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Old 08-02-2008, 04:22 PM   #1
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Question Separation Issues

Is there anyone out there that ever felt the need to separate from friends and family in order to lose the fat? Since I have been losing the weight the people that I thought would support me have not.
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Old 08-02-2008, 05:00 PM   #2
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I think this is normal. They can no longer control you and that cripples them.

After I lost weight, my boss seriously turned on me and would stop at nothing to get rid of me. When I was fat, we were cool, even went out drinking.

Also its easy to get a bit of a self rightious attitude when losing weight. Not saying you have that but it is an easy trap to fall in to. I did it to some degree and would look down my nose at anyone who wasnt losing weight like I was. So I guess I had it coming in a way.


Just stay the course and stay humble and you will do fine. If they offer you some treats, just say no thanks and leave it at that.

Best of Luck.

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Old 08-02-2008, 05:02 PM   #3
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Man, do I know what you are talking about!!!!!!!! A lot of threads are about this same issue!!! I've lost about 40 pounds and people at work are starting with the "you are too skinny" comments. The crazy thing is that when I was overweight, they never said "hey, you look unhealthy, maybe you should lose some weight". I just ignore them and continue to do what I KNOW makes me feel healthy and happy!! As far as my family, they are pretty supportive although they think I am too picky about what I eat. When I find myself getting pissed due to the comments, I just think about a quote from Eleanor Roosevelt "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." Focus on what makes you happy and don't take any crap along the way!!
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I think this is normal. They can no longer control you and that cripples them.

After I lost weight, my boss seriously turned on me and would stop at nothing to get rid of me. When I was fat, we were cool, even went out drinking.

Also its easy to get a bit of a self rightious attitude when losing weight. Not saying you have that but it is an easy trap to fall in to. I did it to some degree and would look down my nose at anyone who wasnt losing weight like I was. So I guess I had it coming in a way.


Just stay the course and stay humble and you will do fine. If they offer you some treats, just say no thanks and leave it at that.

Best of Luck.

Great job on the weight loss by the way.

I agree with not getting the "self righteous attitude"!! Well said! However, take pride in the choice you've made!!
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My girl supports me 100 percent..... my parents do not, I have to go to their house less and only when its not supper. They basically try to get me to eat allllll the time im there... even if i just had meal # 4... they just dont let it go, until i give in
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It's Sabotage!
by Chris Shugart

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Toxic People

A toxic person is basically anyone who holds you back, cuts you down, makes you experience any number of negative emotions on a regular basis, and generally causes you to feel like a piece of toilet paper, and not that nice triple-quilted stuff either. A toxic person can be a friend, a co-worker, a family member, and even a girlfriend or spouse.

Dr. Glass outlines 30 different types of toxic people in the book, including The Mental Case, The Fanatic, The Accusing Critic, The Instigator, The Opportunistic User, and the ever popular Smiling Two-Faced Backstabber. No wonder Bossman Patterson recommended the book: the bodybuilding and supplement industry is a breeding ground for these wackjobs!


Enter The Saboteur

After reading the book, I came up with my own category of toxic terror, one that seems to rear his septic head often in the bodybuilding, fitness, and athletic community: The Saboteur.

The Saboteur is out to sabotage your training and diet program. He or she can do this overtly or covertly, and through physical or emotional manipulations. Let's go through some examples:

? A family member cooks you your favorite cheat food and encourages you to "live a little" and give up the diet.

? A friend drops seemingly casual but negative comments about your goals:

"Yeah, you've lost some fat but you ain't exactly Brad Pitt in Fight Club, bro!"

"Sure, you're getting big, but all that muscle will just turn to fat when you get older."

"That's a fast time in the 40 yard dash, but I knew a guy once who was way faster."

? A co-worker knows you're dieting yet keeps offering you junk food. This office saboteur has been known to wave doughnuts in your face in a "joking" manner. He or she may also refer to you as a "health nut" or "fanatic."

? Your spouse tries to talk you out of going to the gym, or make you feel guilty about it:

"Why can't you spend time with me instead of running off to the gym?"

"We're strapped for cash and you spend $50 a month on a stupid gym membership?"

"Why do you go to the gym so often? Are you seeing someone up there?"

So why do they do it? Well, they may be doing it consciously or unconsciously. It can be done out of hatred or competition, but the usual culprits are jealously and fear. Example: Your girlfriend or spouse (who usually hasn't been bitten by the training bug) sees you losing fat and getting more muscular. Your body is looking better and better. She's afraid you'll leave her for a better looking woman, so she tries to sabotage you in order to "keep you." Delusional thinking? You bet, but frighteningly common.

Another example is the jealous co-worker. She sees your discipline and hard work, and she watches as your body changes. She's failed at fat loss many times in the past and she's jealous of your achievements. Her attempts at sabotage can take many forms: caustic comments (often made as thinly disguised jests), tempting you with ****ty food, subtly discouraging your healthy behaviors, spreading rumors that you must be "on something," etc.

One of the most biting comments is used against females who lose a lot of fat: "Isn't it interesting that losing weight makes a person look older?" Ouch. It takes a really toxic thunder**** to fire off that not-so-cleverly disguised attack. (Sorry, you may think I'm picking on women here. No, both sexes can be saboteurs; women are just really, really, really good at it.)

These types of saboteurs behave this way to make themselves feel better. Your discipline and success is like a slap in the face to them. Without saying a word, you're making their excuses look pathetic. These infectious whiners won't be inspired by you; they'll be offended. Nothing pisses off a toxic person more than seeing someone else succeed!

I've seen toxic men use these same tactics on their wives. You'd think a man would want his overweight wife to get into shape, right? Not if he's toxic! These pencildicks might not like having fat wives, but they'll do everything they can to keep them that way. Why? Rampant insecurity. Keeping your wife fat is a great way to control her and keep her at home. This is usually coupled with verbal and emotional abuse. And yes, I've seen insecure women do the same thing to their husbands and boyfriends.

Sound crazy? It is, but I can't tell you how many times I've tried to help someone with their diet only to have their spouse do everything in their power to ruin it. And here's where we learn about how devious the Saboteur can be. You know what the most common form of sabotage is for these poisonous personalities? This line right here:

"Honey, I love you just the way you are. You don't have to lose weight."

Horse puckey! That's a velvet hammer used to squash another person's opportunities. It's sleazy and dirty and only used by an insecure person who's emotionally retarded. Aesthetics aside, I'd be wary of any person who doesn't want his or her significant other to make positive health decisions.

"I love you just the way you are" is a polite way of saying "I'll feel inadequate and lazy if you get into shape and I don't! Please stay fat and increase your risk of heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. Better you die at age 45 that me feel insecure or pressured to get into shape myself!"

A few things to keep in mind regarding the Saboteur:

#1: Watch for poisonous patterns.

Not everyone who offers you a slice of pizza or suggests you skip a workout is a saboteur. What you're looking for here are consistent patterns of behavior. How often does the person do this? How many different ways does the person try to do it?

#2: There are no "casual" negative comments.

If someone regularly makes nasty remarks, even in a joking manner, he could be a saboteur. Remember, saboteurs can be awfully subtle and polite about derailing your progress. They employ the "death by a thousand cuts" technique. And their tongues are wicked sharp. The closer the person is to you (wife or parent), the deeper the cuts.

#3: The Saboteur is the one with the problem.

It's easy to take these attacks personally, but you shouldn't. The Saboteur is the one with the "issues," not you. Their insecurity, jealously, and self-loathing are forced on you because you represent the opposite. Even though you don't mean it, you're a symbol of their failings and shortcomings.

#4: The Saboteur is seldom seen by you as an "enemy."

Although they can be, the actions of a saboteur are seldom overt. And the saboteur himself is seldom a person who obviously has it in for you. The most prevalent saboteurs come from within your own family and close circle of friends.

#5: Sabotage often comes disguised as concern, a favor, or a nice gesture.

I was recently contacted by a guy who'd lost ten pounds using my Velocity Diet. Although he had more fat to lose, his family was already filling his head with negative thoughts and lashing out. They told him he was anorexic, that he had a problem, that losing fat was unhealthy, that he took "too many pills" (in this case, salmon oil capsules), and that protein would damage his kidneys.

No surprise, everyone in his family was obese and did nothing but vegetate in front of the TV and eat potato chips. But still, verbal barbs like this coming from your family can be the sharpest and most frustrating.

Were they really concerned? No. They were upset that this guy was climbing out of the box they'd put him in. His success was making them feel inadequate. His fat loss reminded them that they were obese couch spuds. Luckily, this guy resisted the pull of the fatty flock and dodged their attempts at sabotage.

Side note: Saboteurs sometimes travel in packs.

#6: A sabotaging woman will often use a very powerful weapon against you: her vagina.

The power of the pussy will make a man not only accept the leash but gladly put it on himself. I've witnessed several sabotaging women use this weapon to control their men. This type of woman often falls into another toxic category created by Dr. Glass: The Self-Destroyer.

If you have any physique or career goals, avoid the Self-Destroyer at all costs. This hellbitch is hell-bent on making the worst possible choices for herself. She's often unstable and borders on being out of control. (This, of course, makes her great in the sack.) For whatever deep psychological reasons, she's out to destroy herself. She may do it with food, alcohol, drugs, money, sex, or stupid risks. While she usually prefers abusive men and ex-cons, she may occasionally end up with a T-man. She may not set out to destroy him, but if he's around she'll make sure he goes down with her.

The most common trap she'll use is to get you to "rescue" her (usually from self-destructive mistakes she's made.) All too often, the white knight will find himself dancing like a puppet on a string, fully controlled by what's between her legs. Ultimately, he wrecks his diet, quits training, and makes poor life decisions.

Long story short: beware the sabotaging gal with fangs in her coochie.

#7: Dealing with the Saboteur

A co-worker can usually be ignored. Once you learn to recognize and interpret these attempts at sabotage, you can see them for what they often are: a sign that you're accomplishing something. Take it as a compliment. Eat it up and thrive on it.

But what about the friend, family member or spouse? Dr. Glass recommends confronting them with humor. I agree, the straightforward approach is the best. End the game as fast as possible. When they try to sabotage you, ask them directly about it:

"Why are you offering me a cookie when you know I'm dieting down for summer?"

"Why do you try to keep me from going to the gym?'

"Why do you make ****ty remarks every time I lay down on the bench and try for a PR?"

This is especially effective when the Saboteur doesn't even realize what he or she is doing. Remember, these are often delusional people wrapped in a security blanket of defense mechanisms, and a reality check is just what they need. It'll be very difficult for them to continue with their sabotaging ways after you point out what they're doing.

And what if the person is a deadly combination of Saboteur and Self-Destructor? Run. Run like the wind. There's not much hope for these time bombs. If it's a co-worker, avoid them. If it's a friend, de-friend him. If it's a girlfriend, think with the big head for once and kick that back alley bitch to the curb.

#8: Sometimes the "saboteur" isn't.

This is an important caveat. A 97-pound bulimic whose hair is falling out because of malnutrition will often attack those trying to help her. In her muddled mind, they're just out to sabotage her. The 17-year old juicer may be convinced that the people telling him he's too young to use steroids are just jealous. These are obviously not cases of sabotage. So, you have to be careful when labeling someone a Saboteur. You might be the one in the wrong.
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Old 08-03-2008, 06:31 AM   #7
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:23 AM   #8
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Great article you posted trif_m.

Jlinwood, I have the same issue too. My family wanted me to exercise and eat right when I was in high school but now they want me to stop with all the clean eating, cardio and lifting. I guess they were more comfortable to how I look like back then and don't want me to change.
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Old 08-03-2008, 07:38 AM   #9
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I think that we all face this kind of thing.

Many of my friends were supportive of me losing weight . . . at first. Sometimes I wonder now if it wasn't because they wanted me to fail, like they thought they always had (if they had ever tried in the first place.) But, the more and more I lost, the harder and harder some of them became. I think a few really were trying to sabotage me, implicitly or not. It is to the point that I had to end friendship over it, as they claimed things like:

"You've changed too much."
"You are not like you used to be."
"You're too obsessed with this. When will you stop this gym thing and start living normally again?"

I don't know if it is jealously or intimidation or what. I mean I have changed, but for the better. I'm confident, free to live, really live, for the first time in my life. I do workout and I will not stop. I love it far too much.

But, for the friends I've lost, I've gained loads more in and out of the gym. They are supportive in every way. They push me to make new goals, to get more muscle, lose more fat, and I help them. In the end, I've gained far more than I've lost.
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Couldn't sum it up a better way!

On the other hand, if your friends and family are coming at you with attitudes like this, you DO have to take a step back and reflect on yourself. You have to be willing to ask yourself if you're being reasonable, or if you're just being an inflexible pain in the ass. Is it reasonable to never eat with friends or family again? EVER?? You gonna skip out on everyone's birthday, including your own, for the rest of your life? Seriously, no more pizza for you ever again? No, it's *completely* unreasonable.

It's one thing to live on "lock down" when you have a short term goal or deadline to hit, but if you're talking about long term weightloss, you're talking more about a change in lifestyle, developing new habits and you just have to learn how to deal with the times when you can't/don't eat or exercise 100% according to plan. If you're going to participate in real life you're just not going to have 100% control, and that's OK.

I did cut a couple friends loose because the more I put myself first, the less they could use me and they couldn't deal with it. My relationships with other friends and family only got stronger though, and even more friends came into my life, who all have fitness goals. Think of your life as energy that has a certain frequency and as you change your life, your frequency changes. As frequency changes, your surroundings will resonate even more or less with you, so there's always going to be change but you'll always find "the best fit" that matches your life at any given time.
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My family thinks I'm clinically insane for lifting to lose size (I'm nutty for other reasons!).

Also its hard to keep up a friendship when the third person is always hot chips... maybe see them when its not one of their feeding times.
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