Going for 200lbs

[cotton_eye_joe9]

Hello everyone. I set a goal back a few months ago that I would do a clean bulk and be atleast 200lbs by September.

It's not going well. I've recently cut cardio from my off days, and I'm beginning to buy a few pounds of sirloin steak a week. This is getting crazy. I weigh around 170lb right now (Please don't cut me down saying that I don't look like I weigh that much, because I weigh myself on the scales at the gym every morning that I lift.). I eat a lot, and I do most of my workouts to failure. I just got a tub of ON Whey Gold Standard today, and I'd love it if anyone could help me out by pointing out any good supplements or just anything (foods, ideas, workouts, etc.) that'd help me clean bulk to 200lbs.

Thank you in advance
-Joe

[32rval32]

working out to failure=bad idea

this can break down the muscle too far and they won't even be able to fully rebuild

try sets of 8 or 5... or even 10, 8, 6, 4

play with it, see what works best for you... but seriously workin out to failure on almost every workout is bad

[cotton_eye_joe9]

^Well what I meant by 'to failure' was like I'd do a set of 8 lifts, then try to see how many sets of 8 I could do until I'd be shaking and I'd fail. Sorry if I said what I meant wrong.

[Omar_McApple]

yeah im in the same boat as you dude, 170 goin for 200

this is a helpful snack to pack on calories


If you're having trouble hitting your 3,000 calories mark, use the advice my grandfather (my VERY greek grandfather) gave me for how to stop being so skinny (it works surprisingly well)

chop up 2 tomatos, put in a bowl, get 100ml of olive oil, put over tomatoes, cover with salt and lemon juice, eat the tomatoes and then get some bread to soak up the leftover juices.

He said they used it back at his village for the boys growing up because it gave them energy, little did he realise this meal of salad, bread and oil was worth over 1,000 calories!

how? because each gram of oil = 9 calories, 100ml oil = 900 calories + bread + tomatoes = 1,000+

[32rval32]

Originally Posted by cotton_eye_joe9

^Well what I meant by 'to failure' was like I'd do a set of 8 lifts, then try to see how many sets of 8 I could do until I'd be shaking and I'd fail. Sorry if I said what I meant wrong.

still a terrible idea

[TheIronOwl]

Originally Posted by cotton_eye_joe9

^Well what I meant by 'to failure' was like I'd do a set of 8 lifts, then try to see how many sets of 8 I could do until I'd be shaking and I'd fail. Sorry if I said what I meant wrong.

Lol that is still to failure.

Find or create a definite workout....don't just "wing it".

[wobemaster]

Read up on some good workouts, theres plenty on the net and make sure you get enough rest, it's often overlooked but really important.

Also work out exactly how many calories you're going to need a day, bmr calculator -> http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
your going to have to times that figure by 1.2-1.9 depending on how active you are then just add 500-1000cals on top of that.
If your having trouble making that amount a day, you can always look into getting a good weight gainer.

[cotton_eye_joe9]

Ok, thanks for all the help guys! Looks like I'll have to check up on my workout more, and I'll try that tomato trick.

Just curious, what would be a good weight gainer?

-Joe

[wobemaster]

Real gains- universal, Cytogainer- Cytosport, Serious Mass - Optimum; There's a few good ones. Look into how many cals you need first though, might be able to save yourself a few $ if you can get it all through your diet

[cotton_eye_joe9]

Originally Posted by Omar_McApple

yeah im in the same boat as you dude, 170 goin for 200

this is a helpful snack to pack on calories


If you're having trouble hitting your 3,000 calories mark, use the advice my grandfather (my VERY greek grandfather) gave me for how to stop being so skinny (it works surprisingly well)

chop up 2 tomatos, put in a bowl, get 100ml of olive oil, put over tomatoes, cover with salt and lemon juice, eat the tomatoes and then get some bread to soak up the leftover juices.

He said they used it back at his village for the boys growing up because it gave them energy, little did he realise this meal of salad, bread and oil was worth over 1,000 calories!

how? because each gram of oil = 9 calories, 100ml oil = 900 calories + bread + tomatoes = 1,000+

Thanks for that, but is that healthy? That has also like 14g of fat per 15ml serving. It's healthy fats for hte most part, but still, isn't that a lot? Im trying to do a clean bulk and I just don't want to gain much fat at all.

God, this feels so...wrong...to eat so much constantly.

Ok, so yesterday, I had:

Milk (6 1/2 cups): 585
Oatmeal: 150
Protein shake (2): 240
Wheat bread (10): 700
Poptart (Low fat, I could've sworn I read somewhere that this is good for bulking...) (2): 380
Peanut butter (Natural): 210
Turkey (2): 120
Peanuts: 280
Proti 15 Protein: 70
Olive oil mix: 960

So I had 3695 total calories yesterday.

I think what's nice about this is that since I have to eat so many calories, it's a lot easier to get my right ammount of protien. Today (lifting day) I'll be having some chicken breasts, some more turkey, some peanut butter, milk, bread, and some other things like that.

Does this sound like a good diet?

I feeling dumb saying this, but I think in the begginning, I was so worried about gaining fat, that I was on half a cutting diet. Like back then, my 'clean bulk' would involve eating a piece of chicken or something and then coming back 2 hours later and having a piece of bread with some peanut butter.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
-Joe

[rugby121]

i think red meat will help you, i went from eating none to 2-3 steaks per week & really helped

[cotton_eye_joe9]

Yeah I forgot to get more sirloin yesterday...shoot.

Wtf...I weighed myself this morning, I came in at 168...This is after 2 days of shoving food down my mouth...Electronic scales like the one in our house better not be accurate or I'm going to be pissed.

Ok so I'll probably pick up a few sirloin steaks today. Anything else? Tell me how you think I'm doing so far or something, because I want to be doing this right. btw, are low fat Poptarts good for bulking?

-Joe

[Gancor]

[cotton_eye_joe9]

^lol wow if I would've seen that music video, I would've never chosen this name as my username on most sites like 5 years ago lol

-Joe

[CatTheTrainer]

Originally Posted by 32rval32

working out to failure=bad idea

this can break down the muscle too far and they won't even be able to fully rebuild

try sets of 8 or 5... or even 10, 8, 6, 4

play with it, see what works best for you... but seriously workin out to failure on almost every workout is bad

wtf r u talking about....ur muscle doesn't just not repair because u've gone to failure, bodybuilders have to push each workout more and more allowing their failure point to be extended. Do not listen to this guy because this totally isnt true. The point is to go all out while allowing a sufficient amount of rest and nutrition for the training you've done. Never cut ur workouts short by not fully engaging the muscle to its complete failure, otherwise it wont grow.

[cotton_eye_joe9]

^That's what I originally thought too. So today I didn't workout to my limit, so I won't get as much muscle from today's lifting. I always thought I read somewhere that it's great to keep lifting until you're shaking and failing...

-Joe

[Snowy91]

Lol 30lbs by sept on a clean bulk? I'm shooting for a lean 200 by christmas lol. No point in getting fat, but its a slow process.

[cotton_eye_joe9]

^Damn...I thought bulking would go sorta fast...I figured I'd hit 200 sometime in September, then cut...

[Sculelos]

Originally Posted by cotton_eye_joe9

^Damn...I thought bulking would go sorta fast...I figured I'd hit 200 sometime in September, then cut...

Uh, it's already the middle of June. Assuming your not steroid enhanced I'm guessing about 5lbs/month is the most you will want to gain. 2 1/2 months would put you at about 182lbs and probably around 40% of the 12lbs would be fat... so to answer if you went up to 200lbs that would be about 30lbs gain assuming you can gain .5lbs of muscle in 12 weeks that would be 6lbs add in 3lbs of extra water retention and you got 9lbs of lean mass. Now I don't know if you like the idea of 70% of your bulk to be fat but if you do that choice is yours.

My source: http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1268956

[cotton_eye_joe9]

^Ok...so what would be a good goal for when I should hit 200lbs?

EDIT: Actually yeah 200lbs by September is a bit ridiculous if I wanna do a clean bulk... Would 200lbs by March next year be possible?

-Joe

[A-Russ]

Originally Posted by CatTheTrainer

wtf r u talking about....ur muscle doesn't just not repair because u've gone to failure, bodybuilders have to push each workout more and more allowing their failure point to be extended. Do not listen to this guy because this totally isnt true. The point is to go all out while allowing a sufficient amount of rest and nutrition for the training you've done. Never cut ur workouts short by not fully engaging the muscle to its complete failure, otherwise it wont grow.

i totally agree with you.
you can have alot of success training to failure. just train each body part at most 1x a week to give ample time to rebuild.
lol at the guy who said your muscles will break down too much and won't repair.

but seriously, training to failure can take its toll on your central nervous system to make sure you take a week off every 2-3 months

[Sculelos]

Originally Posted by cotton_eye_joe9

^Ok...so what would be a good goal for when I should hit 200lbs?

EDIT: Actually yeah 200lbs by September is a bit ridiculous if I wanna do a clean bulk... Would 200lbs by March next year be possible?

-Joe

March 2009 is definitely a reasonable goal. You might gain a little fat along the way but almost everyone gains fat when bulking, I'd say go for it. I personally am trying to hit 260lbs by January 1st, 2009. Even if I get fatter thats no real concern as long as I mostly gain muscle I can cut the fat off later. I just don't want my cut to go on too long as I tend to lose muscle while cutting... either way it's all about balance, you want to gain large amount of muscle while minimizing fat gains and when cutting it's the exact opposite.

[xoxx]

if you want to get to 200 pounds then you need to get 1.5-2g. of protein for every pound of body weight a day so you need to be getting like 220 grams of protein.

EAT
EAT
EAT.

ALOT.

fat is your friend you need to accept that.

[cotton_eye_joe9]

Going lifting tommorow, going to do the 'lift to failure' routine.

Had chicken, turkey, peanut butter, some wheat bread, eggs (yolks included), 2 scoops of whey and quite a bit more.

Is it good to eat the yolks in eggs? Isn't that where a lot of the protein comes from?

Also, when I ordered my ON Whey, I got my free sample of Purple Wraath. I loved the taste, the feeling, everything. Would a tub of Purple Wraath possibly help me with my gains?

Thanks! (God My stomach and my jaw are both sore) lol

-Joe

[huesosx3]

If you want to bulk up switch protien. I've taken ON whey and i was getting leaner but no weight gain, but thats what its for. Its got Aminogen or something that makes it so you lean out. doesn't mean you lose weigth just stay at the same weight, but still and inches to your arms and chest, all that good stuff while shrinkin your waist.

[cotton_eye_joe9]

^Ehh that ain't gonna fly. Don't wanna have 2 tubs of the same kind of stuff setting around. but in a few weeks when I'm out of ON should I try Muscle Milk? God I really like ON though...

So what's thoughts on Purple Wraath? Would it help me out? Also, when I have eggs, should I have the yolks too?

-Joe

[kickassdude]

my c0ck is about 150lbs.

[cotton_eye_joe9]

^Viagras do not act as fat burners dumbass.

So anyways...

[kickassdude]

Originally Posted by cotton_eye_joe9

^Viagras do not act as fat burners dumbass.

So anyways...

go suck my enormous dick.

[razors_edge]

I am just a week away from finishing a bulk cycle. A couple pounds of sirloin won't get you anywhere. I eat about 40 pounds a week, total of ground beef, steak, chicken and tuna. Long story short is I'm always eating. From moring, to night, I'm always shoving food down my throat, with the exeption of working out.

1 of the most important things is make sure you get ur breakfast in right. First thing i take is my multi, then follow it down with 4 boiled eggs, only eat the egg white, then make a 8-egg omlete, 4 pieces of whole grain toast, 3 cups of oats, and about 2 glasses of milk. About 30 minute safter I have a good shake of whey. Make sure you start off the breakfast right, becuase its argueable the most important meal of the day.

Another tip I can give you is make sure whatever you eat, make sure you can gain from it. Example is I used to drink orange juice in the morning, but why drink that, when you can drink milk, and gain from the milk?

I used this routine for workingout: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/south1.htm , I added a few more exersizes to the chest routine, with dumb bells and such. After the warm-up reps, you should BARLEY be able to get the other sets. If you're doing a set of 8, you should work with weight that by the 8th rep, you're barley being able to do it, you cant do a 9th rep. Work with heavy ass weight, eat an assload of food, and get appriate rest.

My two cents to you, good luck.