sometimes I feel really good-elated, unstopable, and at other times I feel really down, depressed, slow etc.
I know its gotta be the juice ****ing with my head.

What really sucks is when its time for pct I'll prob become more depressed. lol


Help me out here guys! lol


pz

im going through the same thing ive been off 2 weeks now and i feel horible just keep a positive mind and it should pass in a month or two

[borderline]

I feel your pain bro. In my two test enanthate cycles experienced pretty bad mood swings and even more then being angry I was kind of depressed a lot of the time and definitely not as social as I typicaly am. To be honest, I feel better on PCT then i do on cycle! I use nolva only and I can notice an increase in energy and well being almost imediatly. When I'm on cycle all i want to do is lift and sleep, but that could also because we know that we are making big gains in the gym and it becomes priority over social life.

[qwerty1234]

sup bros.
I'm glad others feel my pain.
Last thursday was my last inject day.
Went from 185 to now 208 at a retaining 13% bodyfat on cycle though! So it was def. worth it.
I'm waiting a week now while dosing my hcg and I'll be starting my nolva treatment/pct.
I hope to God that pct helps improve my mindset-I've been pessimistic as FCUK lately.
And small things set me off. Like my friend was telling me he god a date lined up with some college chick from his class and I've been so anti social from when the quarter started two weeks ago I haven't even really talked to a girl becuase of my stupid anti-socialism. lol So upon hearing on his success I got mad at myself and it turned into depression--thank God I got to workout today and took some steam off. lol!


Because I'm usually a happy go-lucky guy, the life of the party, I like to meet new people etc. and I've been struggling lately being hella anti social.

pz

[qwerty1234]

All I've gotta say is thank God for hcg-hcg is awesome stuff.
The debate continues wheter its better to take it during, or after cylce, towards end of cycle, or during pct.
But whichever-its helping me regardless.
I start my nolve this coming Monday.

Confidence is going back up slowly as well as my anti socialness fading away.
Its occurring slowly but I'm def. noticing my mind more clear and less clouded now.


pz

[weissistschoen]

Originally Posted by Reciprocity

Didn't you say the exact same thing in another thread? You sir have no clue what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by tarrask

lol
yes, he did

Originally Posted by YoungGunner24s

I think he works for red cross.

Yep. I'm clueless :

Q : Are there symptoms I should recognize if my RBCs are dangerously low or high?


A : Fatigue may indicate a low or high RBC count. Fainting, pallor, shortness of breath, dizziness, and/or altered mental status can also indicate low RBCs. Disturbed vision, headache, and flushing may be present with increased numbers of RBCs.


Source : http://www.labtestsonline.org/unders...s/rbc/faq.html










A high RBC is caused by steroid use. It is possible the OP is feeling the above symptoms.

Source : http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hig...SECTION=causes



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