Supplementation.

[psychowolverine]

Originally Posted by dbx

Um...no

well then.... forget it

[dbx]

Originally Posted by psychowolverine

well then.... forget it

I will. Carry on

[snoack]

Originally Posted by psychowolverine

there is a cycling recommendation...

I havent used it in some time, so I am sure I would be good to go again.

The boost of energy I got was never really felt just sitting there.. I just had the motivation to lift and stayed at it longer.

pumps were always there

That was back when I really didn't know what I was doing, learning more everyday.

...for example- I decided to try using creatine, so I was reading up on cycling. Most of the recommendations I saw were 4 weeks on/4 weeks off, so I think I'm going to start with that and see how it works for me.

[bodyhard]

OK I put this on another thread but I better update my own

Today I was approach in the gym by one of the regulars and he stated that I looked engorged with blood! But then he messed it up by asking me if I was on Test Cypionate, because he was on it and it gave him the "look" I had on me What is amazing is that he has no idea I was on it and he sees me day in and day out in he gym, so that says alot!

I am liking this alot

No strength increase...

[psychowolverine]

Originally Posted by bodyhard

OK I put this on another thread but I better update my own

Today I was approach in the gym by one of the regulars and he stated that I looked engorged with blood! But then he messed it up by asking me if I was on Test Cypionate, because he was on it and it gave him the "look" I had on me What is amazing is that he has no idea I was on it and he sees me day in and day out in he gym, so that says alot!

I am liking this alot

No strength increase...

Have you noticed your sets getting a little easier? Wanting to do more than your normal workout?

[bodyhard]

Originally Posted by psychowolverine

Have you noticed your sets getting a little easier? Wanting to do more than your normal workout?

Not yet...

[psychowolverine]

BH, whats the latest on this?

[bodyhard]

Originally Posted by psychowolverine

BH, whats the latest on this?

So far just a pump, no strength as of yet. But this is only my second week on it so I will see within 3-4 weeks how I start feeling.

Also I had a minor setback with the fasting for my little surgery so to speak, so it is very hard to determine why me strength hasn't gone up I felt extremely week during that little episode.

I would have loved to have been 100% before taking these supps to make a better assessment of them, but I will do my best in this state.

[Hey-Iwas51]

Originally Posted by psychowolverine

BH, whats the latest on this?

Hey Psycho... I just skimmed a couple pages of this thread, but it looked like you were struggling a bit to afford some NO xplode. Maybe you know this already, but a significant amount of what it does is caused by the Amino Acid L-arginine it contains. To save money, I take that combined with some L-glutamine Peptide before a work out, and man, does it really help.

FYI, L-arginine is pretty cheap by itself...

No question NO Xplode is going to be better, but the Arginine does pretty good for me at least, all by itself (maybe mixing it with the Glutamine Peptides helps too). Check out the ingredients in the link below... first thing listed in the proprietary blend is the L-Arginine...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bsn/xplode.html

Other thing was, someone (was it BH?) who didn't like the idea that NO X includes caffein. Whoever it was, try the Arginine by itself...

Dan

[oldsuperman]

Originally Posted by oldsuperman

I like BCAA better too, yet it all is so expen$ive when you can put the main ingredients together yourself for pennies on the dollar. I've tried most all the NO's as they give away so much sups at the comps. If you're a competitor, they give you whole tubs of it.

The main ingredient that causes the NO effect is L-Arginine, a free form amino acid which is a building block. I take 3750mg a day. 2500gm 1hr before training and the rest after training.

L-Arganine is a precursor for the synthesis of Nitric Oxide (NO)

Stimulation of the release of the most important anti-aging hormone in the body, growth hormone.

Improves immune function

Reduces healing time of injuries (particularly bone)

Reduces risk of heart disease

Increases muscle mass

Reduces adipose tissue body fat

Helps improve insulin sensitivity

Helps decrease blood pressure

Alleviates male infertility, improving sperm production and motility

It increases circulation throughout the body, including the sex organs.

Arginine is the immediate precursor of NO, urea, ornithine and agmatine; is necessary for the synthesis of creatine; and can also be used for the synthesis of polyamines (mainly through ornithine and to a lesser degree through agmatine), citrulline, and glutamate.

For being a precursor of NO, (relaxes blood vessels), arginine is used in many conditions where vasodilation is required. The presence of asymmetric dimethylarginine (ADMA), a close relative, inhibits the nitric oxide reaction; therefore, ADMA is considered a marker for vascular disease, just as L-arginine is considered a sign of a healthy endothelium.

Also 2250gm of L-Ornithine. 1500gm 1hr before training and the rest after training.

Bottom line, take a caffeine drink, ephedra, or your stimulant of choice and save a butt load of $$$$ by putting the ingredients together yourself. Most of the other ingredients in the stuff is all fluff. IMO.

Originally Posted by Hey-Iwas51

Hey Psycho... I just skimmed a couple pages of this thread, but it looked like you were struggling a bit to afford some NO xplode. Maybe you know this already, but a significant amount of what it does is caused by the Amino Acid L-arginine it contains. To save money, I take that combined with some L-glutamine Peptide before a work out, and man, does it really help.

FYI, L-arginine is pretty cheap by itself...

No question NO Xplode is going to be better, but the Arginine does pretty good for me at least, all by itself (maybe mixing it with the Glutamine Peptides helps too). Check out the ingredients in the link below... first thing listed in the proprietary blend is the L-Arginine...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bsn/xplode.html

Other thing was, someone (was it BH?) who didn't like the idea that NO X includes caffein. Whoever it was, try the Arginine by itself...

Dan

Ya, I brought this up early in the thread, yet, went pretty much unheeded. (Head scratching? )

[OutOfStep]

You might be better off taking the arginine before bed for growth hormone response. Dose range is 5-9 grams. There are several studies which show taking it pre workout blunts growth hormone response from exercise. Here is a link to one:

http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/00285.2006v1.pdf

[psychowolverine]

Originally Posted by Hey-Iwas51

Hey Psycho... I just skimmed a couple pages of this thread, but it looked like you were struggling a bit to afford some NO xplode. Maybe you know this already, but a significant amount of what it does is caused by the Amino Acid L-arginine it contains. To save money, I take that combined with some L-glutamine Peptide before a work out, and man, does it really help.

FYI, L-arginine is pretty cheap by itself...

No question NO Xplode is going to be better, but the Arginine does pretty good for me at least, all by itself (maybe mixing it with the Glutamine Peptides helps too). Check out the ingredients in the link below... first thing listed in the proprietary blend is the L-Arginine...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bsn/xplode.html

Other thing was, someone (was it BH?) who didn't like the idea that NO X includes caffein. Whoever it was, try the Arginine by itself...

Dan

Thanks... I did know that, but I have little knowledge on it.. I will look into it deeper.

thanks again

[psychowolverine]

Originally Posted by OutOfStep

You might be better off taking the arginine before bed for growth hormone response. Dose range is 5-9 grams. There are several studies which show taking it pre workout blunts growth hormone response from exercise. Here is a link to one:

http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/00285.2006v1.pdf

interesting

[dbx]

Well, here's one more to further confuse you. It's a reader friendly article, but it supports many articles/studies I've read in the past...that basically tell you that taking arginine orally by itself...is all but useless. And further, taking it without pre-cursors is going to guarantee its uselessness. But you decide
(keep in mind that I basically grabbed the first link of many that will basically tell you the same thing)

http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/index...ticle&go2=1411

So, once again, beside some synergistic effects of other ingredients found in products like NO-X, they're largely about the caffeine (for anyone just joining this thread, I use a NO product every day). You guys should spend just 10 minutes researching the amazing effects caffeine has on the body/CNS. You'll soon realize that the "claims" plastered on the labels of these NO products can almost all be attributed with what caffeine does for you . Caffeine is really underestimated.

[psychowolverine]

but is it not said that caffeine is a restrictor of blood flow (tightening the blood vessels and arteries)?

[dbx]

Originally Posted by psychowolverine

but is it not said that caffeine is a restrictor of blood flow (tightening the blood vessels and arteries)?

That question has been posed (about mixing caffeine with arginine) many times....and answered...somewhere, lol. I can't recall the answer, but the question is not new. However, one only need point to the thousands of users of NO products (w/caffeine...like NO-X) that talk about the "amazing pumps" they get, eh? BH has mentioned the same thing. So, you tell me

[psychowolverine]

I could take a ton of caffeine and not get the same pumps or long lasting pumps I do with NO products...

[dbx]

Originally Posted by psychowolverine

I could take a ton of caffeine and not get the same pumps or long lasting pumps I do with NO products...

I used to think the same thing. I would guess that you've only been using NO products for a short time...like, less than a year? Not only is desensitization going to come into play (at least, highly likely), but you'll also realize that carb intake (simple carbs especially) and water intake play a big role in "the pump". As already mentioned, I use NO almost every day. My first year taking NO, I got those "skin bursting" pumps (lofl) almost every time I used it. This soon dwindled to hit and miss. I'll leave you with one suggestion and then leave it at that; as I previously suggested, caffeine is grossly underestimated. Spend a few minutes reading about it. Then, spend an hour or two reading about orally ingesting L-arginine and its effects. But for this part, don't read BB.com articles and alike. There are many medical research and other scientific studies out there to go through. Then, you decide for yourself about the efficacy of arginine itself.

[Hey-Iwas51]

Originally Posted by dbx

Well, here's one more to further confuse you. It's a reader friendly article, but it supports many articles/studies I've read in the past...that basically tell you that taking arginine orally by itself...is all but useless. And further, taking it without pre-cursors is going to guarantee its uselessness. But you decide
(keep in mind that I basically grabbed the first link of many that will basically tell you the same thing)

http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/index...ticle&go2=1411

So, once again, beside some synergistic effects of other ingredients found in products like NO-X, they're largely about the caffeine (for anyone just joining this thread, I use a NO product every day). You guys should spend just 10 minutes researching the amazing effects caffeine has on the body/CNS. You'll soon realize that the "claims" plastered on the labels of these NO products can almost all be attributed with what caffeine does for you . Caffeine is really underestimated.

dbx I didn't get your conclusions out of this article... Yes, it does say GH is possibly decreased if you take Arginine before a work out, but that is not necessarily the only reason you might want to take it. It does not say you can't get energy, blood flow, pump etc. It looked to me from the article that there are good reasons to take Arginine. Certainly not that it is worthless...

I have not taken it a lot, but on the evenings when I am tired and want to work out late, it gives me a real boost, and a pump. Throw in some B complex vitamins and I'm good for a couple hours... (can't do that late in the evening though).

Dan

[bodyhard]

Positive update on my stack. I take this 45 minutes before my workout NO, CEE and the M-stack

So yesterday was blistering hot as hell and there was no AC in the gym (yes!!!) Leg day, I f'cking killed it. Got up to 6 plates per side on the squat machine just three weeks ago I was doing only 3 plates per side. I know that is not alot but please keep in mind that I am still coming off my crushed pelvis and recovering everyday!

The only thing I am not liking about it is all the sweating it is a little too much and that kind of scares me as I do not want to lose weight.

[psychowolverine]

Originally Posted by bodyhard

The only thing I am not liking about it is all the sweating it is a little too much and that kind of scares me as I do not want to lose weight.

its a temporary weight loss through sweat...

You can lose a couple pounds or more through sweating, but gain it back with water replenishing.. no biggie

[dbx]

Originally Posted by Hey-Iwas51

dbx I didn't get your conclusions out of this article... Yes, it does say GH is possibly decreased if you take Arginine before a work out, but that is not necessarily the only reason you might want to take it. It does not say you can't get energy, blood flow, pump etc. It looked to me from the article that there are good reasons to take Arginine. Certainly not that it is worthless...

I said, "it was all but useless", not totally worthless. OK, semantics . Yes, L-arginine does increase blood flow by relaxing the blood vessels, but the key (forget about GH) is the amount, the method used to take it, and the timing. In the best case scenario, if taken properly using all three criteria, you may indirectly benefit from dosing with it much in the same way you indirectly benefit from using creatine. Explore these things further and then consider the way you're using it (and the way most do), and you may see my point. I will leave it at that...period.

[Hey-Iwas51]

Originally Posted by dbx

In the best case scenario, if taken properly using all three criteria, you may indirectly benefit from dosing with it much in the same way you indirectly benefit from using creatine.

Well, for me the benefit of it is mostly the energy I get (but of course I like the pump too.) I have been so busy lately that it seems like the only chance I get to work out is after 10 PM. Usually I have crashed in the recliner by then, and falling asleep. If I grab some arginine and jump on the eliptical for 5 or 10 minutes, I feel like working out again. For me it is like a caffein rush without the headache! Thanks for the discussion!

Dan

[Aletha]

Yes, I agree. Maybe you should lay off the NO-X.

[dbx]

Originally Posted by Aletha

Yes, I agree. Maybe you should lay off the NO-X.

You should try reading the entire thread

[bodyhard]

Originally Posted by psychowolverine

its a temporary weight loss through sweat...

You can lose a couple pounds or more through sweating, but gain it back with water replenishing.. no biggie

I hope you are right

[Hey-Iwas51]

Originally Posted by dbx

You should try reading the entire thread

Yeah, I'm not sure who she was talking to actually...

[thomasale]

Started on an NO X cycle again due to this thread. I used in the past and stopped due to it losing its effect. Back on and the intensity is there again. Longer and better WO with more focus. No change yet on the pump but I get a good one each time into the gym.

[bodyhard]

Update:

No more pump, energy still there!

Strength: I can not make an accurate assessment on this, because of the medication the doc has me on, I am constantly in the bathroom, I am losing weight and I feel weak.

But on the flip side I am getting stronger because I got to 225lbs on the bench, but I truly believe if I wasn't losing so much with the meds I would probably be stronger..

Carl suggested I lay off the supps till I get off the medication.....

[dbx]

Originally Posted by bodyhard

No more pump...

Want to try a simple experiment? Eat a small/medium apple a half hour before you take NO-X next time, and maybe an additional glass of water. Let me know if the pump comes back