How good are flyes really?

[dsharp9000]

I do bench supersetted with db flys; i really dont know how good flys are for adding mass; but do think they do work the muscle differently and i like the stretch they give so think they have there place.

I must say i am unsure if one could just do flys without a bench and still gain mass; but think they do make a nice supplementary exercise to the bench.

[rocketman44]

They can be an OK exercise, but not a substitute for bench pressing with DBs and/or barbell. As mentioned, they augment and supplement the press.

Do you absolutely have to do them? No. So if that pain persists even after you correct your form, I wouldn't worry too much about dropping them from your routine.

[PowerHawk]

What angle should I keep at the elbow?

[The_Real_Hulk]

lmao at bigsby's pics. 75 pound flys, big deal. But really, flys aren't that hard. I have always gone all the way down and brought them together. It was the way I was taught, but the way you guys make it sound, it would be easier. It's like half the motion.

[Majestyc]

Originally Posted by DJAuto

I prefer the pec dec over flys.

x2.

I either do that or machine flys.

Pec-Deck:



Machine Flys:

[Bigsby]

True, bc I'm sure everyone here is an environmentalist and actually likes hugging trees...

[Bigsby]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hulk

lmao at bigsby's pics. 75 pound flys, big deal. But really, flys aren't that hard. I have always gone all the way down and brought them together. It was the way I was taught, but the way you guys make it sound, it would be easier. It's like half the motion.

lmao? Why don't you have pics up? too embarrassed..?

[Footballmuscle5]

what angle should your elbows be at?

[fenixataris182]

I like flys as a finisher on chest day, it really gets the pump going.

[ShutUpAndSquat]

Originally Posted by Bigsby

LOL on that fat chick comment; but it's true! I agree 100% with the form you have supplied. Also, when I'm in the gym I see guys doing flyes with light weight like 25 lbs or less. What the crap? Don't take this approach! Just because the DB fly is a sculpting move, doesn't mean you can't go heavy. When I do DB fly's I start off with 50's doing between 12-15 reps then move up to 60's and finish with 75's! If you're able to use maximum poundage while mastering the proper technique, you'll have championship quality pecs!

Finally, someone who's speaking the damn truth. I always wondered why average looking guys used 20s like pussies when I'm able to use 50s properly and I'm not even that big. Go heavy...as long as you're using proper form and you aren't leading yourself to injury, it's all good

[HolyMoly]

Originally Posted by Attacus

I used to HATE flyes and did everything to avoid them. Until, I saw some guy doing them on the floor on a mat, which limited the rom of his shoulders and looked really much safer. Ever since I've really pushed flyes, great exercise. So to answer your question, if you get past the initial hump, flyes are really good

I have a really bad shoulder, when doing fly's on a bench I only felt it on my good (left) side, only got a pump there.Then I started doing them lyng on the floor, this lets me work around my bad shoulder!

So I agree with this guy..

[unity]

Originally Posted by ShutUpAndSquat

Finally, someone who's speaking the damn truth. I always wondered why average looking guys used 20s like pussies when I'm able to use 50s properly and I'm not even that big. Go heavy...as long as you're using proper form and you aren't leading yourself to injury, it's all good

maybe the other guys pecs are fatigued from everything else done. or maybe that guy simply isnt as strong as you. or maybe he just wants to do some flyes for warmup. since you arent in his shoes, maybe you should stay out of his jock.

[Bigsby]

I'm willing to bet that if a survey were taken, a high percentage of bodybuilders would agree that 20 lbs for DB fly's is considered a light weight. No one is saying that anyone is weak if they use such weights, it's just not going "heavy" and that's what we're trying to emphasize: the importance of going heavy on DB fly's with proper form. No one is sharing their jock strap with anyone else.

[JOHN GARGANI]

Originally Posted by The_Real_Hulk

lmao at bigsby's pics. 75 pound flys, big deal. But really, flys aren't that hard. I have always gone all the way down and brought them together. It was the way I was taught, but the way you guys make it sound, it would be easier. It's like half the motion.

"Real" HulK: on BB.com it is considered the highest form of inconsideration to snap on another persons pictures or avatars: you CAN give constructive criticism, but " lmao" will not win you many fans on here.


especially, since, as pointed out by Bigsby: you have NO pictures of your own.


and in addition to that, there is NOTHING wrong with Bigsby's pictures....

[Avila]

I didnt have time to read all of the post in this thread except for the first one...

are you talking about Cable flyes? or DB flyes? I used to hate doing both because I would feel like i was straining my shoulders and not really working my chest to the fullest (considering it should be a finishing/isolating move)

I love doing cable flyes now... I use the A-trainer Grip
(1) take the handles out and just grab onto the black balls
(2) try and have the medial side of your arms facing each other at the end of the movement... shoulder grip should be plenty, you wont touch your hands what's so over if your chest is up.
(3) Your palms should be up... the pinkies from each hand should face each other.
(4) As you move your arms away from each other, and bring them back to starting position... you will notice that the shoulders are taken out of the equation and are protected in this position by the prevention from over stretching.

I don't like doing them on the floor.
search on this site for A-tainer flyes and try to do them standing up, like your regular flyes.... Although, the difference is just grip and positioning of the humerus, i give A-trainer credit in my journals.

you may need to use less weight due to the lack of assistance from your shoulders.

try and see how that works.

[unity]

Originally Posted by Bigsby

I'm willing to bet that if a survey were taken, a high percentage of bodybuilders would agree that 20 lbs for DB fly's is considered a light weight. No one is saying that anyone is weak if they use such weights, it's just not going "heavy" and that's what we're trying to emphasize: the importance of going heavy on DB fly's with proper form. No one is sharing their jock strap with anyone else.

haha... jock strap lover!

i get the point but to the "average looking guy" that 20lbs might be heavy. plus i was giving him some ****e! i agree with doing a weight that is heavy for you. i also think cables > db flyes

i have to admit that i laughed at your pics too. not that your physique is bad, but the pics were just kind of comical to me in a cheezy kind of way. no offense though. you can laugh at mine when i get them posted finally

[FasterStronger]

Originally Posted by Tyrbolift

Then none of the conservatives would want to do it.

i nearly lost my sip of water reading that haha.

"you must spread some reputation around before giving to Tyrbolift again"

[I dont work at Ballys]

Originally Posted by Avila

I didnt have time to read all of the post in this thread except for the first one...

are you talking about Cable flyes? or DB flyes? I used to hate doing both because I would feel like i was straining my shoulders and not really working my chest to the fullest (considering it should be a finishing/isolating move)

I love doing cable flyes now... I use the A-trainer Grip
(1) take the handles out and just grab onto the black balls
(2) try and have the medial side of your arms facing each other at the end of the movement... shoulder grip should be plenty, you wont touch your hands what's so over if your chest is up.
(3) Your palms should be up... the pinkies from each hand should face each other.
(4) As you move your arms away from each other, and bring them back to starting position... you will notice that the shoulders are taken out of the equation and are protected in this position by the prevention from over stretching.

I don't like doing them on the floor.
search on this site for A-tainer flyes and try to do them standing up, like your regular flyes.... Although, the difference is just grip and positioning of the humerus, i give A-trainer credit in my journals.

you may need to use less weight due to the lack of assistance from your shoulders.

try and see how that works.

i love how everyone on this site makes "A-trainer flys" into some kind of Holy Shrine of an exercise....ooooooooh wow....teach me.......the ways.....of Master A.... its a ****ing chest fly with your palms up.

[MrSinister]

db flyes, fukn hate em pec dec doesnt feel much better...
only form i like doing is cable, but it has to be on a wide cable stations ie the ones that are around 10 feet wide.. its the only way i can get the right angle.

[Zensuji]

I prefer ring flyes, over db.

[Avila]

Originally Posted by I dont work at Ballys

i love how everyone on this site makes "A-trainer flys" into some kind of Holy Shrine of an exercise....ooooooooh wow....teach me.......the ways.....of Master A.... its a ****ing chest fly with your palms up.

thats why I mention at the end that I give him credit, regardless.

anatomically speaking... your humerus is in different position when you change grip with palms up. There is an external rotation of the cuff.

your rear delts are behind you and your front delts are in front of you during a normal cable flye. When you change position... your lateral delts are behind you and your armpit/medial side of your humerus is in front of you.

don't hate on an alternative for those who dont feel comfortable doing normal cable flyes and wish to still have them on their routine without complications... in my personal bias, I love them... I cant wait to get through the end of my routine.

It's not like I am preaching laying on the ground and doing the real "A-trainer" Flyes...

ps... grow up.

[I dont work at Ballys]

Originally Posted by Avila

thats why I mention at the end that I give him credit, regardless.

anatomically speaking... your humerus is in different position when you change grip with palms up. There is an external rotation of the cuff.

your rear delts are behind you and your front delts are in front of you during a normal cable flye. When you change position... your lateral delts are behind you and your armpit/medial side of your humerus is in front of you.

don't hate on an alternative for those who dont feel comfortable doing normal cable flyes and wish to still have them on their routine without complications... in my personal bias, I love them... I cant wait to get through the end of my routine.

It's not like I am preaching laying on the ground and doing the real "A-trainer" Flyes...

ps... grow up.

i dont exactly need a BB.com anatomy lesson, but thanks!

[Bigsby]

Originally Posted by I dont work at Ballys

i love how everyone on this site makes "A-trainer flys" into some kind of Holy Shrine of an exercise....ooooooooh wow....teach me.......the ways.....of Master A.... its a ****ing chest fly with your palms up.

LOL!!!!!