almost had a "bodyhard" moment yesterday.

[EMISGOD]

Originally Posted by slackdaddy

I would advise some interval traing on the bike if you are planning on running down cars. Not to derail the thread but have you seen the video of the guy outrunning the cops on a bike?

If I am going to run down cars on the bike, I need better weaponry...I doubt my bike is fast enough...maybe if I get the Pinarello...

I haven't seen that yet, no...linky?

[patrick24601]

"Then again sometimes it doesnt feel right to a man to let someone punk him out for no reason either."

This has nothing to do with being a man . It is attitudes like this in large metal vehicles going 60mph that end very badly sometimes. Be careful with ego.

[biggaz]

[QUOTE=John Prophet;1699467 BH pops up like "bro, u gonna let them throw the hand up on you like that and u arent even going to go investigate the situation further? whats next, u gonna give em a backrub?"

[/QUOTE]

LMFAO!!!

[surlycurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Reality_Check

Personally I'm not too troubled with how you confronted the guy. Pulling him over and getting out to beat him up would be where you cross the line I think.

Agreed.

[John Prophet]

Originally Posted by patrick24601

This has nothing to do with being a man . It is attitudes like this in large metal vehicles going 60mph that end very badly sometimes. Be careful with ego.

Well, there is a fine line there isnt it? It doesnt take a genius to see the HUGE trend towards femininization/demasculation of the average man today. Somewhere, somehow, men have to find it within themselves to counteract this trend.

I am not sure what kind of man one would be if he just lets everyone run over top of him all the time.

Fighting itself didnt always carry the stigma it does today. Good natured fights between men used to occur quite a bit more frequently and back then men used to have a WAY stronger sense of honor. Quite often men would become best friends after such a fight.

Its funny how we let society tell us what is proper. for instance its improper for a man to personally defend his own sense of honor....yet its proper to totally destroy other countries thru preemptive wars?

[surlycurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by John Prophet

Well, there is a fine line there isnt it? It doesnt take a genius to see the HUGE trend towards femininization/demasculation of the average man today. Somewhere, somehow, men have to find it within themselves to counteract this trend.

I am not sure what kind of man one would be if he just lets everyone run over top of him all the time.

Fighting itself didnt always carry the stigma it does today. Good natured fights between men used to occur quite a bit more frequently and back then men used to have a WAY stronger sense of honor. Quite often men would become best friends after such a fight.

Its funny how we let society tell us what is proper. for instance its improper for a man to personally defend his own sense of honor....yet its proper to totally destroy other countries thru preemptive wars?

Agreed as well. It's the societal lack of resistances to *******-ish behavior that encourages same. When jerks start discovering that their actions have consequences, the smarter ones temper their actions. The dumber ones get Darwinned.

[gbg]

Originally Posted by John Prophet

Well, there is a fine line there isnt it? It doesnt take a genius to see the HUGE trend towards femininization/demasculation of the average man today. Somewhere, somehow, men have to find it within themselves to counteract this trend.

I am not sure what kind of man one would be if he just lets everyone run over top of him all the time.

Fighting itself didnt always carry the stigma it does today. Good natured fights between men used to occur quite a bit more frequently and back then men used to have a WAY stronger sense of honor. Quite often men would become best friends after such a fight.

Its funny how we let society tell us what is proper. for instance its improper for a man to personally defend his own sense of honor....yet its proper to totally destroy other countries thru preemptive wars?

I think your taking what it is to be a man just a tad far. Why would a man with self confidence and such a strong sense of honor really give a **** what some ******* punks are doing anyway????

[blabber]

Originally Posted by gbg

I think your taking what it is to be a man just a tad far. Why would a man with self confidence and such a strong sense of honor really give a **** what some ******* punks are doing anyway????

Finally, someone with a little common sense.

[patrick24601]

"I am not sure what kind of man one would be if he just lets everyone run over top of him all the time."

Masculinity and being a man having nothing to do with

...defending yourself when someone cuts you off in a car
...getting in after school fight over a girl
...getting in someones face when they call you a queer and you hate the word
...breaking someones arm when the give you the finger

Like someone else pointed out the smarter person would just laugh it off and let it go. You accomplish nothing by chasing them down, "winning" when racing your cars, or beating the crap out of them.

The best way for someone to defend his honor is to maintain it in first place. Beating the crap out of someone is not honorable. It is childish. Anybody over the age of 16-17 that still thinks this is the way conflicts should be handled has a difficult life ahead.

[cast iron shore]

Originally Posted by EMISGOD

...this is almost never a problem, particularly since most of the time they have nowhere to run. If they try to apologize (nearly all of them do once they seem me bearing down -- and I will make it a point to pull up right next to them and start making gestures)...

If NEARLY all apologize then some don't. What do you do when that happens?

[EMISGOD]

Originally Posted by cast iron shore

If NEARLY all apologize then some don't. What do you do when that happens?

That is true. Some do not.

My reaction really depends on a lot of factors, such as what my schedule at the time is, if I can even get them to stop without causing a disruption to traffic flow (don't want to attract attention necessarily), how much other traffic (potential witnesses) are about, if it's a stupid woman with kids, any cops in the vicinity, etc. My goal is to illustrate that they should keep their idiotic vehicular maneuvers to themselves and sometimes a few miss that, I guess. I like to believe they go away from our encounters as more cautious about how they conduct themselves behind the wheel.

That's not really answering your question, I guess. Some I let go after a while and some wind up facing the thunder, although none of them have faced it particularly well...

[cast iron shore]

Originally Posted by EMISGOD

...some wind up facing the thunder, although none of them have faced it particularly well...

What does "facing the thunder" mean? What do you do when you decide to do something more?

[EMISGOD]

Originally Posted by cast iron shore

What does "facing the thunder" mean? What do you do when you decide to do something more?

It doesn't strike me as a particularly good idea to elaborate further on this, other than to say that you may have heard that people have two reactions when confronted: flight or fight. I'd say the vast majority choose flight, but there is a third possibility as well, which is acting like choosing the fight response but taking a good solid beating instead.

It has been one of my biggest struggles not to view people's inept driving as an actual assault to me personally and to my well-being, which is what triggers all of this. I can logically understand that they are just inferior operators of a motor vehicles and probably moronic, sub-human dimwits but rationality goes pretty immediately out the window and those are not the thoughts I think any longer. Instead, the thought process moves directly into the realm of defensive counter-attack. I like to think I'm getting better but some days I once again find myself following some waterhead for a little "come to Jesus" session...a few times I've forgotten where I was originally going and have driven by turns I intended on making, which is a lapse I find bothersome when I finally do notice...

[John Prophet]

Originally Posted by gbg

I think your taking what it is to be a man just a tad far. Why would a man with self confidence and such a strong sense of honor really give a **** what some ******* punks are doing anyway????

ah yes, the classic scenario of a woman telling a man what it means to be a man.

[EMISGOD]

Originally Posted by John Prophet

ah yes, the classic scenario of a woman telling a man what it means to be a man.

That's not what she said and I doubt she meant it in the way of instruction...it seemed more opinion and an actual question than directives...

Originally Posted by gbg

I think your taking what it is to be a man just a tad far. Why would a man with self confidence and such a strong sense of honor really give a **** what some ******* punks are doing anyway????

I have no disagreement to this at all and I'd say the same thing myself, in theory...in reality, it is more the case as I mentioned specifically with me, though, so moving theory into reality is much less easier than typing the words...

[bodyhard]

Originally Posted by John Prophet

Well, there is a fine line there isnt it? It doesnt take a genius to see the HUGE trend towards femininization/demasculation of the average man today. Somewhere, somehow, men have to find it within themselves to counteract this trend.

I am not sure what kind of man one would be if he just lets everyone run over top of him all the time.

Fighting itself didnt always carry the stigma it does today. Good natured fights between men used to occur quite a bit more frequently and back then men used to have a WAY stronger sense of honor. Quite often men would become best friends after such a fight.

Its funny how we let society tell us what is proper. for instance its improper for a man to personally defend his own sense of honor....yet its proper to totally destroy other countries thru preemptive wars?

Dude I couldn't agree more too many F'cking wimps for men these days I have no idea when all of this happen but ****, where the hell did they all go?

[blabber]

Let's put it this way. I have never started a fight over some silly trivial worthless event. I have, however, ENDED a few!

Natural selection usually takes care of the rest. I save the 'thunder' for times that are worth the effort.

[Whiskeyjack]

Originally Posted by EMISGOD

..moving theory into reality is much less easier than typing the words...

This is quite true, and often overlooked.

[chodan9]

Originally Posted by bodyhard

Dude I couldn't agree more too many F'cking wimps for men these days I have no idea when all of this happen but ****, where the hell did they all go?

A little too much "getting in touch with your inner child" I'm thinking.
While I wouldnt go out of my way to lock glares with some punk on the freeway, I dont let people walk all over me either. I've come too close to losing my job a few times by confronting the wrong people heh heh, not too bright/
Letting someone like the driver punk get under my skin enough to cause me to chase him down is too much like handing over my power to him.
Guys like that will get whats coming to them in short order anyway.

A man can let stuff like that go and still be a man, we have to pick our battles. If every time someone causes you a problem then its fight time, it diminishes or dilutes the times when it my be important to make a stand.

[John Prophet]

Originally Posted by chodan9

A man can let stuff like that go and still be a man, we have to pick our battles. If every time someone causes you a problem then its fight time, it diminishes or dilutes the times when it my be important to make a stand.

yes, fine and dandy. But lets balance that off with the other side of the coin. What about men who NEVER confront anything?? We are not talking about EVERYtime being fight time...we are looking at the other extreme of it NEVER being fight time.

IMO a man like that will have half his life stolen from him and he wont even realize it.

So which side do I want to err on?? I can tell u straight up, I feel more regret in life for the times I DIDNT light into someone or at least boldly speak up than for the times I did so out of line.


I remember when I was like 25yrs old I was on the job one day and the boss was giving us a little speech about how he wasnt happy with this that or the other. So me, being the good little non-confrontationalist, I just sat and listened and looked "downcast" as they expect u to look during such speeches, lol.

So then I think someone chuckled or something and the boss raised his voice a little like "damnit, im not joking". I was ex military so I didnt think much of it. But then this one guy brisked right up and said in a very firm voice. "JR, im not going to have you raising your voice to me". !!!!!!

And that was just from a rank and file worker. OMG, it was pretty classic. I was sort of surprised and I was thinking to myself "I hear ya redneck". At first I was thinking dude was being silly to even say such a thing. But then I started thinking it was pretty cool. So later I see the boss APOLOGIZING to the worker and the worker said "Thats ok, just dont let it happen again." !!!!

Of course, the times I have tried that it tended to backfire, lol. Yes, there is such a thing as speaking up TOO much for yourself...or getting riled up TOO easily. But then there is the equal or greater issue of never getting riled up.

I trained a guy once...I cant picture dude ever getting mad or raising his voice. To me thats as bad or worse than a hothead. This guy wondered why he wasnt doign well at job interviews and why his wife wouldnt pay him much attention etc. Damn, I guess not bro, at some point in the year ya gotta pound your chest or roar or do SOMETHING to let people know you dont squat to pee.


so yeah, I agree, its totally juvenile to exchange hard looks on the highway. Its foolish and proves nothing. Then again, neither does skydiving or arm wrestling your buddy. I say that at some regular intervals a man has to do something to demonstrate to himself that he has a set...even if it is in some small childish way.

[patrick24601]

"even if it is in some small childish way."

That sums up what happened at your work pretty well. Yes it happened to work out well that one time. But the guy approached it poorly and the odds were not in his favor. Heck - even a broken clock gets it right twice a day.

And the conversation is moving away from what it takes to have a "set" and more towards what it takes to be a decent human being - man or woman. I am very non-confrontational. I don't have to be. Something just like what happened at your work happened to me once. I paused, took a breathe and said something like "Please talk to me and my coworkers with the respect we deserve. There is no need to raise your voice.". That has a much better chance of working than me walking up swinging my pole over my shoulder beating on big manly chest to show the boss I don't take his crap.

I don't let people walk all over me. And the quieter I am about a situation the more upset I am about it. I brush immature crap like the previous posts have brought up all of the time. I have less bruises to show for it. Yet somehow I still manage to raise family, pay a mortgage, shoot pool and play poker with the guys, and get up and speak my mind when the time warrants.

Let me check... yep... somehow still got a left one and right one

Peace my friends.

[John Prophet]

Originally Posted by patrick24601

I have less bruises to show for it. Yet somehow I still manage to raise family, pay a mortgage, shoot pool and play poker with the guys, and get up and speak my mind when the time warrants.

Peace my friends.

well then consider my posts as being for the "rest of us" who dont have everything perfectly together like you.

you are obviously already "there"....so just ignore the rest of us who are still imperfect

[gbg]

Originally Posted by John Prophet

well then consider my posts as being for the "rest of us" who dont have everything perfectly together like you.

you are obviously already "there"....so just ignore the rest of us who are still imperfect

Not that I'm perfect but please speak for yourself. You don't need to have it all together to act civil towards others and have enough self respect and common knowledge to know that beating your chest like a cave man will give you a sense of anything but being very confused.

[John Prophet]

Im pretty much extremely civil...even to the point of being TOO civil and way too accomodating of others. (doormat)

thats where the question arises as how to handle it when someone is uncivil or disrepectful toward me. if one is out looking for trouble then he almost deserves to find it and he has no room to get mad when he does. But when one already goes out of his way to be a cool laid back person and he gets disrespected etc anyway, it tends to make that self rightousness or rightous anger flare up.

I just find it interesting that a woman would want a man to be essentially passive.

[gbg]

Originally Posted by John Prophet

Im pretty much extremely civil...even to the point of being TOO civil and way too accomodating of others. (doormat)

thats where the question arises as how to handle it when someone is uncivil or disrepectful toward me. if one is out looking for trouble then he almost deserves to find it and he has no room to get mad when he does. But when one already goes out of his way to be a cool laid back person and he gets disrespected etc anyway, it tends to make that self rightousness or rightous anger flare up.

I just find it interesting that a woman would want a man to be essentially passive.

Don't know about other woman but to me there is nothing more attractive than a man in control of his feelings acting civil in an uncivil situation trying to resolve rather than dispute.
I know he can take care of things (physically) if they should get out of hand
the fact that he doesn't have to go there to prove anything is what I as a woman appreciate in a man.

[EMISGOD]

Originally Posted by EMISGOD

If I am going to run down cars on the bike, I need better weaponry...I doubt my bike is fast enough...maybe if I get the Pinarello...

Well, so here's a traffic story from today, though this one is more amusing...I was at a traffic light and had to dodge through a bunch of cars that couldn't figure out what those big white stripes ACROSS the lanes are for (apparently parking in the middle of )...I wound up behind a Metro and followed him through the light and I thought what the Hell, let's just see what's what here...it took him a good couple blocks to pull away, which was pissing him off to no end...my Legs were screaming, but I kept up pretty well with him until it came time for my turn...I was thinking of this thread nearly the entire time and chuckling to myself...

[John Prophet]

Originally Posted by gbg

Don't know about other woman but to me there is nothing more attractive than a man in control of his feelings acting civil in an uncivil situation trying to resolve rather than dispute.
I know he can take care of things (physically) if they should get out of hand
the fact that he doesn't have to go there to prove anything is what I as a woman appreciate in a man.

lol

a man cant really win these days. He can be the proverbial doormat 364 days per year...he wins no medals for it, nor does any woman ever say "ya know, that self control is kinda sexy". But then let him return a glance to someone ONE time and all of a sudden dude is labeled as a hothead.

I suppose then its a good thing that I dont particularly live my life to please a woman (impossible task)


A man who exhibits great self control, fo rinstance in the gym....he doesnt draw attention to himself etc, just goes about his business quietly...as far as drawing fem attention he may as well forget it, lol.

Meanwhile the blowhard, weight dropper/grunter never fails to have this or that woman looking his way.

I think with women they say one thing from their head, but regardless they are attracted to the opposite of what their head says.

[Guinness42]

Originally Posted by TANK25

Same here in PA.!!!!


A gun permit has done the same thing for me!!!!

Same for me in Indiana. I always pack my Glock 9 with an extra clip. My company is in a tough neighborhood so it's my insurance policy to get me home to my family at night. Any time Cops films in Indianapolis it's by my office .

So when I'm packing I'm always a little more cautious about getting into somthing. I wouldn't have a problem unloading both clips, but it would have to be life or death. Otherwise I would have to breath deep and get over being annoyed by an idiot cutting me off.

[Inthegrass]

Originally Posted by gkkling

Ghandi on one shoulder, BodyHard on the other.

That is too fricken hillarious. Thanks for the laugh.

I almost had my coke I was drinking come out my nose on reading that!! lmao!
Man that was funny!!!

[Joog]

Originally Posted by John Prophet

lol


A man who exhibits great self control, fo rinstance in the gym....he doesnt draw attention to himself etc, just goes about his business quietly...as far as drawing fem attention he may as well forget it, lol.

Meanwhile the blowhard, weight dropper/grunter never fails to have this or that woman looking his way.

Yes, doesn't that p*ss you off!!!
A similar "blowhard" situation...
There is a bloke at my workplace that has a new "story" almost every day about how he "put someone in their place" or threatened them etc etc blah blah. Some of my co-workers sit around and listen and comment about how "outta control" this bloke is and are a bit wary of him. He lives in this delusional world that has him as some sort of badass hero
I, on the other hand, have known of this fellow for a couple of years and know he is full of sh*t!

It's funny how another person at work, who I know IS a heavy critter, has never come to work with such stories and so, no-one gives him a second thought as someone to be wary of.