milk

[krisssi]

Originally Posted by Mr. Horse

But we can. I drink about a half gallon a day. Milk and other dairy is a staple for many many millions of humans.



What is "made" for us? Are tomatoes made for us? Or did we just figure out that we could eat them? Humans domesticated cattle and learned to use them and their products. We also domesticated many plants- I'll bet a lot of the "natural" fruits and veggies you eat are not "made" for us either; but rather adapted by humans.



Really? Than how are so many of us digesting it just fine?



So, the bacteria in milk is the only thing that's beneficial? There's no other nutritional value?



What about em?



Hyperbole? The lines are being blurred...

Do you get a real kick out of being the "smartest guy" in the nutrition forum? Even though you have some years of whatever education you have doesn't give you the right to talk to other people like they're idiots.

You seem to know what you're talking about and I would actually respect you if you weren't so damn arrogant.

Maybe you should try to use your knowledge to be helpful instead of trying to make other people look like idiots. Kind of sad seeing someone with, an MD i'm guessing, posting here on the nutrition forum to make himself feel like a hot shot.

[Bioteknik]

Originally Posted by fballer12

as I said, search "milk is bad" or "milk is unhealthy" on google. You'll find lots and lots of articles explaining exactly what happens during the pastuerization and the homogonization process.

I don't want to google it, I want you to tell me which ones.

[fballer12]

Originally Posted by Bioteknik

I don't want to google it, I want you to tell me which ones.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...7/no-milk.aspx

http://www.notmilk.com/kradjian.html
its long, but read whole thing if you really want to educate yourself

http://www.snyderhealth.com/calcium.htm

[fballer12]

BTW theirs many more articles where that came from. Its up to you if you want to educate yourself more and learn to research, or you can be lazy like you just were and not.

[JusSumMuscleGi]

Sorry friend, but I -AM- the smart guy on the nutrition forum and Milk is one of the best foods for a BB, or even someone looking to maintain a cut.

Sources::

Drinking Milk May Help Dieters Maintain Weight Loss
Journal of Nutrition

New Study Finds Higher Calcium Diet Linked to Less Weight Regain After Significant Weight Loss.

Including milk and other milk products as part of a healthy weight management plan may help women keep off the weight they�ve lost. In a new study published in the Journal of Nutrition, researchers found that higher calcium intakes, mostly from milk and other milk products and not supplements, was linked to less weight gain 18 months after a significant weight loss.


New Study Suggests Drinking More Milk Could Prevent Fat Gain
Obesity
(01/2007)

Making milk your beverage of choice and maintaining this habit for 18 months may help prevent fat gain, suggests a new study published in Obesity.

Researchers at Purdue University conducted a follow-up study of 51 normal weight college-aged women who had previously participated in a year-long intervention that examined the impact of increased dairy intake on fat mass. Six months after the initial study was completed, the women in the high-dairy group had maintained an elevated calcium intake; the researchers emphasized increasing consumption of lowfat and fat free milk to help boost calcium intakes.


Intake of sugar-sweetened beverages and weight gain:
a systematic review
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
(08/2006)

What you drink could be affecting your waistline, according to a analysis by Harvard researchers published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. This comprehensive review of the evidence suggests that the consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages, particularly carbonated soft drinks, may be a key contributor to the obesity epidemic.


Calcium Intake Not Associated With Weight Gain
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
(03/2006)

The 2005 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommendation of 3 servings of lowfat dairy foods each day shows no link between calcium intake and extra weight gain over time, according to a study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.


New Study Strengthens Milk's Fat Burning Link
(12/2005)

Most people know that to lose weight, they'll need to eat less and move more. However, research suggests you may have better luck if you include milk in your new routine. Published in the December issue of Obesity Research by scientists at the University of Colorado, the new study provides more insight into why consuming dairy foods is linked with weight and fat loss.


New Study Indicates Milk Helps Burn Fat and Calories After Eating
(12/2005)

Drinking a glass of milk at every meal may help you burn more fat and calories throughout the day, suggests a study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Researchers at Purdue University found that women who consumed 3 to 4 servings of milk and milk products each day during the year-long study burned more fat and calories from a meal compared to women who ate little dairy.


Milk Your Diet and Feel Full
North American Association for the Study of Obesity
(11/2005)

Including milk in your weight loss plan may help you stay on track, suggests an Australian study that found protein-rich foods such as lowfat milk, lean meat, beans and nuts helped people feel full longer.


Milk - It Does a Body (And Your Waistline) Good
(10/2005)

Widening waistlines are a concern for most Americans, but new research shows that we all have much to gain and more inches to lose by including more milk in our daily diets. It's time to start thinking about eating better. About half of all African-American women are considered obese, and therefore more likely at risk for developing diseases such as heart disease, hypertension and diabetes.


New Research Shows Dieters Lose More Weight and Body Fat With Milk on their Menu
(09/2005)

A study published in Obesity Research suggests that drinking milk while dieting may help you double the amount of weight you lose. The new research also suggests that milk may help you lose the fat and keep the muscle ? even if you're not trying to lose weight.


Reducing the Obesity Epidemic - A Switch from Soft Drinks to Milk?
American Journal of Preventive Medicine
(09/2004)

A study published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine suggests that switching from soft drinks to milk may help reduce the nation's obesity epidemic.


New Research Supports Milk's Role in Weight Loss
Obesity Research
(04/2004)

A study published in the April 2004 issue of Obesity Research found that people who ate 3-4 servings of milk or milk products each day on a reduced-calorie diet lost an average of 24 pounds in 24 weeks -- significantly more than those who also reduced calories but consumed little or no milk.


Milk is Crucial for High Protein Dieters
Journal of Nutrition
(03/2004)

A study published in the March issue of the Journal of Nutrition, found that overweight adults on a high protein diet who consumed adequate amounts of calcium through dairy foods like milk were less likely to show early signs of bone loss when compared to those on a high protein, moderate calcium diet.

[Flex500]

for fuks sake why are people so uptight about milk these days??? Studies, polls, opinions. its freaking milk. If you like it and it fits into your macros drink it.

There are constant milk threads on here and honestly if of you are this anal about milk then you sure as hell better not use tuperwar, saran wrap, metal utensals, plastic forks, spoons, and knives, pots or pans, grill with charcoal, eat meat, or drink out of plastic cups, etc. etc. etc.

I an continue that list of about a hundred things that are probably more dangerous than drinking milk. I'd bet breathing air outside of a major city is more dangerous than milk.

sorry end rant/

just fyi I drink a gallon of whole milk a day right now...

[Flex500]

Originally Posted by JusSumMuscleGi

Sorry friend, but I -AM- the smart guy on the nutrition forum and Milk is one of the best foods for a BB, or even someone looking to maintain a cut.

Sources::

Drinking Milk May Help Dieters Maintain Weight Loss
Journal of Nutrition

New Study Finds Higher Calcium Diet Linked to Less Weight Regain After Significant Weight Loss.

Including milk and other milk products as part of a healthy weight management plan may help women keep off the weight they�ve lost. In a new study published in the Journal of Nutrition, researchers found that higher calcium intakes, mostly from milk and other milk products and not supplements, was linked to less weight gain 18 months after a significant weight loss.


New Study Suggests Drinking More Milk Could Prevent Fat Gain
Obesity
(01/2007)

Making milk your beverage of choice and maintaining this habit for 18 months may help prevent fat gain, suggests a new study published in Obesity.

Researchers at Purdue University conducted a follow-up study of 51 normal weight college-aged women who had previously participated in a year-long intervention that examined the impact of increased dairy intake on fat mass. Six months after the initial study was completed, the women in the high-dairy group had maintained an elevated calcium intake; the researchers emphasized increasing consumption of lowfat and fat free milk to help boost calcium intakes.


Intake of sugar-sweetened beverages and weight gain:
a systematic review
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
(08/2006)

What you drink could be affecting your waistline, according to a analysis by Harvard researchers published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. This comprehensive review of the evidence suggests that the consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages, particularly carbonated soft drinks, may be a key contributor to the obesity epidemic.


Calcium Intake Not Associated With Weight Gain
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
(03/2006)

The 2005 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommendation of 3 servings of lowfat dairy foods each day shows no link between calcium intake and extra weight gain over time, according to a study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.


New Study Strengthens Milk's Fat Burning Link
(12/2005)

Most people know that to lose weight, they'll need to eat less and move more. However, research suggests you may have better luck if you include milk in your new routine. Published in the December issue of Obesity Research by scientists at the University of Colorado, the new study provides more insight into why consuming dairy foods is linked with weight and fat loss.


New Study Indicates Milk Helps Burn Fat and Calories After Eating
(12/2005)

Drinking a glass of milk at every meal may help you burn more fat and calories throughout the day, suggests a study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Researchers at Purdue University found that women who consumed 3 to 4 servings of milk and milk products each day during the year-long study burned more fat and calories from a meal compared to women who ate little dairy.


Milk Your Diet and Feel Full
North American Association for the Study of Obesity
(11/2005)

Including milk in your weight loss plan may help you stay on track, suggests an Australian study that found protein-rich foods such as lowfat milk, lean meat, beans and nuts helped people feel full longer.


Milk - It Does a Body (And Your Waistline) Good
(10/2005)

Widening waistlines are a concern for most Americans, but new research shows that we all have much to gain and more inches to lose by including more milk in our daily diets. It's time to start thinking about eating better. About half of all African-American women are considered obese, and therefore more likely at risk for developing diseases such as heart disease, hypertension and diabetes.


New Research Shows Dieters Lose More Weight and Body Fat With Milk on their Menu
(09/2005)

A study published in Obesity Research suggests that drinking milk while dieting may help you double the amount of weight you lose. The new research also suggests that milk may help you lose the fat and keep the muscle ? even if you're not trying to lose weight.


Reducing the Obesity Epidemic - A Switch from Soft Drinks to Milk?
American Journal of Preventive Medicine
(09/2004)

A study published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine suggests that switching from soft drinks to milk may help reduce the nation's obesity epidemic.


New Research Supports Milk's Role in Weight Loss
Obesity Research
(04/2004)

A study published in the April 2004 issue of Obesity Research found that people who ate 3-4 servings of milk or milk products each day on a reduced-calorie diet lost an average of 24 pounds in 24 weeks -- significantly more than those who also reduced calories but consumed little or no milk.


Milk is Crucial for High Protein Dieters
Journal of Nutrition
(03/2004)

A study published in the March issue of the Journal of Nutrition, found that overweight adults on a high protein diet who consumed adequate amounts of calcium through dairy foods like milk were less likely to show early signs of bone loss when compared to those on a high protein, moderate calcium diet.

thank God, a breath of fresh air. People have such a hard on to be anti milk these days. Like I said if people are that anal about milk (something people have been drinking forever) then they better live their life in a cacoon because there are everyday things people do that are probably much more dangerous than drinking freaking milk.

[boooosted]

i drink half a gallon of milk a day, because it does a body good.

[Flex500]

Originally Posted by boooosted

i drink half a gallon of milk a day, because it does a body good.

i wonder if that is really milk on her lip....

[cubical]

Originally Posted by yoyoyoimdave

A buddy of mine made up an interesting point about milk that had me thinking about what he said. Although it has no real fact behind it, humans are the only specie that consumes milk after infancy. just my 2 cents

I hate this argument. So you are telling me if a lion could drink milk from a cow it wouldn't?

Raw milk from a GRASS FED cow from a clean local farm is one of the best things you can drink/eat. If you don't like cows milk try goats milk.

[fballer12]

Originally Posted by JusSumMuscleGi

Sorry friend, but I -AM- the smart guy on the nutrition forum and Milk is one of the best foods for a BB, or even someone looking to maintain a cut.

Sources::

Drinking Milk May Help Dieters Maintain Weight Loss
Journal of Nutrition

New Study Finds Higher Calcium Diet Linked to Less Weight Regain After Significant Weight Loss.

Including milk and other milk products as part of a healthy weight management plan may help women keep off the weight they�ve lost. In a new study published in the Journal of Nutrition, researchers found that higher calcium intakes, mostly from milk and other milk products and not supplements, was linked to less weight gain 18 months after a significant weight loss.


New Study Suggests Drinking More Milk Could Prevent Fat Gain
Obesity
(01/2007)

Making milk your beverage of choice and maintaining this habit for 18 months may help prevent fat gain, suggests a new study published in Obesity.

Researchers at Purdue University conducted a follow-up study of 51 normal weight college-aged women who had previously participated in a year-long intervention that examined the impact of increased dairy intake on fat mass. Six months after the initial study was completed, the women in the high-dairy group had maintained an elevated calcium intake; the researchers emphasized increasing consumption of lowfat and fat free milk to help boost calcium intakes.


Intake of sugar-sweetened beverages and weight gain:
a systematic review
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
(08/2006)

What you drink could be affecting your waistline, according to a analysis by Harvard researchers published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. This comprehensive review of the evidence suggests that the consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages, particularly carbonated soft drinks, may be a key contributor to the obesity epidemic.


Calcium Intake Not Associated With Weight Gain
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
(03/2006)

The 2005 Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommendation of 3 servings of lowfat dairy foods each day shows no link between calcium intake and extra weight gain over time, according to a study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition.


New Study Strengthens Milk's Fat Burning Link
(12/2005)

Most people know that to lose weight, they'll need to eat less and move more. However, research suggests you may have better luck if you include milk in your new routine. Published in the December issue of Obesity Research by scientists at the University of Colorado, the new study provides more insight into why consuming dairy foods is linked with weight and fat loss.


New Study Indicates Milk Helps Burn Fat and Calories After Eating
(12/2005)

Drinking a glass of milk at every meal may help you burn more fat and calories throughout the day, suggests a study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Researchers at Purdue University found that women who consumed 3 to 4 servings of milk and milk products each day during the year-long study burned more fat and calories from a meal compared to women who ate little dairy.


Milk Your Diet and Feel Full
North American Association for the Study of Obesity
(11/2005)

Including milk in your weight loss plan may help you stay on track, suggests an Australian study that found protein-rich foods such as lowfat milk, lean meat, beans and nuts helped people feel full longer.


Milk - It Does a Body (And Your Waistline) Good
(10/2005)

Widening waistlines are a concern for most Americans, but new research shows that we all have much to gain and more inches to lose by including more milk in our daily diets. It's time to start thinking about eating better. About half of all African-American women are considered obese, and therefore more likely at risk for developing diseases such as heart disease, hypertension and diabetes.


New Research Shows Dieters Lose More Weight and Body Fat With Milk on their Menu
(09/2005)

A study published in Obesity Research suggests that drinking milk while dieting may help you double the amount of weight you lose. The new research also suggests that milk may help you lose the fat and keep the muscle ? even if you're not trying to lose weight.


Reducing the Obesity Epidemic - A Switch from Soft Drinks to Milk?
American Journal of Preventive Medicine
(09/2004)

A study published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine suggests that switching from soft drinks to milk may help reduce the nation's obesity epidemic.


New Research Supports Milk's Role in Weight Loss
Obesity Research
(04/2004)

A study published in the April 2004 issue of Obesity Research found that people who ate 3-4 servings of milk or milk products each day on a reduced-calorie diet lost an average of 24 pounds in 24 weeks -- significantly more than those who also reduced calories but consumed little or no milk.


Milk is Crucial for High Protein Dieters
Journal of Nutrition
(03/2004)

A study published in the March issue of the Journal of Nutrition, found that overweight adults on a high protein diet who consumed adequate amounts of calcium through dairy foods like milk were less likely to show early signs of bone loss when compared to those on a high protein, moderate calcium diet.

First of all, weight loss isn't the only thing that matters in health. You can be really lean and still really unhealthy. But not only are those studies biased, all they do is give milk to people who normally were drinking soda. Obviously drinking milk instead of soda is going to make you lose weight and be healthier. They'd probably lose even more weight if they only drank water

Also they say a diet high in calcium is good for you. Milk isn't the only thing that contains calcium, their are plenty of better sources than milk. As has been talked about the excessive ammount of protein in cows milk makes it so that the body actually leaches out more calcium from the consumption of milk than it gains.

Would you ever drink rats milk, cats milk, or dogs milk?

[fballer12]

and LOL at getting negged just for having a differing opinion than you, which I back up with science, on a board about the discussion of nutrition. I guess sometimes people feel threatened when their viewpoints get challenged.

[Scott~]

Originally Posted by fballer12

and LOL at getting negged just for having a differing opinion than you, which I back up with science, on a board about the discussion of nutrition. I guess sometimes people feel threatened when their viewpoints get challenged.

Where is your science? Show me peer-reviewed studies. Mercola is hardly a credible sources, he isn't even a medical doctor and is no authority on anything valid.

[fballer12]

Originally Posted by Scott~

Where is your science? Show me peer-reviewed studies. Mercola is hardly a credible sources, he isn't even a medical doctor and is no authority on anything valid.

http://www.notmilk.com/kradjian.html
I don't know if you read it yet, but this guy is a well known doctor, who unlike the dairy indsutry, has no agenda

Read the whole thing, inside their are many many refrences to studies done which show the negatives of milk.

[dn27]

Milk tastes good


/thread

[JusSumMuscleGi]

Alright. picking a battle with Mitch Davidson is a loosing proposition.

New York Times:

The popular claim that ''cows' milk is for calves,'' not people, begs an intriguing dietary question: on what grounds can it be said that any cultivated food -- be it wheat, rice, potatoes, broccoli, carrots, chicken or pork -- was meant to be eaten by people? Humans began as hunter-gatherers, eating whatever they could find that grew naturally. No edible specifically evolved to feed people. Rather, people learned to cultivate edible plant and animal foods to assure a more constant food supply.


Health Facts About Milk

Here is what has been said and what is actually known about milk's relationship to health.

HEART DISEASE -- If milk (and other dairy products) are consumed in large amounts in their whole-fat state, then, yes, they may raise blood levels of cholesterol and contribute to heart disease. But supermarkets are now bursting with low-fat and nonfat dairy options, including liquid milk, yogurt, ice cream, cheese and fat-free ''half-and-half.'' After the age of 2, there is no reason not to switch to these heart-saving low-fat alternatives, especially since certain substances in milk may help to lower cholesterol.

CANCER -- A few studies have suggested a link -- but others have found no link -- between the sugars in milk and ovarian cancer. But the most carefully done study to date found that women who developed ovarian cancer actually drank less milk than those who remained free of this cancer. And while the high-fat content of whole milk and other full-fat dairy products may promote certain cancers, recent studies have indicated that components of low-fat and fat-free dairy products can reduce the risk of cancers of the breast, lungs and colon.

DIABETES -- Type 1 diabetes, as juvenile or insulin-dependent diabetes is now called, is an autoimmune disease, and there is some evidence that people who develop it tend to have high levels of antibodies in their blood to the proteins in cows' milk. The risk, if there is a real one, of developing this form of diabetes seems to be related to the consumption of unmodified cows' milk in infancy by susceptible people.

Infant formulas are heat-treated in a way that modifies these proteins to reduce the risk that babies will develop antibodies to them. Also contributing to a lower risk associated with infant formula is the fact that the amount of protein in formula more closely resembles that of breast milk, which has less than half the protein in cows' milk.

The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that infants in their first year not be given unmodified cows' milk or products like ice cream or yogurt made from unmodified cows' milk. Waiting to introduce cows' milk until an infant's digestive system is more fully matured will reduce the risk of milk allergy and possibly other allergies as well. Incidentally, allergic reactions to milk, which most often develop in infancy, are nearly always outgrown by the elementary grades.

MUCUS IN THE THROAT -- Whole milk, because of its consistency, can coat the mouth and throat temporarily and create the sensation of thickened saliva or mucus. But a blind study in Australia that included people who believed the milk-mucus relationship found no difference in reports of mucus in the throat among those who ate chocolate-disguised cows' milk or soy milk. While professional singers, actors or public speakers may refrain from milk shortly before performances, there is no reason for them to do so at other times or for others to avoid milk for this reason. If milk-induced mucus seems to bother you, try switching to nonfat milk.

OSTEOPOROSIS -- It is true that in most Asian countries, where little or no dairy products are consumed, there is a much lower incidence of osteoporosis than in the United States. But it is also true that Asians eat a lot more calcium-rich vegetables and a lot less protein than Americans do. The excess protein consumed by most Americans actually removes calcium from the body. Asians also get a lot more physical exercise and consume less cola, which can impede the use of calcium.

Milk and other dairy products are by far the leading sources of bone-building nutrients -- primarily calcium and vitamin D -- in the American diet. Although milk contains protein, the ratio of calcium to protein in milk is high enough to favor bone development, not the bone loss suggested by the Physicians Committee.

DIGESTIVE PROBLEMS -- About one-quarter of Americans develop varying degrees of lactose intolerance, an inability to digest the natural sugar in milk, which can result in bloating, flatulence and sometimes diarrhea. The incidence of lactose intolerance is highest in American Indians, African-Americans and people of Eastern European or Asian descent.

But most people with lactose intolerance can drink a glass of milk with meals with few if any symptoms. Also, yogurt with live active cultures (the bacteria produce lactose-digesting enzymes) and hard cheeses (which lose most of the lactose when the curds are formed) are unlikely to cause symptoms. In addition, lactose-reduced dairy products -- milk, cottage cheese, even ice cream -- are now widely available. Or, you can prepare your own lactose-reduced milk by adding the enzyme lactase (sold as Lactaid drops in pharmacies) to liquid milk and waiting a day to consume it.

Why Drink Milk

In addition to building bones, the calcium and other components in milk may help to prevent hypertension (and, thus, heart disease and stroke) and cancers of the breast and colon. Milk is also a good source of other vital nutrients, including vitamins A and D, riboflavin, protein, phosphorus and the trace elements copper, zinc and manganese.

A large national study called DASH has shown that only when a low-fat diet rich in fruits and vegetables is combined with three servings a day of low-fat dairy foods is the diet effective in lowering blood pressure and reducing blood levels of homocysteine, another risk factor for heart disease.

Medical News Today
New Research Links Drinking Lowfat Milk To Lower Risk For Heart Disease
Grabbing as little as one glass of lowfat or fat free milk could help protect your heart, according to a new study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Researchers found that adults who had at least one serving of lowfat milk or milk products each day had 37 percent lower odds of poor kidney function linked to heart disease compared to those who drank little or no lowfat milk.

To determine heart disease risk, researchers from several universities in the United States and Norway measured the kidney function of more than 5,000 older adults ages 45 to 84. They tracked eating patterns and tested albumin-to-creatinine ratio (ACR) - a measure that when too low, can indicate poor kidney function and an extremely high risk for cardiovascular disease, according to the American Heart Association.

Researchers found that people who reported consuming more lowfat milk and milk products had lower ACR, or healthier kidney function. In fact, lowfat milk and milk products was the only food group evaluated that on its own, was significantly linked to a reduced risk for kidney dysfunction. The study authors cited other research suggesting milk protein, vitamin D, magnesium and calcium may contribute to milk's potential heart health benefits.

An overall healthy diet, including lowfat milk and milk products, whole grains, fruits and vegetables was also associated with a benefit - 20 percent lower ACR or healthier kidney function.

The National Kidney Foundation estimates that kidney disease affects about 26 million Americans - and kidney disease is both a cause and a consequence of cardiovascular disease, the number one killer of Americans. An estimated one out of three adults is currently living with some form of cardiovascular disease.

Milk provides nine essential nutrients, including calcium, vitamin A, vitamin D, protein and potassium. The U.S. Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend drinking three glasses of lowfat or fat free milk each day.

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Article adapted by Medical News Today from original press release.
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Source: Nettleton JA, Steffen LM, Palmas W, Burke GL, Jacobs DR Jr. Associations between microalbuminuria and animal foods, plant foods, and dietary patterns in the Multiethnic Study of Atherosclerosis. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 2008;87:1825-1836.

Among HUNDREDS of other studies. You are simply wrong friend

[Dr. Horse]

Originally Posted by krisssi

Do you get a real kick out of being the "smartest guy" in the nutrition forum? Even though you have some years of whatever education you have doesn't give you the right to talk to other people like they're idiots.

Even when they clearly are idiots?

You seem to know what you're talking about and I would actually respect you if you weren't so damn arrogant.

Perhaps there's a language barrier, as I don't see what is so arrogant about the post you quoted.

Maybe you should try to use your knowledge to be helpful instead of trying to make other people look like idiots. Kind of sad seeing someone with, an MD i'm guessing, posting here on the nutrition forum to make himself feel like a hot shot.

If my posts aren't helpful, it's because people are too stubborn to see past their own confused belief systems and broscience to something with an objective measure of truth. It's true that I often antagonize, and occasionally am no help at all, but if you read my posts, you'll see that there is usually something to be learned by the noobs and ignorami that I tend to respond to.

Originally Posted by fballer12

and LOL at getting negged just for having a differing opinion than you, which I back up with science, on a board about the discussion of nutrition. I guess sometimes people feel threatened when their viewpoints get challenged.

LOL! You've posted science? You've given links to pseudoscience and fearmonger websites. You keep referring to them to explain why milk is bad and my modern milk processing is harmful- why not just explain in your own words why it's bad? You complain about pro milk people not backing up their opinions with science, but then discredit any science offered up (and there is a lot) as being biased by the dairy industry.

[JusSumMuscleGi]

I think I scared him off

[Stevo Supremo]

Originally Posted by yoyoyoimdave

A buddy of mine made up an interesting point about milk that had me thinking about what he said. Although it has no real fact behind it, humans are the only specie that consumes milk after infancy. just my 2 cents

and look at us
we are at the top of the food chain

[JusSumMuscleGi]

We're the only one to consume Cheese or pasta as well, we have a brain, no point in that argument.

[Ted Nugent]

i LOVE MILK, i drink as much as i can everyday. protein and vitamin rich, and theres alot of research/testimonies out there that milk is excellent for muscle growth because of its anabolic properties, Alan Aragon was talking about it. Think about it, milk is designed for baby cows to drink, they absolutely explode in those first few months after birth and all they really eat is grass/hay and milk.

[alan aragon]

Originally Posted by fballer12

as I said, search "milk is bad" or "milk is unhealthy" on google. You'll find lots and lots of articles explaining exactly what happens during the pastuerization and the homogonization process.

Indiscriminately believe **** much?

[mwolfeass39]

Is this a serious thread? Do you honestly need someone to tell you whether or not to drink milk?

MILK???

[bradgez]

milk is f'ing great for bulking, there are many other things much worse for you

[QB_Killa]

I drink milk on a cut and I'm dropping bf so I don't really care.