VPX No Shotgun dangerous??

[WinnipegWill]

Pete makes a good point. Ethyl Ester was big a few years back, now BSN is being sued over their Creatine Ethyl Ester products in a class action lawsuit.

I would avoid VPX's NO for now.
I loved SP250.
Nutrex's pre workout supps have been kind to me as well, but I havent used one for awhile so you may want to double check the ingerdients in those too.

For more on BSN's lawsuit look at Ironman mags writer Jerry Brainum's posts on the subject or google his name and BSN lawsuit. He has written about the BSN scam a few times. I avoid all BSN stuff now. Their products also have not lived up to label claims. I'm sure VPX is better run then BSN - but still be cautious.

[ram_6000000]

There are so many questionable ingredients in this crap why even risk it when there are so many other pre-workout supps on the market??

[Obnoxious123]

Originally Posted by ram_6000000

There are so many questionable ingredients in this crap why even risk it when there are so many other pre-workout supps on the market??

x2 and less expensive

[Cable Curling CincoUno]

Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew

I would guess he is referring to the inclusion of beta-alanine ethyl ester which is a different compound than regular beta-alanine... one of the world's leading beta-alanine researchers posted his concerns about this ingredient and it has been discussed here before... might be safe??... because of the concern I wouldn't take the risk combined with the fact that VPX doesn't seem to know any better by including it and adding it simply because ethyl ester everything was the rage for awhile... I'm betting they'll eventually take it out in future versions.

that and that alone would be enough reason for me to steer clear of this product.

[EVO-PT]

He would just be referring to all the 'Ethyl Ester' Ingredients in it i.e

Proprietary Branched Chain Ethyl Ester Amino Acid Matrix

L-Valine Ethyl Ester

L-Arginine Ehtyl Ester Di-HCL, L-Isoleucine Ethyl Ester HCL, L-Leucine Ethyl Ester HCL

Beta Alanine/beta Alanine Ethyl Ester HCL

To be honest the guy you talked to sounds like he doesn't know anything!

Mate you'll be fine with no-shot gun the worst side effect you'll get is spending money on the product that doesn't do a huge amount for gaining mass lol.


Just take it....it is fine!

[quank]

Originally Posted by EVO-PT

the worst side effect you'll get is spending money on the product that doesn't do a huge amount for gaining mass lol.

worst side effect for me was walking around with pucker face after drinking that stuff.

[d4vid]

It's been about a week .. so far so good! pump + energy is GREAT !!! No side yet!

[WinnipegWill]

Originally Posted by EVO-PT

the worst side effect you'll get is spending money on the product that doesn't do a huge amount for gaining mass lol.

Lol
Amen aint that the truth.
Not a slam of VPX, just supps in general. Honestly how many have you taken that really made a big difference?

For me I'd say Creatine (especially when I first used it in the early 90's), ephedrine (for fat loss), and just plain protein powder (more for convienece then anything else).