ATG Squats hurt knees : Yay or Nay?

[SexyChic]

Originally Posted by dvsness

My squat is one of my weakest lifts since I have spinal issues with weight compression from above, but ATG should not mess up your knees. The lower you go, the more strain you take off the knees and put on the hams and glutes. If anything, stopping at parallel will do more harm.

Ouch sounds painful! But I'm sure your "weakest" beats my best anyday You look great!

[SexyChic]

Originally Posted by Sammy_Koelle

what the hell...the last article i read said that ATG was better because it uses more muscles which takes stress off the knees or something like that, i'll try to find it.

Ya that article was saying that squats hurting knees is a myth.

[SexyChic]

Originally Posted by nervesgone

Always ATG -

2 excerpts from a Cosgrove Article;

"Ask any orthopedic surgeon or physical therapist at what degree of knee-bend one performs the "drawer test?" It's at 90 degrees. In this position, the knee joint is most unstable. If you're trying to assess the integrity of the ligaments, you want minimal interference from other structures.

Bend the knee to full flexion and check how much the tibia moves on the femur anteriorly or posteriorly. It's very little. However, do the same test at 90 degrees of flexion and you'll get considerably more movement.

You can imagine how much force is on the knee ligaments if the athlete descends with a weight and then at the most unstable point (90 degrees), reverses momentum and accelerates in the opposite direction. Couple this with the fact that nearly everyone is capable of squatting more weight to parallel than to the full squat position, and you set your body up for a problem."

" Squatting to parallel with legs bent at 90 degrees not only makes the exercise less effective, but increases the risk of injury. By not squatting through a full range of motion, you can't maintain proper lumbosacral body mechanics."

AND FOR ALL YOU LADIES!

"As far as studies go, Salem and Powers (2001) looked at patellofemoral joint kinetics in female collegiate athletes at three different depths of knee flexion ? 70 degrees (above parallel), 90 degrees (at parallel), and 110 degrees (below parallel).

The researchers found that "...peak knee extensor moment, patellofemoral joint reaction force and patellofemoral joint stress did not vary significantly between the three squatting trials..." There was no support for the idea that squatting below parallel increased stress on the patellofemoral joint."

Thank you

[Crazymix]

hey sexy

[SexyChic]

herro about to make myself some breakfast!

[MJN21]

Originally Posted by nervesgone

Always ATG -

2 excerpts from a Cosgrove Article;

"Ask any orthopedic surgeon or physical therapist at what degree of knee-bend one performs the "drawer test?" It's at 90 degrees. In this position, the knee joint is most unstable. If you're trying to assess the integrity of the ligaments, you want minimal interference from other structures.

Bend the knee to full flexion and check how much the tibia moves on the femur anteriorly or posteriorly. It's very little. However, do the same test at 90 degrees of flexion and you'll get considerably more movement.

You can imagine how much force is on the knee ligaments if the athlete descends with a weight and then at the most unstable point (90 degrees), reverses momentum and accelerates in the opposite direction. Couple this with the fact that nearly everyone is capable of squatting more weight to parallel than to the full squat position, and you set your body up for a problem."

" Squatting to parallel with legs bent at 90 degrees not only makes the exercise less effective, but increases the risk of injury. By not squatting through a full range of motion, you can't maintain proper lumbosacral body mechanics."

AND FOR ALL YOU LADIES!

"As far as studies go, Salem and Powers (2001) looked at patellofemoral joint kinetics in female collegiate athletes at three different depths of knee flexion ? 70 degrees (above parallel), 90 degrees (at parallel), and 110 degrees (below parallel).

The researchers found that "...peak knee extensor moment, patellofemoral joint reaction force and patellofemoral joint stress did not vary significantly between the three squatting trials..." There was no support for the idea that squatting below parallel increased stress on the patellofemoral joint."

very good article as this is always a hot topic and i dont know if we can ever have a direct answer due to so many different factors with this exercise..

i know i always see ppl putting more weight on the bar then they can handle and their form suffers and wonder why they hurt or cant squat the next week. form, weight, past injuries all factor in when squating. i have done both ways and havent have knee problems (knock on wood) either way so far... i do wrap my knees and belt it up anytime i am going heavy which seems to help and in my experiences i have felt more "pressure" on my knees when leg pressing then squating but that could just be me...

[Mrs_Muscles]

I've had numerous injuries to both knees, but do not have any pain or problems with A2G squats. I have cartledge build up in the right knee and the knee cap tracks improperly, still no issues with A2G squats. It does sound terrible with my knee cracking and groaning (loud music fixes this problem) but it sounds the same when I go up stairs. I always do my squats A2G

[franniecd]

I have knee problems and doing anytype squats doesn't hurt at all, well at least not my knees lol. The only time I have knee pain is when I over do it with cardio.

[SexyChic]

Thank you for sharing guys and ladies

[BrotherWolf]

Originally Posted by nervesgone

Always ATG -

2 excerpts from a Cosgrove Article;

"Ask any orthopedic surgeon or physical therapist at what degree of knee-bend one performs the "drawer test?" It's at 90 degrees. In this position, the knee joint is most unstable. If you're trying to assess the integrity of the ligaments, you want minimal interference from other structures.

Bend the knee to full flexion and check how much the tibia moves on the femur anteriorly or posteriorly. It's very little. However, do the same test at 90 degrees of flexion and you'll get considerably more movement.

You can imagine how much force is on the knee ligaments if the athlete descends with a weight and then at the most unstable point (90 degrees), reverses momentum and accelerates in the opposite direction. Couple this with the fact that nearly everyone is capable of squatting more weight to parallel than to the full squat position, and you set your body up for a problem."

" Squatting to parallel with legs bent at 90 degrees not only makes the exercise less effective, but increases the risk of injury. By not squatting through a full range of motion, you can't maintain proper lumbosacral body mechanics."

AND FOR ALL YOU LADIES!

"As far as studies go, Salem and Powers (2001) looked at patellofemoral joint kinetics in female collegiate athletes at three different depths of knee flexion ? 70 degrees (above parallel), 90 degrees (at parallel), and 110 degrees (below parallel).

The researchers found that "...peak knee extensor moment, patellofemoral joint reaction force and patellofemoral joint stress did not vary significantly between the three squatting trials..." There was no support for the idea that squatting below parallel increased stress on the patellofemoral joint."

Quoting for a bump..
hoping that more people will come to their senses and squat like they are supposed to after reading this..

[Ebethron]

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[SexyChic]

Originally Posted by Ebethron

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[Ebethron]

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[SexyChic]

Awesome article