Dr. John Crisler.

[sharkbyte03]

Originally Posted by RasputinRules

FOOBAR!

Thankyou sir. Your entire response helped out a lot but specifically the parts I highlighted above most especially. TRUE - 80% better IS a hell of alot better than 10% or worse.. NO percent. That definately puts it into perspective.

Also I WILL mention everything. And spend a fair amount of time detailing it out as well (which will take some effort as I used a fair amount). I applaud your decision to remain inexepreienced with steroids foobar lol, BUT for those of us that HAVE used - we often get very battered and betrayed by doctors not willing to help us. Thankyou for realizing that but pushing me to put trust in Crisler anyways, I know he will work out (err BIG HOPES).

Lol anyways I will be in the AIR atleast 20 hours simply to go from Minneapolis Minnesota to Michigan and back... Guess that's what you get for booking 3 weeks in advance. I look @ it as a big adventure though - my life has been full of a lot of pain the last 2 years due to this terrible illness, if the only thing left in this terrible war is the battle to not die from sitting between 2 fattys in an airplane for 20 hours then I say bring on the finale fight for HEALTH. Anyways I digress... thankyou foobar.

I am sure it will be well worth it and go well.

[whitegato1488]

try a strong PCT or go to your local endo if you just want to get natural production going first to save some money. if it doses work then get the plain tickets. thats what i would do.

[sharkbyte03]

Originally Posted by RasputinRules

Thanks SharkByte. You're a true friend..

He is a good Physician, if you need TRT and nothing else works then he will put you on a TRT program, if that is not the case then I am sure a Vigirous Restart program will work.

I do wish you the best on your long trip, I just hope for continued treatment as well.

It is very difficult at our ages to have to go through this.

Keep me updated on how things go.

It is a long trip, however well worth it, so far.

[RasputinRules]

Originally Posted by sharkbyte03

He is a good Physician, if you need TRT and nothing else works then he will put you on a TRT program, if that is not the case then I am sure a Vigirous Restart program will work.

I do wish you the best on your long trip, I just hope for continued treatment as well.

It is very difficult at our ages to have to go through this.

Keep me updated on how things go.

It is a long trip, however well worth it, so far.

Thanks friend. I'll let everyone know how it goes.

Lance Armstrong said in his auto biography ("It's not about the Bike...") That he felt that getting cancer made him "lucky" because without the chance to beat cancer he never would have found the strength to win the Tour De France. Well I haven't beat this hypogonadism yet, not even close - but God did I learn about true strength from it. When this is all finished I want to write a short story (probably 30 pages or so) of how it changed me for the better... Course I'm not there yet.

Still though. I want to be the Lance Armstrong of Hypoganism. Thanks for supporting me everyone. When I get healthy I can't wait to be the one supporting you guys...

[RasputinRules]

My Chronology


2006 Summer I first began to use?.
SUBSTANCES:
For 3 Months time:
Testosterone Enanthate 750mg/Week
Trenabolene Acetate 75mg/Every other Day

SIDE EFFECTS/ PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
Loss of Libido/ED Problems
Mood Problems

DOCTORS SEEN:
Dr. Aaron Timmerman PCP


Fall College suspended me for multiple drinking offenses?.
SUBSTANCES:
Tamoxifene Citrate
Clomid
HCG

SIDE EFFECTS/PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
Significant Cognitive Sluggishness
Dark/Angry Moods
Loss Libido/ED Problems

DOCTORS SEEN:
Tom Burfeind School Psychologist

2007 Winter SUBSTANCES:
Tamoxifene Citrate
Clomid
HCG

SIDE EFFECTS/PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
Significant Cognitive Sluggishness
Dark/Angry Moods
Loss Libido/ED Problems

DOCTORS SEEN:
Dr. Weinberg Endocrinologist @ Park Nicollet Todd Mulliken Psychologist

Spring SUBSTANCES:
Tamoxifene Citrate
Clomid

SIDE EFFECTS/ PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
Significant Cognitive Sluggishness
Melancholy Moods
Loss Libido/ED Problems

DOCTORS SEEN:
Todd Mulliken Psychologist

Summer SUBSTANCES:
Toremifene Citrate
Raloxifene Citrate

SIDE EFFECTS/ PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
INCREASINGLY Significant Cognitive Sluggishness
Melancholy Moods
Loss Libido/ED Problems
Muscle Loss/Fat Gain

DOCTORS SEEN:
Dr. Weinberg Endocrinologist
Dr. Eric Larson Psychiatrist

Fall SUBSTANCES:
Toremifene Citrate
Raloxifene Citrate

SIDE EFFECTS/ PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
EXTREME Cognitive Sluggishness
Very Depressive Moods
Loss Libido/ED Problems
Severe Muscle Loss/Fat Gain
LETHARGY set in

DOCTORS SEEN:
Sally Mayor School Psychologist
Dr. John Doe School Psychiatrist







2008 Winter SUBSTANCES:
None

SIDE EFFECTS/PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
EXTREME Cognitive Sluggishness
Very Dramatic Mood Swings (Leading to Hospitalization)
Diagnosis: Bi-polar Disorder
Medications: Depakote/Abilify
Loss Libido/ED Problems
Muscle Aches
Significant Lethargy

DOCTORS SEEN:
Dr. Mark Pearson ? Psychiatry @ HCMC Minneapolis
Dr. Fish Endocrinologist @ Park Nicollet
Dr. John Odom MD Sports Medicine Doctor


Spring SUBSTANCES: Return steroid use (March)
Four weeks testosterone enanthate 500 mg/wk

SIDE EFFECTS/Negative PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
EXTREME Cognitive Sluggishness
Continued Depressive Moods
Loss Libido/ED Problems
Muscle Aches

DOCTORS SEEN:
Dr. Brian Schwieter ? Psychiatry/Edina, MN
Dr. John Crisler DO
Dr. Aaron Timmerman/Sally Kline PCP @ Park Nicollet



Current Medications: Zoloft
Abilify









THIS IS NOT THE TOTAL TRUTH.
I ALSO USED AAS for 3-6 week spurts about 3 other times in between here but I was semi-afraid to list it... Question... Should I mention all of it to Crisler? Also is there any info here I need to add or subtract do you think?

P.S. HONESTLY if you can't tell by reading this chronology I have tried to RESTART many many times to no avail. I honestly just want HRT @ this point. I'd liketo know what I can do to get to that point.... I know I am young...

[RasputinRules]

Can anyone offer up a critique?

[sharkbyte03]

I would say be honest with Dr Crisler, he will do what he can to help you.
Take or forward any medical documentation you think would be helpful as well for Dr Crisler.
He may be able to come up with a better more vigirous restart plan than what you have.
Sounds like you really may have supressed your HPTA with the various things you have taken.
Hopefully it can be fixed to make your levels go more back to normal.
Do you know your Testosterone levels Total Free LH, FSH etc?

These are some of the things that will help tell what the problem is.
Normally if LH is very high your testicles are not responding and may have atrophied. It is sad at young ages how difficult things can get.

Originally Posted by RasputinRules

My Chronology


2006 Summer I first began to use?.
SUBSTANCES:
For 3 Months time:
Testosterone Enanthate 750mg/Week
Trenabolene Acetate 75mg/Every other Day

SIDE EFFECTS/ PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
Loss of Libido/ED Problems
Mood Problems

DOCTORS SEEN:
Dr. Aaron Timmerman PCP


Fall College suspended me for multiple drinking offenses?.
SUBSTANCES:
Tamoxifene Citrate
Clomid
HCG

SIDE EFFECTS/PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
Significant Cognitive Sluggishness
Dark/Angry Moods
Loss Libido/ED Problems

DOCTORS SEEN:
Tom Burfeind School Psychologist

2007 Winter SUBSTANCES:
Tamoxifene Citrate
Clomid
HCG

SIDE EFFECTS/PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
Significant Cognitive Sluggishness
Dark/Angry Moods
Loss Libido/ED Problems

DOCTORS SEEN:
Dr. Weinberg Endocrinologist @ Park Nicollet Todd Mulliken Psychologist

Spring SUBSTANCES:
Tamoxifene Citrate
Clomid

SIDE EFFECTS/ PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
Significant Cognitive Sluggishness
Melancholy Moods
Loss Libido/ED Problems

DOCTORS SEEN:
Todd Mulliken Psychologist

Summer SUBSTANCES:
Toremifene Citrate
Raloxifene Citrate

SIDE EFFECTS/ PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
INCREASINGLY Significant Cognitive Sluggishness
Melancholy Moods
Loss Libido/ED Problems
Muscle Loss/Fat Gain

DOCTORS SEEN:
Dr. Weinberg Endocrinologist
Dr. Eric Larson Psychiatrist

Fall SUBSTANCES:
Toremifene Citrate
Raloxifene Citrate

SIDE EFFECTS/ PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
EXTREME Cognitive Sluggishness
Very Depressive Moods
Loss Libido/ED Problems
Severe Muscle Loss/Fat Gain
LETHARGY set in

DOCTORS SEEN:
Sally Mayor School Psychologist
Dr. John Doe School Psychiatrist







2008 Winter SUBSTANCES:
None

SIDE EFFECTS/PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
EXTREME Cognitive Sluggishness
Very Dramatic Mood Swings (Leading to Hospitalization)
Diagnosis: Bi-polar Disorder
Medications: Depakote/Abilify
Loss Libido/ED Problems
Muscle Aches
Significant Lethargy

DOCTORS SEEN:
Dr. Mark Pearson ? Psychiatry @ HCMC Minneapolis
Dr. Fish Endocrinologist @ Park Nicollet
Dr. John Odom MD Sports Medicine Doctor


Spring SUBSTANCES: Return steroid use (March)
Four weeks testosterone enanthate 500 mg/wk

SIDE EFFECTS/Negative PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS:
EXTREME Cognitive Sluggishness
Continued Depressive Moods
Loss Libido/ED Problems
Muscle Aches

DOCTORS SEEN:
Dr. Brian Schwieter ? Psychiatry/Edina, MN
Dr. John Crisler DO
Dr. Aaron Timmerman/Sally Kline PCP @ Park Nicollet



Current Medications: Zoloft
Abilify









THIS IS NOT THE TOTAL TRUTH.
I ALSO USED AAS for 3-6 week spurts about 3 other times in between here but I was semi-afraid to list it... Question... Should I mention all of it to Crisler? Also is there any info here I need to add or subtract do you think?

P.S. HONESTLY if you can't tell by reading this chronology I have tried to RESTART many many times to no avail. I honestly just want HRT @ this point. I'd liketo know what I can do to get to that point.... I know I am young...

[Gr3g_Lycan]

Tell him everything. You may have damaged your Leydig cells in the testis which means you cannot produce enough T. This could account for cognitive problems/depression. You make need "kickstarting" your T production, but if thats not possible, you may need T for life.

My sister is a psychiatric nurse and deals with drug overdose patients all the time, some are in psychosis and will never be released. You may have to accept that you are an ex-drug addict with permanent psych problems.

[RasputinRules]

Originally Posted by GregT

Tell him everything. You may have damaged your Leydig cells in the testis which means you cannot produce enough T. This could account for cognitive problems/depression. You make need "kickstarting" your T production, but if thats not possible, you may need T for life.

My sister is a psychiatric nurse and deals with drug overdose patients all the time, some are in psychosis and will never be released. You may have to accept that you are an ex-drug addict with permanent psych problems.

The last part of your reply seems a little severe... Permanent Psych Problems from being an ex drug addict? Wheres Tawney?

[Pinback]

it is a little severe..

listen dude, your 21, i'm 19. I'm on TRT, just got on it a little over a week ago.

my doctor prescribed me lexapro, an AD, when i told him my symptoms. i never took the AD's, i just got on TRT because my T was at 240. a week later, i feel much better, depression and anxiety almost gone and getting better.

you must realize that at this age (17-25) life is shaky, and at times every teenager believes that they are going crazy. low T just perpetuates it.

my advice is to get off the anti-d's under supervision of your doc. and get on trt, get in the gym to work off that stress, and have patience. work the **** out of your depression, and as soon as you start feeling like a man again, the depression will lift.

again, JMO

[Gr3g_Lycan]

Originally Posted by RasputinRules

The last part of your reply seems a little severe... Permanent Psych Problems from being an ex drug addict? Wheres Tawney?

As I said, my sister works in a psychiatric hospital & treats people with drug-induced mental conditions all the time.

http://www.cyh.com/Archive/NewsDetai...?p=181&id=3689
What is drug-induced psychosis?
14 Jul 2008

Psychosis a major disorder of the way the brain works, which affects thinking and the way that people experience the world around them. They may hear, see or feel things that are not really there.

When someone has 'drug-induced psychosis', it means that drugs have affected their thinking. 'Sketching out', 'losing it' or 'freaking out' are ways people may describe these negative effects of drug use.

Sometimes these effects will go away once the person stops using the drug, but for other people, problems with thinking can be ongoing. Once triggered, psychotic conditions can be hard to treat, and anti-psychotic medication may be needed.

[RasputinRules]

Originally Posted by GregT

As I said, my sister works in a psychiatric hospital & treats people with drug-induced mental conditions all the time.

http://www.cyh.com/Archive/NewsDetai...?p=181&id=3689
What is drug-induced psychosis?
14 Jul 2008

Psychosis a major disorder of the way the brain works, which affects thinking and the way that people experience the world around them. They may hear, see or feel things that are not really there.

When someone has 'drug-induced psychosis', it means that drugs have affected their thinking. 'Sketching out', 'losing it' or 'freaking out' are ways people may describe these negative effects of drug use.

Sometimes these effects will go away once the person stops using the drug, but for other people, problems with thinking can be ongoing. Once triggered, psychotic conditions can be hard to treat, and anti-psychotic medication may be needed.

Dude.

NO.

Thanks anyways.

[RasputinRules]

Originally Posted by Pinback

it is a little severe..

listen dude, your 21, i'm 19. I'm on TRT, just got on it a little over a week ago.

my doctor prescribed me lexapro, an AD, when i told him my symptoms. i never took the AD's, i just got on TRT because my T was at 240. a week later, i feel much better, depression and anxiety almost gone and getting better.

you must realize that at this age (17-25) life is shaky, and at times every teenager believes that they are going crazy. low T just perpetuates it.

my advice is to get off the anti-d's under supervision of your doc. and get on trt, get in the gym to work off that stress, and have patience. work the **** out of your depression, and as soon as you start feeling like a man again, the depression will lift.

again, JMO

Thanks for the common sense good advice pinback. Much appreciated.

[sharkbyte03]

Originally Posted by Pinback

it is a little severe..

listen dude, your 21, i'm 19. I'm on TRT, just got on it a little over a week ago.

my doctor prescribed me lexapro, an AD, when i told him my symptoms. i never took the AD's, i just got on TRT because my T was at 240. a week later, i feel much better, depression and anxiety almost gone and getting better.

you must realize that at this age (17-25) life is shaky, and at times every teenager believes that they are going crazy. low T just perpetuates it.

my advice is to get off the anti-d's under supervision of your doc. and get on trt, get in the gym to work off that stress, and have patience. work the **** out of your depression, and as soon as you start feeling like a man again, the depression will lift.

again, JMO

This is very true for some of us...

[sharkbyte03]

Originally Posted by GregT

As I said, my sister works in a psychiatric hospital & treats people with drug-induced mental conditions all the time.

http://www.cyh.com/Archive/NewsDetai...?p=181&id=3689
What is drug-induced psychosis?
14 Jul 2008

Psychosis a major disorder of the way the brain works, which affects thinking and the way that people experience the world around them. They may hear, see or feel things that are not really there.

When someone has 'drug-induced psychosis', it means that drugs have affected their thinking. 'Sketching out', 'losing it' or 'freaking out' are ways people may describe these negative effects of drug use.

Sometimes these effects will go away once the person stops using the drug, but for other people, problems with thinking can be ongoing. Once triggered, psychotic conditions can be hard to treat, and anti-psychotic medication may be needed.

I have also studied Psychology also and lets not give the poor guy more of a rough time than what he is having. It will not help matters..

[RasputinRules]

JUST GOT BACK FROM CRISLERS
...........................................
Will let everyone know what is up. But first I'm gonna sleep off the jetlag a lil...

[foobar16]

Great! Get some rest and let us know how it turned out.

[RasputinRules]

I did 20 hours of traveling through international airports and only ended up moderately sick on completion. Seeing as one of those international airports (the one I had to sleep in) was Atlanta I am proud of my Immune System in "Holding the Line".... ANYWAYS

Dr. John Crisler- GREAT GUY.

The first thing this gentleman told me (which he repeated 3 more times) was "believe me Joel I have No Problems with putting you on Testosterone and should this restart fail we will IMMEDIATELY do just that"....

So calming. It told me RIGHT OFF THE BAT - my trip had been worth it, this man is not going to make me jump anymore hoops because he RECOGNIZES all the hoops I have already hopped through. Solid.

*HISHTORY*
Although I have run failed PCT after FAILED PCT I had only run One single 5 week tamoxifene Citrate cycle through him (it went no where in honesty).

*PLAN*
In John Crisler's personal words we will be running (after my initial blood work tests of course) a "SEVERE RESTART PROTOCOL"... Beefed up Tamoxifene and BEEFED up ARIMIDEX to pound estrogen into the ground.

*HONEST FACTOR*
I don't think the restart will work honestly. To this extent I will admit that I am kinda of simply going along with his words and direction simply for HIS OWN peace of mind. ***LETS BE EVEN MORE HONEST*** unfortunately at every level of HRT it's always PARTLY A GAME... But with that said I will give this potential restart a FIRM TRY (and hope for the best)....

---Should it FAIL---
He said we will start me on Testim (all doctors it appear start patients on Testim). So, I figure I have one month more of somehwat pointless pct meandering and then most LIKELY I will start on TESTIM.

JOHN CRISLER---->
I want to EMPHASISE to everyone that this guy is "THE ONE" for HRT.
I F*cked around for so long on my own guys. When that failed I tried word of mouth doctors which were all timid tepid weeners all with BIG EGOS (but without the Crisler experience to back it up - p.s. Mayo Clinic is NOT the place for HRT). Other People have said John himself can be a tad egotistical, maybe - but personally I think it mostly appears that way because his personality is no BullSH*T. My initial reaction of him has been positive.

So far I am hopeful. I have honestly JUST BEGUN this HRT process. Actually HRT wont be for atleast 30 days. I will keep you guys informed on every inch of the way though.

Thanks everyone for looking out

[Pinback]

excellent man, i'm really happy for you.

gotta feel good to be in the hands of a good T doctor.

[phatkid77]

no HCG....weird??

[RasputinRules]

Originally Posted by phatkid77

no HCG....weird??

Yeah - he didn't mention it. I thought weird too...

[RasputinRules]

Originally Posted by Pinback

excellent man, i'm really happy for you.

gotta feel good to be in the hands of a good T doctor.

YOu got no idea right? haha thanks though...

[sharkbyte03]

Originally Posted by RasputinRules

I did 20 hours of traveling through international airports and only ended up moderately sick on completion. Seeing as one of those international airports (the one I had to sleep in) was Atlanta I am proud of my Immune System in "Holding the Line".... ANYWAYS

Dr. John Crisler- GREAT GUY.

The first thing this gentleman told me (which he repeated 3 more times) was "believe me Joel I have No Problems with putting you on Testosterone and should this restart fail we will IMMEDIATELY do just that"....

So calming. It told me RIGHT OFF THE BAT - my trip had been worth it, this man is not going to make me jump anymore hoops because he RECOGNIZES all the hoops I have already hopped through. Solid.

*HISHTORY*
Although I have run failed PCT after FAILED PCT I had only run One single 5 week tamoxifene Citrate cycle through him (it went no where in honesty).

*PLAN*
In John Crisler's personal words we will be running (after my initial blood work tests of course) a "SEVERE RESTART PROTOCOL"... Beefed up Tamoxifene and BEEFED up ARIMIDEX to pound estrogen into the ground.

*HONEST FACTOR*
I don't think the restart will work honestly. To this extent I will admit that I am kinda of simply going along with his words and direction simply for HIS OWN peace of mind. ***LETS BE EVEN MORE HONEST*** unfortunately at every level of HRT it's always PARTLY A GAME... But with that said I will give this potential restart a FIRM TRY (and hope for the best)....

---Should it FAIL---
He said we will start me on Testim (all doctors it appear start patients on Testim). So, I figure I have one month more of somehwat pointless pct meandering and then most LIKELY I will start on TESTIM.

JOHN CRISLER---->
I want to EMPHASISE to everyone that this guy is "THE ONE" for HRT.
I F*cked around for so long on my own guys. When that failed I tried word of mouth doctors which were all timid tepid weeners all with BIG EGOS (but without the Crisler experience to back it up - p.s. Mayo Clinic is NOT the place for HRT). Other People have said John himself can be a tad egotistical, maybe - but personally I think it mostly appears that way because his personality is no BullSH*T. My initial reaction of him has been positive.

So far I am hopeful. I have honestly JUST BEGUN this HRT process. Actually HRT wont be for atleast 30 days. I will keep you guys informed on every inch of the way though.

Thanks everyone for looking out

Congragulations, sounds good, he knows what he is doing, hopefully a vigirous restart will work for you.

I wish you the best.

[sharkbyte03]

Originally Posted by RasputinRules

Yeah - he didn't mention it. I thought weird too...

He Taylors the protocol based on the patient, so you are in good hands I would definatley go through with what he recommends with the restart, he may just surprise you as perhaps a restart may work if you dedicate yourself to it.

You are definatley in good hands.

[foobar16]

Glad to hear it went well. I know the restart may be a pain, but my *guess* at the idea behind it is this: putting someone our age on TRT is a lifelong decision with unknown long term consequences. When someone has low testosterone and the accompanying health and quality of life issues you have, and nothing else works, the decision is easy to start TRT. But if there're any other safer options, they're worth exploring first. Give it a shot, and if it doesn't work, Dr. Crisler should start you on testosterone in a heartbeat.

As for the HCG, my *guess* is that he's trying to see if your own body can produce LH on its own to signal your testes to produce more testosterone. If you add HCG into the mix and your testosterone levels normalize, you can't tell if your natural increase in LH was enough to do it on it's own(in which case you're restarted, and don't need TRT), or if you needed the HCG as a crutch(in which case you need TRT, or at very minimum, HCG for the rest of your life).

[sharkbyte03]

Originally Posted by RasputinRules

I did 20 hours of traveling through international airports and only ended up moderately sick on completion. Seeing as one of those international airports (the one I had to sleep in) was Atlanta I am proud of my Immune System in "Holding the Line".... ANYWAYS

Dr. John Crisler- GREAT GUY.

The first thing this gentleman told me (which he repeated 3 more times) was "believe me Joel I have No Problems with putting you on Testosterone and should this restart fail we will IMMEDIATELY do just that"....

So calming. It told me RIGHT OFF THE BAT - my trip had been worth it, this man is not going to make me jump anymore hoops because he RECOGNIZES all the hoops I have already hopped through. Solid.

*HISHTORY*
Although I have run failed PCT after FAILED PCT I had only run One single 5 week tamoxifene Citrate cycle through him (it went no where in honesty).

*PLAN*
In John Crisler's personal words we will be running (after my initial blood work tests of course) a "SEVERE RESTART PROTOCOL"... Beefed up Tamoxifene and BEEFED up ARIMIDEX to pound estrogen into the ground.

*HONEST FACTOR*
I don't think the restart will work honestly. To this extent I will admit that I am kinda of simply going along with his words and direction simply for HIS OWN peace of mind. ***LETS BE EVEN MORE HONEST*** unfortunately at every level of HRT it's always PARTLY A GAME... But with that said I will give this potential restart a FIRM TRY (and hope for the best)....

---Should it FAIL---
He said we will start me on Testim (all doctors it appear start patients on Testim). So, I figure I have one month more of somehwat pointless pct meandering and then most LIKELY I will start on TESTIM.

JOHN CRISLER---->
I want to EMPHASISE to everyone that this guy is "THE ONE" for HRT.
I F*cked around for so long on my own guys. When that failed I tried word of mouth doctors which were all timid tepid weeners all with BIG EGOS (but without the Crisler experience to back it up - p.s. Mayo Clinic is NOT the place for HRT). Other People have said John himself can be a tad egotistical, maybe - but personally I think it mostly appears that way because his personality is no BullSH*T. My initial reaction of him has been positive.

So far I am hopeful. I have honestly JUST BEGUN this HRT process. Actually HRT wont be for atleast 30 days. I will keep you guys informed on every inch of the way though.

Thanks everyone for looking out

Testim would be best or a gel as it mimicks the hormones better than injections of a young person and you have consistant levels rather than peaks and vallies, it would be normalized which normally is better for guys our ages.

[Gr3g_Lycan]

Originally Posted by phatkid77

no HCG....weird??

hGC would be of use if leutinising hormone is low. I would suspect LH has been tested and found to be OK, its just the testes are not responding by producing T. Then then only way to "jump start" T production would be using an AI to reduce E, which is what is being done.
At least that's my reasoning.

RasputinRules I would do exactly as the dr says, its better to have some natural T production than none.

[RasputinRules]

Originally Posted by sharkbyte03

Testim would be best or a gel as it mimicks the hormones better than injections of a young person

Intersting. Could you tell me more sharkbyte? They mimick the hormones better of a "young person"? How exactly does this differentiate from an older person?... This is defintely kind of a poignant specific little statement, what precisely do ya mean?

[sharkbyte03]

Originally Posted by RasputinRules

Intersting. Could you tell me more sharkbyte? They mimick the hormones better of a "young person"? How exactly does this differentiate from an older person?... This is defintely kind of a poignant specific little statement, what precisely do ya mean?

The hormones are more steady and do not have as many ups and downs, also in additional to that you would more cnsistant levels if the gel works for you.
A lot of guys I have heard have been happy with the gels because it does not give the peaks and valleys as do the injections.
You have less risk of infection as well and do nto have to use injections.
You keep a more constant and steady hormone level on the gels.
With injections at first you have a peak then the levels go down, until the next injection.
Weekly injections are known to work best however if gels do not work for you, in the event you do go on gels.
Normally they work well unless you have a thyroid problem or some kind of other type of problem.
Most Physicians in the filed of TRT/HRT would agree that after what they have seen that Gels are the best way to go.
If it is a life long thing also at such young ages we would want what is best for us.
If one tube does not work then I am sure that 2 tubes would definatley work of testim under most normal conditions.
I would definatley give it a shot.

So many people are against Gel's however really this is most likley because they are not really obtained for bodybuilding and at theraputic levels are not really what a body builder is looking for to do a steroid cycle sometimes, so that is why so many people have been so negative about it.

I could provide more details however a bit limited on time.

I would first give the restart a good shot and wait a while to see how that works out.

I have heard of bodybuilders who have done massive amounts of steroids who have been able to restart so keep your fingers crossed and your hopes up.

[sharkbyte03]

Originally Posted by GregT

hGC would be of use if leutinising hormone is low. I would suspect LH has been tested and found to be OK, its just the testes are not responding by producing T. Then then only way to "jump start" T production would be using an AI to reduce E, which is what is being done.
At least that's my reasoning.

RasputinRules I would do exactly as the dr says, its better to have some natural T production than none.

Agreeable