Deca Vs. Equipose

[ready2explode]

nahhhh gotta have test! i love it LOL

[Core]

Originally posted by Bison


BTW, regarding the various Finasol/Finaderm recipies, would removing the acetate using Par Deus' Synovex method be worth the trouble? As a matter of fact, would it even work? It seems that the ester is small enough to allow it to be effective as is but might be slightly better without it. What do you think?

I wonder about this too. Par had said in a kilosport 1-test post that the 1-test ester would have only 1/3 to 1/6 the absorption rate of the base. He pointed out a study with rats and testosterone transdermals. I would think the same rules would apply as acetate is an ester all be it is the simplest of the esters.

I don't know if it reduces the absporption by a full 1/3 though. That number seems high to me. I also wonder if the thickness of your transdermal body fat at the application site effect this absorption rate as well.

I'm planning on washing the ester off the fina in a future cycle. I'm hoping that will help dispense with the delayed startup of the fina and improve absorption.

Any one have an answer or opinion on Bison's question?

[Bison]

Big Cat

EQ/Tren/Winny is probably what I'll go with but I havn't decided yet on delivery. All injectable we all know is best but damn that's a lot of pokes. I'll be like a cartoon character, when I drink water it'll be all leaking out of the holes in my body. I don't think it's necessary to adamantly choose one way or the other, a combination might work well. Inject tren/winny, wait one day, then two days of trandermal/oral, repeat. This would reduce the number of injections from 28 to 14 in 6 weeks. Just my crazy idea.

Originally posted by Core


I wonder about this too. Par had said in a kilosport 1-test post that the 1-test ester would have only 1/3 to 1/6 the absorption rate of the base. He pointed out a study with rats and testosterone transdermals. I would think the same rules would apply as acetate is an ester all be it is the simplest of the esters.

I don't know if it reduces the absporption by a full 1/3 though. That number seems high to me. I also wonder if the thickness of your transdermal body fat at the application site effect this absorption rate as well.

I'm planning on washing the ester off the fina in a future cycle. I'm hoping that will help dispense with the delayed startup of the fina and improve absorption.

Any one have an answer or opinion on Bison's question?

I started a new Fina thread to address this issue.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...threadid=32114

[jmad]

HEY bigcat i have been taking EQ but i have been doing two injections weekly of 200 mg each should i do 1 of 400mg or keep it the same hope this is not a repititive question but it was not directly addressed in the previous conversations im also stacking it with winny orals at 20 mg a day thx

[Big Cat]

Single dose is more effective, with long acting esters, usually you would re-inject when the level reaches the same as it was when starting, usually around the 6th to 8th day. But Apart from getting a slower start, in long cycles I don't think the double dose will have cost you that much.

What you should be adressing is 20 mg of winny per day. What a waste of money. I'd quit using that stuff unless you are doing at least 50 mg a day. Its not gonna do anything for you anyway.

[jmad]

thanks big cat for the advice now my next ? is should i switch up now today is actually my injection day for the 200 mg or should i wait until tues. and do 400 and 400mg every tuesday for the rest of my cycle? also the reason i was only doing 20mg of winny is because in the book anabolics 2002 by robert llewlyn on page 178 2nd paragraph it says "for men the usual dosage of winstrol is 15-25 mg per day for the tabs and 25-50 every other for injections" but obviously you think that even in my first cycle i should up my dosage of win to 50 mgs a day, and if i were to do 50 a day at what times of day should i take the 5 pills all together split up etc. thanks a lot your help is appreciated

[Big Cat]

Don't drop a dose. If you are gonna go to 400, do it today. Instead of 200 inject 400, and next week, same time, inject another 400 and so on.

As for the winny, read the rest of the sentence in Anabolics 2002. It says "this decision made solely because of the difference in price" or something to that nature. And the doses in Anabolics 2002 are a bit on the low side. 50/day, all pills in a single dose.

[jmad]

THANX BIG CAT last ??? when is the best time to drop all five winnys pre workout or does it really matter

your help is much appreciated

[Big Cat]

You are going to be doing injectables at the same time, so it doesn't really matter. May get a little extra pump doing them 1.5 hours before a workout. But doesn't matter.

[kevo]

Just a quick Question on EQ,
My source and another more expensive one have both advised me to do two shots of EQ per wk they recon two is needed per wk to 'keep it in your system'.I have read Big cats profiles saying that it is best and easier to shoot all in once per wk I am by no means questioning his studies!
Is there any reason why i shouldnt do one shot per wk?
Im doing
EQ 400mg per wk/10 wks
STANOZOLOL 50mg per day/6 wks
Its not for bulk jst to add some strength and stamina during pre session rugby training with a 3 day split.Id be happy if i could gain lean 5lbs what do u guys recon?
PS Would i need a post cycle?

[UNF12345]

of course u would need a post cycle, nova and clomid.

[XFactor]

Originally Posted by kevo

Just a quick Question on EQ,
My source and another more expensive one have both advised me to do two shots of EQ per wk they recon two is needed per wk to 'keep it in your system'.I have read Big cats profiles saying that it is best and easier to shoot all in once per wk I am by no means questioning his studies!
Is there any reason why i shouldnt do one shot per wk?
Im doing
EQ 400mg per wk/10 wks
STANOZOLOL 50mg per day/6 wks
Its not for bulk jst to add some strength and stamina during pre session rugby training with a 3 day split.Id be happy if i could gain lean 5lbs what do u guys recon?
PS Would i need a post cycle?

One good reason to do EOD shots would be your friend fina. You are practically sitting on a mean lean cycle if you add tren in there for 6 wks. Course you'd need some HCG then too but think what might happen to your size. And bump to UNF don't do squat without pct.

[kevo]

Thanks Guys i have clomid on order for afters,starting all on Monday im looking into tren too! but as i said a gain of 5lbs would do me fine for now,maybe some test in the winter.

[Mr. Shoulders]

Take em both...along with some test of course

[rocketbike66]

hey Big Cat, I'm still confused on how often to inject EQ. Should it be every other day or once a week?

[guym]

Once a week...very long ester.


VERY old thread!!!!!!!!!!!

[coyak]

im taking equipoise righ now, which in my country El salvador is only known as boldenone. Taking it for an 8 week cycle, right now im on my third week, and damnnnnn baby im getting bigger but im still ripped and i have more vascularity also, try it.

[Electrical]

Originally Posted by coyak

im taking equipoise righ now, which in my country El salvador is only known as boldenone. Taking it for an 8 week cycle, right now im on my third week, and damnnnnn baby im getting bigger but im still ripped and i have more vascularity also, try it.

so what does your cycle look like?

just EQ? any test or pct?

just curious...

[C. Griswald]

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[made402]

This is my first cycle, I didnt want to do just test e because Im not looking for fat and water that bulking brings since I just lost about 3% BF with a good diet. Now Im 6ft. 215lbs. around 12-13% BF. Heres my question should I add a low dose of test e to keep my libido happy or will my proviron be enough? heres the gear I have but havent started yet, Any advice...

10 Week LEAN MASS Cycle
Weeks 1-10 50mg Proviron Every Day
Weeks 1-10 400mg Eq Per Week
Weeks 5-10 Winstrol 50mg Every Day

PCT
Week 11 40mg Nolvadex/100mg Clomid Every Day
Week 12 30mg Nolvadex/50mg Clomid Every Day
Week 13 20mg Nolvadex/50mg Clomid Every Day

[Russing]

Originally Posted by kevo

Just a quick Question on EQ,
My source and another more expensive one have both advised me to do two shots of EQ per wk they recon two is needed per wk to 'keep it in your system'.I have read Big cats profiles saying that it is best and easier to shoot all in once per wk I am by no means questioning his studies!
Is there any reason why i shouldnt do one shot per wk?
Im doing
EQ 400mg per wk/10 wks
STANOZOLOL 50mg per day/6 wks
Its not for bulk jst to add some strength and stamina during pre session rugby training with a 3 day split.Id be happy if i could gain lean 5lbs what do u guys recon?
PS Would i need a post cycle?

#

I think the reason why people say do more than weekly injections with equipose is because it is typically low dose per ml like 50mg/ml so to take 400mg a week would be 8ml - this would be way too much for 1 injection (you would need more like 4 injections) - however if you have a higher dosed product (non vet i guess) like 200 or 300mg a ml then i think 1 injection a week would be fine and easier

[Moose46]

sweet 5 1/2 yr old thread lol

[usarmy95]

so if I need 400mg per week for an 8 week cycle, approximately how much would that cost me based on the following:

Average Street-price: $150 - 250 per 50 ml bottle of 50 mg/ml
Available Doses: 25, 50 and 200 mg/ml

[Simon85]

Originally Posted by usarmy95

so if I need 400mg per week for an 8 week cycle, approximately how much would that cost me based on the following:

Average Street-price: $150 - 250 per 50 ml bottle of 50 mg/ml
Available Doses: 25, 50 and 200 mg/ml

You can't talk about prices here.

[kustej]

I've been wondering for some time now - how effective would an EQ only cycle be? even at a higher dose, say 600 mg, would it be worth it?

[Blitz-Test]

Originally Posted by IME

Any thoughts on Deca Durobolin Vs. Equipose in a mass cycle. For example, Deca's metabolites are traceable for 17-18 months vs. 4-5 months for Equipose. Both are relatively equal, being strongly anabolic, and only moderately androgenic. Both do well as base steroids stacked with others. Both aromotize very poorly. Prices are realtively the same depending on where and whom you buy from (law of supply and demand). However, Equipose requires more frequent injections (every other day) vs. once a week for Deca. Any thoughts or opinions are appreciated. Thanx.

hmmmm

Deca and EQ both have a similiar ester attached to it, basically like enanthate and cypionate in relavance, so they bothewr can be injected once a week or 2 times a week without problem.

Personally I do not know why people relate the two to each other, seems silly because they are so different.

For mass, on average Deca will allow for much better gains and at a much lower dose however it does not have some of the great effects that eq has.

EQ aromatizes at 50% the rate that test does

Deca aromatizes at 20% the rate that test does

Deca stimulates progesterone recepters at 20% the rate of progesterone itself

EQ converts anywhere from 9-59% to its DHT derivative 1-Testosterone, thats why some people love it 25%+ and some hate it 24%-

EQ stimulates natural increases collagen production upwards of 375% of normal levels

Deca increases collagen production up to 250%

EQ has a great appetite increasement



Plain and simple deca will give you much more mass with much more side effects, eq will give you leaner gains, less side effects and a few aesthetics and conditioning benefits, which is why alot choose eq over deca...

[kdog777]

In for next bump 5 years from now.

[usarmy95]

ok, so I cant talk about prices..

This maybe my first cycle, so how much to I need for a whole cycle?

[Simon85]

Originally Posted by usarmy95

ok, so I cant talk about prices..

This maybe my first cycle, so how much to I need for a whole cycle?

2 great choices...

1-10 test enanthate or cypionate 400-500mg/week
11-12 nothing
13 100mg of clomid/day
14-15 50mg of clomid/day

or with EQ

1-10 test enanthate or cypionate 400-500mg/week
1-10 EQ 400-600mg/week
11-12 nothing
13 100mg of clomid/day
14-15 50mg of clomid/day

[usarmy95]

right now I'm taking Androgel for 6 weeks. One pack a day.

Do I need a PCT after doing just Androgel?