Michael Lockett: Self proclaimed natural?

[Guardian]

Originally Posted by T--

I got sick of reading all the posts but I just have one question that can clear this up...

Is it humanly possible to gain 25 lbs of lean muscle mass in ONE year?

I honestly don't think someone with the FREAKIEST genetics in the world could achieve this.

Generally if natural and past newbie gains its believed that a person can gain one pound of lean mass a month which equates to 12 pounds a year. And 1 pound a month is assuming your diet is spot on, training is ideal for your genetics, etc


But obviously some genetic characteristics could change this. If a person has a high amount of fast twitch fibers, low cortisol levels, high test levels, lower estrogen levels, etc this number may go up, how much up I dont know.

[superfunk]

Originally Posted by Starlynx

It's not his location, it's height. Why is it nobody says 'hey that guy is unusually tall, he must have take tonnes of HGH'

Because HGH doesn't make you taller if you're out of puberty. Once the growth plates fuse that's it.

[Clean]

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

Are you serious?

The tallest man on record is Robert Wadlow, an Illinois man who died at 2.71m (8ft 11in) in 1940 at the age of 22. The record may not stand for much longer, however. This week, Leonid Stadnyk, a 33-year-old living in a remote village in Ukraine, hit the news as the world's tallest living man. At 2.54m (8ft 4in), he is just 17cm short of Wadlow's record. In the past two years, he has grown 30cm.

Like Wadlow, Stadnyk owes his extraordinary height to a tumour on his pituitary gland. The tumour churns out growth hormone but it's a secondary effect that leads to the runaway growth that doctors call acromegalic gigantism.

Normally, the growth of our bones is limited by our sex hormones. A good burst of sex hormones at the right time tells the ends of our bones to stop growing. In acromegalic gigantism, as the tumour grows, it destroys cells in the pituitary gland that stimulate the release of sex hormones. The bones, therefore, never get the signal to stop growing.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...encequestions3

The comparison that the other poster made no sense at all. HGH has nothing to do with this discussion unless of course Lockett is on it.

[Duckenheimer]

Originally Posted by Clean

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...encequestions3

The comparison that the other poster made no sense at all. HGH has nothing to do with this discussion unless of course Lockett is on it.

Oh dear God.

[Clean]

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

Oh dear God.

Laments terms=

Originally Posted by Clean

What? That makes no sense. We are comparing height now to muscle? Being genetically more muscled is different from height. I believe that the whole height thing is triggered by an unusual pituitary gland(at least it is for some of the giants out there).

=Being tall has nothing to do with muscle growth and if Lockett were to have more GH produced naturally, then we would of seen another bodybuilder attain that kind of physique naturally by now.

[Duckenheimer]

Originally Posted by Clean

=Being tall has nothing to do with muscle growth and if Lockett were to have more GH produced naturally, then we would of seen another bodybuilder attain that kind of physique naturally by now.

The point made: The tallest guy in the world is a one of a kind genetic freak, hence no other person is as tall.

Suggestion: Michael Lockett might also be a one of a kind genetic freak, hence no other natural bodybuilder is as developed.

One of a kind genetic freaks, freakier than everyone else, exist.

Personally I don't believe he's natural but that was the point made by the other poster. Very simple.

[Clean]

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

The point made: The tallest guy in the world is a one of a kind genetic freak, hence no other person is as tall.

Point I made is, there are other "tallest guys in the world" at one point or another. The guy at Seaworld is not the only one.

Suggestion: Michael Lockett might also be a one of a kind genetic freak, hence no other natural bodybuilder is as developed.

One of a kind genetic freaks, freakier than everyone else, exist.

Point is that we should of seen another guy like him who is also a "genetic freak." And even if he is a one of a kind genetic freak, since when does McDonald's and Licorise double as protein and he is able to put on 25pounds of pure muscle on with the use of it?

[Duckenheimer]

Originally Posted by Clean

Point I made is, there are other "tallest guys in the world" at one point or another. The guy at Seaworld is not the only one.

Point is that we should of seen another guy like him who is also a "genetic freak." .

We do. We've seen loads of genetic freaks in natural bodybuilding, like Rob Hope etc, just not quite as freaky as Michael.

If Michael Lockett has the best genes in natural bodybuilding so far, obviously nobody is going to be as developed at him.

How many people in the world have been over 8 feet tall? Very few.

Now, pretend (just for the sake of argument) that Michael Lockett's kind of genes are about as rare as people who've been over 8 feet tall.

How many of them are likely to ever become bodybuilders?

[Clean]

Originally Posted by Duckenheimer

We do. We've seen loads of genetic freaks in natural bodybuilding, like Rob Hope etc, just not quite as freaky as Michael.

If Michael Lockett has the best genes in natural bodybuilding so far, obviously nobody is going to be as developed at him.

How many people in the world have been over 8 feet tall? Very few.

Now, pretend (just for the sake of argument) that Michael Lockett's kind of genes are about as rare as people who've been over 8 feet tall.

How many of them are likely to ever become bodybuilders?

I can understand what you mean by there not being a lot of bodybuilders who would actually have the gene, but this guy screwed himself by giving out his diet. Now believing anything he says would have to be pretty naive. He is playing games with us.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

lol he didnt gain 25lbs of muscle in a year off Mickey D's and licorice natural or not.

[jocktheglide]

Originally Posted by Big Slim DaDDy

lol he didnt gain 25lbs of muscle in a year off Mickey D's and licorice natural or not.

good point I remember even claiming he ate once/day and it was mcdonalds and his favorite snake, "liorice"!!!!! no way he gained 25lbs and claimed natural.

[Curtiz]

thanks for those that understood my post, my point is.......

You can't rule out anything, sometimes people are just better than you and you can't explain it.

What about that baby with 6 arms, just because you can't contemplate it doesn't mean it can't happen.

Its ignorant to think he may not be a genetic wonder, its ignorant to think he is 100% natural.

Keep an open mind.

[Piteng]

if he's really natural and never touched any drugs or GH before.. this guy is amazing and unbelieveable!!!

[wolfsburg2]

it's not true, debating it is silly. the guy hits the sauce.

saying it doesn't make it true and anyone who believes he's natural is truly naive.

[Jrich54338]

Hes a freak

[jocktheglide]

Originally Posted by Jrich54338

Hes a freak

LIke you......

[Starlynx]

Originally Posted by superfunk

Because HGH doesn't make you taller if you're out of puberty. Once the growth plates fuse that's it.

Im aware of that; but thanks for reminding me anyway.

I was trying to make a point about the culture of sceptism in (natural) bodybuilding... as I stated in a previous post- on the basis of the evidence we have (the polygraph tests and urine tests) the man is natural. Im not advocating Michael Lockett, rather, im advocating facts. The facts are he has passed all the tests that would otherwise render him a user of substances banned by the natural bodybuilding community.

Look, no-one has even presented stone-cold evidence that the man is a fraud. If there was a video tape of him injecting some ominous looking substances in his body, or a video tape of him in mcdonalds saying 'ey partner, i eat this shizzle and everyone thinks im natural but really im on insulin': if there was a video tape or something then i would accept he isnt natural... but right now on the basis of what we have he is natural.

Let's not deviate from the facts and bury ourselves in speculation 'oh yeah u can pass those tests easy' For every remarkable event or outcome there are a number of possibilites that may refute the aforementioned event or outcome.

It is a credible possibility that tupac is still alive, it is a credible possibiity that 911 was planned by the US government, it is a credible possiblity that AIDS is a synthetic virus. However, these are all JUST POSSIBILITIES until facts prove otherwise.

Excuse the bathos, but Michael Lockett has not taken any banned substances until it has been proven so.

Nobody should think im a fan of michael lockett, or that i am a desperate exponent of natural bodybuilding and i want to prove that Lockett is natural to perpetuate my own dream: both of those premises are false. The truth is im fed up of always hearing 'is this guy natural or not' when the sport/ discipline of bodybuilding has much more to offer.

[Dbol26]

in the november issue of MD, there is a few pages on lockhart, He has been training unaturally for 1year now and is looking good. I will c if i can post some pics soon

[boring06]

Everyone has different genetics, and there is no way to tell how far someone can go, until they reach their ultimate potential.

One of the first Heavyweight boxing champions was Jim Jeffries. He weighed 225 pounds. They measured his speed, and jumping abilities, and it turned out that he could run faster, jump higher and further that the athletes who won those events in that years Olympics (this was in the very early 1900's). So he was such a gifted athlete that he could outperform these Olympic winners and he never even trained for these events, as well as being much bigger.

Bodies are the same way. No one disputes the fact that a gifted person can be very fast without dope. People can run 4.4 40's without any enhancement. Why is bodybuilding so different. Do none of you believe that it is possible for someone to have a really great genetic potential to gain muscle faster than others?

I believe Lockett is natural. I believe some of the great bodybuilders of the past were natural (Reeves, Park, Eifermann, etc.) I myself have gained as much as 30 pounds over a three month period (obviously fat came along, but I cut that away and saw a much bigger, better physique). It is possible to get big naturally, but genetics play an even bigger role when you go at it naturally.

[Pump Freak 86]

Originally Posted by The_Real_XN

Re.

Tarded.


Bulls are believed to get angry when they see red. Holland has a lot of red tulips. So bulls in holland are probably all pissed off.

Repetitive loud noises can cause hearing loss. Elephants have one of the loudest calls of all animals. Therefore, elephants are prone to going deaf.

Dude -- GENETIC TRAITS DO NOT FOLLOW STATISTICAL PATTERNS. You can not take a perceived statistic (anecdotal, by the way) and conclude genetic absolutes.

duh.

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man, i just spat whey all over my screen. That is hilarious.

[Clean]

Originally Posted by Curtiz

thanks for those that understood my post, my point is.......

You can't rule out anything, sometimes people are just better than you and you can't explain it.

What about that baby with 6 arms, just because you can't contemplate it doesn't mean it can't happen.

Its ignorant to think he may not be a genetic wonder, its ignorant to think he is 100% natural.

Keep an open mind.

No, it is ignorant to believe that you can gain 25 pounds of muscle in 1 year and that 25 pounds being "muscle" is the key word there.

Sure, he maybe a freak or extremely gifted, but the fact is, you do not gain weight/muscle from not eating. The only way you will put on weight or height is if your pituitary gland excretes more growth hormone then it normal(Pituitary growth hormone excess is the single condition that accounts for nearly all cases of pathologic extreme height) and that is something YOU CANNOT CONTROL.

Remember here, muscle growth IS SOMETHING YOU!!!!!!! CONTROL!!!!!

If he really did have the whole mysogene(whatever it is called) gene, then he would of been born with a lot of muscle and I am sure everyone would know about it. But the thing is, he was not and he has to gain muscle on his own and you simply cannot gain that much muscle without a substantial amount of fat and then cut out the fact in 1 years time.


Running faster, jumping higher, swimming fast=fast twitch muscle fibers I believe

Muscle=has to be gained through diet(DIET is the key word here, meaning you have to EAT ALOT) and through weight training. I don't care if you have the best genes on the planet, fact is, that muscle is not going to come out of thin air like running fast, jumping higher, etc. will.

[Curtiz]

Originally Posted by Clean

No, it is ignorant to believe that you can gain 25 pounds of muscle in 1 year and that 25 pounds being "muscle" is the key word there.

Sure, he maybe a freak or extremely gifted, but the fact is, you do not gain weight/muscle from not eating. The only way you will put on weight or height is if your pituitary gland excretes more growth hormone then it normal(Pituitary growth hormone excess is the single condition that accounts for nearly all cases of pathologic extreme height) and that is something YOU CANNOT CONTROL.

Remember here, muscle growth IS SOMETHING YOU!!!!!!! CONTROL!!!!!

If he really did have the whole mysogene(whatever it is called) gene, then he would of been born with a lot of muscle and I am sure everyone would know about it. But the thing is, he was not and he has to gain muscle on his own and you simply cannot gain that much muscle without a substantial amount of fat and then cut out the fact in 1 years time.


Running faster, jumping higher, swimming fast=fast twitch muscle fibers I believe

Muscle=has to be gained through diet(DIET is the key word here, meaning you have to EAT ALOT) and through weight training. I don't care if you have the best genes on the planet, fact is, that muscle is not going to come out of thin air like running fast, jumping higher, etc. will.

Waste of a post, you just repeated what i said. You give meat heads a bad name.

[jocktheglide]

Originally Posted by Curtiz

Waste of a post, you just repeated what i said. You give meat heads a bad name.

yeah, but its bbing.com here you have to repeat things over and over and over and over.....just how it rolls here...

[RevoTrainer]

I have not really read all this ****, but I have lifted with Big Mike, and even though he says he is natural, you can tell there is something wrong there. He is in his mid twentys and his face looks 40+.....

I imagine you have heard of HGH before......

think about it...

Look at the massive cartiledge areas he has, such as his massive mandible.

he looks sweet and hes strong as ****, BUT HE IS NO NATURAL FREAK.

sorry mike

[FaceThePain]

I believe he's natural. Some people have the genetics, and just because you don't see these naturally huge guys compete, doesn't mean they dont exsist.
Case in point, anyone ever seen Tookie Williams jail pic? He was HUGGGGEEE, and completely steroid free..so dont ****in tell me people cant get big w/o roids, only retards believe that ****.

[FendersRule]

His neck is really gross.

Amazing for a natural build.

[fantell]

natural bodybuilding is an oxymoron.It is so easy to pass a test and so many are on .I choose to believe natural bodybuilding is for the guys that take gear but cant get big.Sorry for the guys that are doing the right thing.I believe your better off competing in the non tested shows at least the people are honest about what they take.

[RevoTrainer]

big is an understatement.....until you see the guy in person, you can not call him natural or not natural. People can get big and they can get STEROID BIG!!!!!

Everyone know the difference, and if you dont....you need to do a little research and check out tested competitions and then look at the Olympia competition.

[5iveboy]

I meet Michael Lockett at his photo shoot at my gym, steriods or not he is a genetic freak, I got to work out with him for 2 days, he works out hard, and anyway there is at least 1 million people on steriods in gyms across america that dont look 10% of what he looks like. He has great genetic, and amazin muscle maturaty at 24yrs old, future R. Coleman.

[Code_B]

I can't believe this thread is still going