Carbs the biggest dilemma

[turbolag87]

some of the posts make me laugh on this thread. I went from a high carb protein diet to my anabolic diet and am LOVING IT. DId i have sideeffects for the first 14 days.. YES, Did my lifts temporaly fall... YES, Was my energy low.. oh HELL yes. Im on day 56ish or something like that of my anabolic diet and i feel 10x more energetic now that when i was on my high carb diet. No more crashes during teh day, im never tired unless i work my ass off all day (which is every day lol) My lifts are now stronger, im at 10% bf now as opposed to 13% 3 months ago and i look great. I respect food that much more being on this diet cause i have my 36hr carbup period which i enjoy. I will NEVER go back to my high carb diet as im loving this... but I'll tell you one thing , Once your body adapts to burning fat as a fuel ( FULLY THOU) u can pretty much eat anything and no gain weight. I have no light headed feelings anymore if i dont eat all day, no more stupid ass cravings of pasta and bread.

To you guys who said that you cannot gain weight on keto ?? LOL u guys are morons and should first test out the diet PROPERLY. Studies have shown that high fat diets are better for you, lower ur cholestorel, Improve libido and slow down aging. I'll stick to my BAD diet and you guys can stick to what works for you.. thats what really counts at the end guys.

Btw today is my carbup day.. Mmmmm Cake, pasta lol


P.S I do ingest 50 grams of honey after my workouts for insulin spike...

[lilbuck]

Well I have scene lots of people get results from lots of different diets. Really it is all about your body and how it works and you have to experiment. Every ones body absorbs different food differently. What works for you may not work for some one else. My husband for example lives off just protein and healthy fats and little to no crabs, and that works wonders for him he is big and lean all the time. Where some people would be with out energy and flat. If my husband eats high carb diets his body shuts down and he gets fat and lethargic. I suggest also looking at your blood type and eating what your blood type recommends, 9 times out of ten I have seen that work.

[hooked4life]

"I think I need carbs for anabolism but I get bad side effects."

Side effects from carbs ... you make them sound like some kind of drug

[hooked4life]

Originally Posted by lilbuck

Well I have scene lots of people get results from lots of different diets. Really it is all about your body and how it works and you have to experiment. Every ones body absorbs different food differently. What works for you may not work for some one else. My husband for example lives off just protein and healthy fats and little to no crabs, and that works wonders for him he is big and lean all the time. Where some people would be with out energy and flat. If my husband eats high carb diets his body shuts down and he gets fat and lethargic. I suggest also looking at your blood type and eating what your blood type recommends, 9 times out of ten I have seen that work.

Ohh come on, that would require common sense, self reliance and not adhering to some food dogma. This is BB.com nutrition section. Few can handle your advice :P

[imccarthy]

Originally Posted by lilbuck

I suggest also looking at your blood type and eating what your blood type recommends, 9 times out of ten I have seen that work.

I call BS.

[hooked4life]

"I suggest also looking at your blood type and eating what your blood type recommends, 9 times out of ten I have seen that work."

Missed this ... wow ... I call bs too

[Ibballard]

Originally Posted by lilbuck

My husband for example lives off just protein and healthy fats and little to no crabs

Those little crustacean f*cks are the leading cause of obesity in America today.

[battousai216]

Originally Posted by MarkVI

You ever try it? Didn't think so -- I have, doesn't work.

i have, it worked, cost too much though.

This thread is bull****.

I have made a couple stunning discoveries.

1.every single person here knows more then anyone esle and only their way can possibly work for anyone else. Non debatable. I ARE RIGHT CAUSE I TRIED ONE WAY AND IT WORKED SO ITS THE ONLY WAY THAT CAN WORK FOR ANYBODY>

2.1 is wrong, different things work for different people.



When it comes to a balance of building muscle while keeping fat off carb cycling worked best while bulking. If i plateau i do a week or two of keto and bust through it every time. Keto worked best for me in terms of rate of fat loss, muscle preserved, and (brace yourself) i had more energy.

that is what works for me. I've tried half a dozen different diets for both bulking and cutting so i know it works FOR ME. You wanna know what works for you? it might not be the only thing you've ever done, instead experiment closesly monitor you progress and then decide.

EDIT: never heard of someone suggesting no carbs though, very low carbs yes, but not no. The only time i hear about no carb is when people are trying to explain why keto wont work.

[turbolag87]

Originally Posted by battousai216

i have, it worked, cost too much though.

This thread is bull****.

I have made a couple stunning discoveries.

1.every single person here knows more then anyone esle and only their way can possibly work for anyone else. Non debatable. I ARE RIGHT CAUSE I TRIED ONE WAY AND IT WORKED SO ITS THE ONLY WAY THAT CAN WORK FOR ANYBODY>

2.1 is wrong, different things work for different people.



When it comes to a balance of building muscle while keeping fat off carb cycling worked best while bulking. If i plateau i do a week or two of keto and bust through it every time. Keto worked best for me in terms of rate of fat loss, muscle preserved, and (brace yourself) i had more energy.

that is what works for me. I've tried half a dozen different diets for both bulking and cutting so i know it works FOR ME. You wanna know what works for you? it might not be the only thing you've ever done, instead experiment closesly monitor you progress and then decide.

EDIT: never heard of someone suggesting no carbs though, very low carbs yes, but not no. The only time i hear about no carb is when people are trying to explain why keto wont work.

Very well said and how exactly how i feel and what worked for me as well.

Repped

[skinnydude]

Originally Posted by hooked4life

"I think I need carbs for anabolism but I get bad side effects."

Side effects from carbs ... you make them sound like some kind of drug

Sugar is a drug

[scitalian]

Originally Posted by RU4A69

I think me and Beej are the only ones who can gain weight with very low carbs. Worth a shot.

Glycogen is VERY important for muscle growth, but the body can actually resynthesize glycogen (although not nearly as much or as quickly) without dietary carbs.

Protein, not carbohydrate, is stored as muscle tissue. Carbs are stored as water, fat, and glycogen; neither of which are contractile. Higher insulin levels with protein means greater anabolic effect; BUT protein stimulates insulin by itself, just not to the same degree.

It's prolly not doable for most of you, but you guys shouldn't say it's "impossible." Vince Gironda strongly endorsed low carb bulking. Just sayin....

btw, if glucose was the bodies' "preferred source of energy," why doesn't the body store (for times of famine) several weeks worth of glycogen instead of preferentially storing a significant depot of fat?

explain......If you're saying what I'm thinking then this is absolutely wrong.

[DeathCereal]

Originally Posted by scitalian

explain......If you're saying what I'm thinking then this is absolutely wrong.

I think he's saying that muscle is made of protein.

[samk312]

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

U mad I actually have pictures up and have shown people you moronic poop?

where they at?

[hooked4life]

Originally Posted by skinnydude

Sugar is a drug

How so?

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by samk312

where they at?

I have nothing to prove to you or your other accounts... My guess is you're either one of the forum regulars afraid to call me out on you're other name, you're Sibrek or Jinglealltheway, or some boob who likes anal intercourse.

Jus' Sayin'

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by scitalian

explain......If you're saying what I'm thinking then this is absolutely wrong.

You don't need carbohydrates to build muscle.

Jus' Sayin,

[samk312]

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

I have nothing to prove to you or your other accounts... My guess is you're either one of the forum regulars afraid to call me out on you're other name, you're Sibrek or Jinglealltheway, or some boob who likes anal intercourse.

Jus' Sayin'

so you're gonna talk about how big/great you are, and then not prove it?


you pansy

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by samk312

so you're gonna talk about how big/great you are, and then not prove it?


you pansy

U mad u can't tell me your other bb.com username?


U pansy.

[mc4_a]

It isn't hard to test this. Do a few months of high carbs and then do a month of low carbs. See how your performance and gains are on both.

If I don't eat 45/35/20 I wont gain much at all.

[kvdoherty]

ok so ive been thinking about this alot for the past week. I tried keto when i got to school this year for a week and a half and did one carb up at the end of that time (this carb up is kinda why i ended it). The first week i know i was suppose to feel cloudy etc. But i couldnt take it and was scared that it would start effecting my class work.

Since i feel that a low carb diet benefits me best (look wise) I would like to stick to some form of a low carb diet. I wanted to know if i did a diet consisting of 40, 20, 40 would i still be able to lose fat or would i be using both carbs and fat as energy thus negating the point of a low carb diet?

I was thinking maybe one serving of carbs a day around 3pm because this is when i tend to feel im lacking alot of energy when at school. i know i should prob keep it around my workouts but i feel energy wise i would need it mid way through my day. What do u guys think? Has anyone tried this and what kind of results have u gotten?

[kvdoherty]

Originally Posted by kvdoherty

ok so ive been thinking about this alot for the past week. I tried keto when i got to school this year for a week and a half and did one carb up at the end of that time (this carb up is kinda why i ended it). The first week i know i was suppose to feel cloudy etc. But i couldnt take it and was scared that it would start effecting my class work.

Since i feel that a low carb diet benefits me best (look wise) I would like to stick to some form of a low carb diet. I wanted to know if i did a diet consisting of 40, 20, 40 would i still be able to lose fat or would i be using both carbs and fat as energy thus negating the point of a low carb diet?

I was thinking maybe one serving of carbs a day around 3pm because this is when i tend to feel im lacking alot of energy when at school. i know i should prob keep it around my workouts but i feel energy wise i would need it mid way through my day. What do u guys think? Has anyone tried this and what kind of results have u gotten?

anyone??

would a 40 20 40 promote fat loss with the moderate carbs or would the use of both carbs and fat cause just a fat gain?

[skinnydude]

I'm now thinking carbs ain't bad and should be part of the diet but the only carbs should be eating is fruit.

Quite a bit of fruit, fruit unlike other carbs don't mess up your sugar(diabates etc), provides vitamins and minerals, soluble fiber, cleanses the body..it would balance any dirty damage from all the meat.

Unlike grains there's no allergy proteins, harsh fibres other dodgy things phytic acid etc...and the body absorbs them easily and quickly

It makes sense to me.

[albert88]

I'm at work so I didn't read all the posts but I can add...

I did Keto up to this Friday that just passed and at first I liked it (after the first 2 or 3 days) but then I just couldn't stand how I looked (flat, skinny...etc). So here's what I'm doing now and I would appreciate if the educated crowd (like RU4A69) can chime in:

My Goal : burn fat in the mornings on the treadmill, then build muscle rest of the day

My Diet/Routine
E + C pills at 7AM - Walk on treadmil for 45 minutes
Breakfast - Carbs + Fats + Protein
Snack - Fats + Protein
Lunch - Fats + Protein + Veggies (all fibrous veggies)
Pre Workout - Carbs + Protein
Post Workout - Carbs + Protein
Dinner - Fats + Protein + Veggies (all fibrous veggies)

My Workouts will be 45 minutes of weight lifting then 10 minutes of HIIT.

Is it okay to go back and forth on carbs/protein then fats/protein?

[RU4A69]

Originally Posted by scitalian

explain......If you're saying what I'm thinking then this is absolutely wrong.

Dietary protein can be used to build new muscle tissue - It is "stored" as muscle. Carbohydrate absolutely cannot be converted into contractile tissue: it cannot be converted to protein - but fat and protein CAN be converted to carbohydrate (glucose).

I'm now thinking carbs ain't bad and should be part of the diet but the only carbs should be eating is fruit.

Quite a bit of fruit, fruit unlike other carbs don't mess up your sugar(diabates etc)

Huge quantities of fructose ain't exactly protective or curative for diabetes.

[skinnydude]

Originally Posted by RU4A69

Dietary protein can be used to build new muscle tissue - It is "stored" as muscle. Carbohydrate absolutely cannot be converted into contractile tissue: it cannot be converted to protein - but fat and protein CAN be converted to carbohydrate (glucose).



Huge quantities of fructose ain't exactly protective or curative for diabetes.

I know but i think 5-7 portions of fruit spread thorughout the day for example is better than 2 slices of bread, a bowl of rice and a plate of pasta.

A lot more vitamins and less anti-nutrients too.


(I just think I personally need carbs but know I have allergys to most grains so only carb option is fruit I reckon)

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by RU4A69

Dietary protein can be used to build new muscle tissue - It is "stored" as muscle. Carbohydrate absolutely cannot be converted into contractile tissue: it cannot be converted to protein - but fat and protein CAN be converted to carbohydrate (glucose).



Huge quantities of fructose ain't exactly protective or curative for diabetes.

Can I ask if you even train?

[RU4A69]

Originally Posted by skinnydude

I know but i think 5-7 portions of fruit spread thorughout the day for example is better than 2 slices of bread, a bowl of rice and a plate of pasta.

A lot more vitamins and less anti-nutrients too.


(I just think I personally need carbs but know I have allergys to most grains so only carb option is fruit I reckon)

What about root veggies?

Quinoa is another great one for grain intolerant folks - not technically a grain, nor is wild rice (pricey though).

Many gluten intolerant folks can manage some of the non-wheat grains like rice, oats, millet, spelt, buckwheat, rye.

[RU4A69]

Originally Posted by -Aaron-

Can I ask if you even train?

U mad?

[hooked4life]

"My Goal : burn fat in the mornings on the treadmill, then build muscle rest of the day"


I don't think it works like that ....

[-Aaron-]

Originally Posted by RU4A69

U mad?

Not mad, just curious... You spout all this broscience about how carbs are the devil and make you fat, it's just hard to believe that you actually bodybuild.