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Old 07-15-2008, 07:57 AM   #601
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Yes, that's interesting.

I saw him talking about "his" sodium loading depleting contest prep process on an internet video--and it was EXACTLY like the one Paul Delia of AST invented and I helped refine back in 1994. Then, when Jeff Willet came along in 1999, he started using it too.

I looked back through my sales records and I saw the Rodriguez purchased my "Skip La Cour's Daily Training Journal" although he doesn't credit what he does for his contest preparation to all the work I did over the past 10+ years to refine the process.

The good thing for natural bodybuilders is that Jeff is only like 24 years old, has a genetically tall and slender build, hasn't been training all that long (like 7 years), and looks "believably" natural. That means he was like 22 and 23 with about 4 or 5 years of training when coming in second place in the national Team Universe with all of those things going against him is a real credit to the Max-OT Training Program and the contest prep process. I'm not sure but I don't think he's ever actually won a contest, has he?

I'll him credit for getting--and following--some good information that's available to all of you.
Have you read any of his threads on MD and GetBig forums? He actually
gives you a ton of credit and said that he basically gained all of his knowledge of prepping for a show from yourself. Lists you as his favorite bber as well. Sounds like you are taking a subtle shot at him unnecessarily without having all of the information on him.
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Have you read any of his threads on MD and GetBig forums? He actually
gives you a ton of credit and said that he basically gained all of his knowledge of prepping for a show from yourself. Lists you as his favorite bber as well. Sounds like you are taking a subtle shot at him unnecessarily without having all of the information on him.
Interpret my words any way you wish.

I stated where I did see him talking about my work and how he presented it. And, no, those sites are not the ones I often read.

I appreciate you letting me know that. Thanks.

Actually, I was giving him a compliment. And, he should serve as a role model to all of the young lifters out there who think anyone who is "ripped" or does well in a bodybuilding show that doing so without drugs is NOT impossible as is often believed.

If a very young man, without the classic short and stocky bodybuilding genetics, and without very many years of training can so well, look so dry, be so ripped in a national level drug free contest by working hard, believing it is possible, following great training information, and state-of-the art contest preparation information, maybe all of those people out there who think it is "impossible" will reconsider their beliefs. Props to him. Just think of how great he will look with 15 years + of training like Jeff Willet and myself.
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Can You Build Muscle AND Lose Body Fat At The Same Time?

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One question I am continually asked is, "Is it possible to lose body fat and gain muscle at the same time?" My answer is an emphatic YES!

First of all, to build muscle, you must constantly overload the muscles in the gym. Heavy training is of utmost importance. Even when you are on a calorie-deprived diet to lose body fat, you must be mentally tough and continue to train heavily to preserve--and even build--muscle mass. And, as I?ve discussed several times already, back up heavy training by eating high-quality protein on a consistent basis.

To lose body fat and still gain muscle, you must really watch your diet closely. Keep your daily caloric intake below your maintenance level. When you reduce your calories, be sure to keep your diet high in quality protein. Most of your calories should come from your starchy carbohydrate consumption. Eat as many vegetables as you want instead. Of course, watch your fat intake--but don't eliminate this essential nutrient altogether.

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Can You Build Muscle AND Lose Body Fat At The Same Time?

Listen up you "Bulkers" and "Cutters"!


One question I am continually asked is, "Is it possible to lose body fat and gain muscle at the same time?" My answer is an emphatic YES!

First of all, to build muscle, you must constantly overload the muscles in the gym. Heavy training is of utmost importance. Even when you are on a calorie-deprived diet to lose body fat, you must be mentally tough and continue to train heavily to preserve--and even build--muscle mass. And, as I?ve discussed several times already, back up heavy training by eating high-quality protein on a consistent basis.

To lose body fat and still gain muscle, you must really watch your diet closely. Keep your daily caloric intake below your maintenance level. When you reduce your calories, be sure to keep your diet high in quality protein. Most of your calories should come from your starchy carbohydrate consumption. Eat as many vegetables as you want instead. Of course, watch your fat intake--but don't eliminate this essential nutrient altogether.

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Skip, do you still recommend carb cycling to lose fat while building muscle? I remember reading somewhere that you said to stick to veggies for a few days, then starchy carbs for a few days, then repeat.

Also, how do you determine how much of each macronutrient and overall calories to eat when trying to lose fat? Do you use some sort of formula or just start somewhere and lower as needed?
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Skip, do you still recommend carb cycling to lose fat while building muscle? I remember reading somewhere that you said to stick to veggies for a few days, then starchy carbs for a few days, then repeat.

Also, how do you determine how much of each macronutrient and overall calories to eat when trying to lose fat? Do you use some sort of formula or just start somewhere and lower as needed?
Those are good questions.

As far as rotating carbohydrates are concerned: Yes, I did do that in the past. There's something I've learned in my 18 years of bodybuilding and training that I'd like to share with all of you:

You may be getting great results--but not for the reasons you THINK you are.

I once believed that was a highly effective eating strategy--and it can be. The REAL reason why it worked was because, at the end of the day (week, month), I consumed fewer calories than I burned. Not because of some magical manipulation of carbohydrates that I "tricked" my body into digesting more efficiently (or whatever I thought I was doing).

I've learned that dieting/losing body fat cones down to protein, carbs, fat, calories ingested, and then, far down the line, calories you burn through exercise.

You can make ANY fat loss diet work by doing a "little less of this" or a "little more of that". To use another expression "There is more than one way to skin a cat".

As far as structuring an eating plan, as you mentioned, I suggest you start with a well thought out plan--and then start making sensory acute adjustments from there. No one can give you (or any other person) the spot-on exact formula--but they can get you "in the ballpark". (I've used a lot of slang expressions in these answers, haven't I? )


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Tip of the Week - July 23

Getting Your Priorities Straight and NOT Getting Caught Up in the Details


I wanted to share this series of questions I received be e-mail because I thought in could be extremely helpful.

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As a drug free bodybuilder you have obviously achieved tremendous success on the Max-OT routines! I have always believed that I should follow the advise of someone that's done it before and that means doing what you do if I want to gain muscle drug free and not following some magazine! I have realized though that I have to train totally different to anyone else that are using drugs or any kind of enhancement, which is why I want to ask your advise as I see you as a expert on the subject of training drug free!

What does confuse me though is the different opinions:

1. Most drug free natural trainers advise that one shouldn't do anything but the compound basics. Max-OT agrees but yet you guys do side laterals and bent over laterals for shoulders for eg. and NOT flyes for chest! Both are isolation exercises, not so? What gives?

2. Most also advise to not train any more that 3 days per week if you are natural as you will not recover and grow from this much work, but you guys train 5 days per week! Why the difference and is it because less sets per day (as only one muscle group is trained) makes the difference? Isn't 5 days too much as we need rest days as natural trainees?

3. So once again please confirm that there is no better way to train as a drug free person than Max-OT because I'm tired of guesswork! There has to be a science behind training!?

Thanks a lot Skip!

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Let me be an awesome coach to you. Now, this may not be the "nicest" way to answer your questions but my goal is to be effective.

Are you training with a structured plan--as scheduled--without missing a workout, set, exercise, or cardiovascular session? Is every single workout planned before you even walk into the gym? Are you eating all of your nutritious planned meals 6 times a day without missing a single one?

If you aren't, you have to right even asking me to spend my time answering your questions.

Re-read the questions you just asked me. Do you REALLY think they make THAT much of difference? Especially when/if you aren't doing what I mentioned about 100 percent of the time?

Get those things taken care of 100 percent of the time. Then, you'll see how insignificant in the big picture those questions are.

Another thing: So what makes you think you are gong to be the first person in the history of bodybuilding and training who is going to figure out what's guesswork and what's science with absolute certainty--and the start focusing and concentrating?

Big tip here: You aren't going to "science" your way to the physique you want. It's going to take work. And, you are NOT going to know all of the answers before you "roll up your sleeves" and do the work.

I wish it were easier.

I hope this was helpful--without being too harsh.

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Thanks for the answer, it isn't too harsh at all, as a matter of fact I happen to agree!

The reason I asked the question was that I have always felt that there is no secret training routine and therefore wanted to confirm that every "expert" has a different opinion! You should know this as the Max-OT guys are VERY adament that specific rules are followed! (so some things apparently DO make a difference for eg. not doing chest flyes!)

I also asked the question as I thought that training 5 days per week as opposed to 2-3 would constitute overtraining for a totally drug free trainee! I lot of experts fully believe and even say out loud that anyone that makes gains on a 5 day per week routine is NOT drug free! In this instance I wanted to be sure that you actually did achieve your development drug free as you are using a 5 day/week routine. I don't think that was an unfair question as I don't want to waste my time on a routine that would be far too much to recover and grow from by a natural trainee, in which case I DO think it matters.

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Here's my response:

I agree with you about the specifics. They do matter in Max-OT Training. The specifics were built into the program for reasons that will become apparent over time. The challenge with most people (maybe not you) is they can't take that "leap of faith" and just do the program as it is outlined. They have to know "Why this?" and "Why that?" before they can get themselves going.

The real challenge is when you take the time to give them an answer--then they cut and paste something that an 18 year old with six months of training posted on some web site that contradicts what you just took 10 minutes to tell them in an answer. The process of counter-arguing every Tom, Dick, and Harry's "theory" is exhausting, not an efficient use of my time, and not an efficient use of their time either.

If you take the leap of faith, follow the program as outlined, and give it enough time, the "reasons" why you are instructed to certain specifics in the Max-OT Program will become obvious.

As far as drug free training is concerned, it's NOT the amount of days that's critical--it's the VOLUME of work you do in those days you train.

Let's say on day one, I train just my biceps with three exercises. On day two, I train just my back with three exercises. On day three, I train just my chest with four exercises. On day four, I train just my legs with four exercises and my calves with two. And, on day five, I train my shoulders with four exercises and abs with four.

Do you really think that's too much work for a drug-free trainee? Yes, it's spread over five days but it's certainly not too much work.

I certain what "they" are referring to are those long, three hour workout with two or more body parts per session and training those body parts a couple of time every week.

Day of training and Volume of training are NOT equal.


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Great advice. I can't tell you how many times in the past I had to know the science and the BEST way to do something before I tried it. What the ends up for most people, I believe, is that they don't do even what they consider decent, far less than the best.


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Skip, AST has told me that they are coming out with a new Creatine product (replacing Creatine HSC) in a little more then a month.. I was wondering if you have tried it yet, and if you could maybe tell us a little more about it?
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Skip, AST has told me that they are coming out with a new Creatine product (replacing Creatine HSC) in a little more then a month.. I was wondering if you have tried it yet, and if you could maybe tell us a little more about it?
I have not tried it yet. From what I understand, it will make the pre and post workout nutrition an easier process for you to implement.
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Hi Skip,

Could you post for all your readers on this forum, your current eating plan with the times you eat them and so on?
I understand that me or probably anyone else can't just start eating exactly what you eat and look like yourself in 3 weeks.
I would like to see your food choices at specific times and what sort of quantities you are consuming.
I think it would be helpful in terms of structuring our own diets.
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Could you post for all your readers on this forum, your current eating plan with the times you eat them and so on?
I understand that me or probably anyone else can't just start eating exactly what you eat and look like yourself in 3 weeks.
I would like to see your food choices at specific times and what sort of quantities you are consuming.
I think it would be helpful in terms of structuring our own diets.
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I'm going to ask you a question (because this is a "thinking" approach, right?)

With all the diets posted on this site and my site, what possibly could be groundbreaking?

Ask better questions--and then I'll give you the best answer to help you.

Trust me, there's nothing ground breaking when it comes to eating. It's all about executing what you've learned--and not looking for super duper, secret, magic diet.

I'm not sure if you are the type of person who would actually take the time to do this but there is a link to a free pdf file all about eating that I offer somewhere in this thread.
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I'm going to ask you a question (because this is a "thinking" approach, right?)

With all the diets posted on this site and my site, what possibly could be groundbreaking?

Ask better questions--and then I'll give you the best answer to help you.

Trust me, there's nothing ground breaking when it comes to eating. It's all about executing what you've learned--and not looking for super duper, secret, magic diet.

I'm not sure if you are the type of person who would actually take the time to do this but there is a link to a free pdf file all about eating that I offer somewhere in this thread.
I'll attempt to ask better questions in the future.
I am certainly not looking for a "Super Diet", but merely looking for the structure you implement. I found Jeff Willets 2003 journal very helpful in structuring my contest diet. All the info is great as long as you know how to put it together. If not all you have is a pile of information and no way of sorting through it, unless you have the years of experience and take the trial and error that im sure you went through. I'm sure if you saw a way of, if not eliminating surely minimising the errors you would take it!

I know at the moment you aren't competing so i am interested about your diet structure at this stage in your career. I have absolutely no desire to try and copy it, just add it to the information i have gathered already and implement what makes sense to me.

I am the type of person to go looking for information so i'll let you know how i go finding that PDF.

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[QUOTE=skiplacour;165029481]It looks good. Great to get you going.

Make sure you have set times to eat these meals. Don't leave the schedule or timing of those meals up to chance. If you do, the chances increase that you won't have the all important structure.

Follow that plan for about six weeks, take notes; and get back to me with your assessment then. We'll build upon what you've done and what you've learned then too.

And remember: Talking about your diet later--if you don't follow through with this plan on a consistent basis--will be useless. We'll have to start the learning process all over again then if you don't.



In searching for the PDF on nutrition, i found this quote you made to another member, telling him how important structure was. Also about the timing of his meals???
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It looks good. Great to get you going.

Make sure you have set times to eat these meals. Don't leave the schedule or timing of those meals up to chance. If you do, the chances increase that you won't have the all important structure.

Follow that plan for about six weeks, take notes; and get back to me with your assessment then. We'll build upon what you've done and what you've learned then too.

And remember: Talking about your diet later--if you don't follow through with this plan on a consistent basis--will be useless. We'll have to start the learning process all over again then if you don't.



In searching for the PDF on nutrition, i found this quote you made to another member, telling him how important structure was. Also about the timing of his meals???

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With all the diets posted on this site and my site, what possibly could be groundbreaking?

Ask better questions--and then I'll give you the best answer to help you.

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I'm not sure if you are the type of person who would actually take the time to do this but there is a link to a free pdf file all about eating that I offer somewhere in this thread.
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Cheers Skip,
These are exactly what i was interested in.
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this new creatine hsc, is it going to be a whole new product or just an upgraded version? ast just upgraded their multi-pro and nytro-pro 40 (which is way better now!)
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Hi Skip,

hope you are doing awesome!

I got a question regarding the "Mind-Muscle-Connection" (MMC) when training very heavy and low reps.

On some body parts it's very easy to get a great MMC and feel the muscles being worked. When working chest I can literally feel every fiber of my pectoralis contracting. Whereas on other body parts it's very hard for me to "feel" the muscle. Rear-delts for example is one of these body parts. I hardly feel them when doing Bent-Over Laterals with low reps (4-6 reps).
In general, the heavier the weights and the lower the reps the harder it is for me to get a GREAT MMC. Are there any tips/advices you could give me as far as visualizing the muscles being worked goes?
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hope you are doing awesome!

I got a question regarding the "Mind-Muscle-Connection" (MMC) when training very heavy and low reps.

On some body parts it's very easy to get a great MMC and feel the muscles being worked. When working chest I can literally feel every fiber of my pectoralis contracting. Whereas on other body parts it's very hard for me to "feel" the muscle. Rear-delts for example is one of these body parts. I hardly feel them when doing Bent-Over Laterals with low reps (4-6 reps).
In general, the heavier the weights and the lower the reps the harder it is for me to get a GREAT MMC. Are there any tips/advices you could give me as far as visualizing the muscles being worked goes?
It sounds as if you lose the "feel" in the targeted muscle group when you go up in weight. I appreciate your desire to lift heavier weight but, if you don't directly stimulate the targeted muscle group, you compromise your effectiveness.

I'm sure you already realize all of this.

It may not necessarily be because the weight is too heavy. Rather, it could be that you've traded the need for direct stimulation for heavier weight in your mind.

Maybe you are making the jump in weight too quickly. I'm not really sure but keep striving to find that balance between direct stimulation and heavier weight. Then, always strive to build upon what you've already accomplished.

You don't have to give up one for the other--just work on the progression.
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It sounds as if you lose the "feel" in the targeted muscle group when you go up in weight. I appreciate your desire to lift heavier weight but, if you don't directly stimulate the targeted muscle group, you compromise your effectiveness.

I'm sure you already realize all of this.

It may not necessarily be because the weight is too heavy. Rather, it could be that you've traded the need for direct stimulation for heavier weight in your mind.
Maybe you are making the jump in weight too quickly. I'm not really sure but keep striving to find that balance between direct stimulation and heavier weight. Then, always strive to build upon what you've already accomplished.
You don?t have to give up one for the other?just work on the progression.

Yeah, I tend to lose the "feel". Striving for balance is the KEY. Do you think it would be good idea to trade the need for stimulation for heavier weight and make sure to "grow with" the heavier weight (focusing on stimulation) for my next session?
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Yeah, I tend to lose the "feel". Striving for balance is the KEY. Do you think it would be good idea to trade the need for stimulation for heavier weight and make sure to "grow with" the heavier weight (focusing on stimulation) for my next session?
The analogy I would use to answer your question is that of an airplane flying from New York to Los Angeles. Did you know that an airplane will be blown off course hundreds of times during that flight? The plane doesn't get from New York to Los Angeles in a straight line. The pilot simply makes the necessary adjustments when the airplane gets off course and gets it back on track.

You are not going to get to the heaviest amount of weight you can lift while still directly stimulating the targeted muscle group without making a few adjustments along the way.

I don't believe you should try to "perfect your way through" (so to speak). That's not how progress usually happens in the gym, for an airplane, or anywhere else in life.

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The analogy I would use to answer your question is that of an airplane flying from New York to Los Angeles. Did you know that an airplane will be blown off course hundreds of times during that fight? The plane doesn?t get from New York to Los Angeles in a straight line. The pilot simply makes the necessary adjustments when the airplane and gets it back on track.

You are not going to get to the heaviest amount of weight you can lift while still directly stimulating the targeted muscle group without making a few adjustments along the way.

I don?t believe you should try to "perfect your way through" (so to speak). That's now progress usually happens in the gym, for an airplane, or anywhere else in life.
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The analogy I would use to answer your question is that of an airplane flying from New York to Los Angeles. Did you know that an airplane will be blown off course hundreds of times during that flight? The plane doesn't get from New York to Los Angeles in a straight line. The pilot simply makes the necessary adjustments when the airplane gets off course and gets it back on track.

You are not going to get to the heaviest amount of weight you can lift while still directly stimulating the targeted muscle group without making a few adjustments along the way.

I don't believe you should try to "perfect your way through" (so to speak). That's not how progress usually happens in the gym, for an airplane, or anywhere else in life.

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Thank you again for this generous "donation"! Now even more lifters will benefit from your awesome work.
I'm just printing it and can't wait to "work my way" through it.
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