Question for Christians...do you feel that it is just for nonbelievers to go to hell?

[timbo81]

Originally Posted by smj5351

No one on Earth can possibly deserve eternal punishment.

yes, we all do.


Hebrews 10:29
How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?



everytime you mock God or Jesus or his sacrifice and what he's done that's exactly what you do, and I see it every time on this forum from so many users. Slandering what is Holy is worthy of eternal punishment


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[papamonkey]

[QUOTE=smj5351;142241831]No.

Just because god is eternal, doesn't mean the sins committed against him are infinite. That makes no sense.

I agree, God is Eternal which makes his love eternal, we are not eternal, thus our sin is finite.

[jlick]

Originally Posted by papamonkey

Brother, do not underestimate your Lord, nothing he has done is in vain, He suffered then what he suffers now, but not in vain, precisely out of his love for those who seem to hate him, then and now(eternally). We accomplish fairly little in our activism compared to what can be accomplished at rest in prayer. Remember Martha and Mary, let us reside as the latter, resting in prayer at the feet of our Lord. Let them laugh, as they did then,they do now, Yet his love is ETERNAL & without compromise.

another great post papa. I would rep you again if I could.

Matthew 5:44 - "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you"

Please allow me to clarify what I meant- I think it's wrong that even though Jesus Christ suffered on the cross, bore all our sins upon himself so that us, the sinful, could join our Father in his kingdom, that people still have the audacity to claim that our LORD is evil.

As Jesus says to do, I pray for my enemies.

[bmy-]

Originally Posted by papamonkey

Sorry I flunked out of highschool, not to good at math , please condescend to my level and explain

Haha, i'm bad at math too. Using 'equations' is simply laziness and an ego boost for myself.

Good works.. doing good to your fellow man etc. It will get you further than prayer and worship ever will. Applying what you learn in studies/church to the real world.

God doesn't want you to just pray, relax, and maybe sing a song. He wants you out there busting your ass to help people.

Prayer without works is garbage. It serves only to 'strengthen your relationship'. Helping other people can do more for all parties involved.

[Germanic]

Originally Posted by timbo81

yes, we all do.


Hebrews 10:29
How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?



everytime you mock God or Jesus or his sacrifice and what he's done that's exactly what you do, and I see it every time on this forum from so many users. Slandering what is Holy is worthy of eternal punishment


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No, we all don't. No one can possibly deserve eternal torture. If your god really tortures people for eternity, then he isn't worthy of praise, and I spit on his name.

[bmy-]

Originally Posted by smj5351

No, we all don't. No one can possibly deserve eternal torture. If your god really tortures people for eternity, then he isn't worthy of praise, and I spit on his name.

smj, how would you feel if.. you were tortured for a finite amount of time? Say.. sufficiently 'cleansed'.

Would that be agreeable? Even if it was an undisclosed amount of time -- "Until I say so." sort of deal.

[rampagefc77]

Originally Posted by smj5351

No, we all don't. No one can possibly deserve eternal torture. If your god really tortures people for eternity, then he isn't worthy of praise, and I spit on his name.

Im not under the impression that god lets all of the believers into heavan, and to the non believers HE PERSONALLY tortures them eternily.

[Germanic]

Originally Posted by bmy-

smj, how would you feel if.. you were tortured for a finite amount of time? Say.. sufficiently 'cleansed'.

Would that be agreeable? Even if it was an undisclosed amount of time -- "Until I say so." sort of deal.

Sure, that seems fair. Kind of like how our justice system supposedly works. Your punishment is based on the crime.

Originally Posted by rampagefc77

Im not under the impression that god lets all of the believers into heavan, and to the non believers HE PERSONALLY tortures them eternily.

Well if god created you, created hell, and created the rules, and then sends you there, then I'm pretty sure he's the one behind it.

[papamonkey]

Originally Posted by bmy-

Haha, i'm bad at math too. Using 'equations' is simply laziness and an ego boost for myself.

Good works.. doing good to your fellow man etc. It will get you further than prayer and worship ever will. Applying what you learn in studies/church to the real world.

God doesn't want you to just pray, relax, and maybe sing a song. He wants you out there busting your ass to help people.

Prayer without works is garbage. It serves only to 'strengthen your relationship'. Helping other people can do more for all parties involved.

Oh, "Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words"...I think patience and kindness especially towards those who mock us IS an 'ass-bust', Christ did many good works but none accomplished what only dying on the cross while praying for us did. He died to his need to be justified, and his Father accomplished in his death the Ressurection. Having strength to trust in God's works is far from relaxing.
Don't get me wrong all our efforts are noble, but it becomes too easy to loose ourselves to our own pride, in so doing neglecting the command to love our enemy, for "it is like heaping hot coals upon their heads."

[bmy-]

Originally Posted by papamonkey

Oh, "Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words"...I think patience and kindness especially towards those who mock us IS an 'ass-bust', Christ did many good works but none accomplished what only dying on the cross while praying for us did. He died to his need to be justified, and his Father accomplished in his death the Ressurection. Having strength to trust in God's works is far from relaxing.
Don't get me wrong all our efforts are noble, but it becomes too easy to loose ourselves to our own pride, in so doing neglecting the command to love our enemy, for "it is like heaping hot coals upon their heads."

Preach the gospel and when necessary -- use words. Pretty much sums up my beliefs. Good quote. Fair points also.

We should all do what works best for us. For me it's action.

[papamonkey]

Originally Posted by bmy-

Preach the gospel and when necessary -- use words. Pretty much sums up my beliefs. Good quote. Fair points also.

We should all do what works best for us. For me it's action.

!Fight On Bro!

[p0dunk]

Revelations
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

20:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Do I personally believe an atheist should spend eternity in hell? That's really not for me to judge, that's Gods place. I don't know each athiest personally to say but I will say this, we all sin so why would I even begin to think someone should be thrown in eternal hell when I've had many sins of my own which I have asked forgiveness for. There's good and bad in everyone so personally, no I don't believe an athiest should burn in hell. I try to have respect for everyone know matter what they believe and could never wish that on anyone. Rev 20:13... and they were judged every man according to their works.

And before anyone corrects me on my grammar, yes I know it's horrible. It's past time for bed so judge not, lest you be judged lol.

[JAGERBOY]

Originally Posted by jlick

I did answer though. I said it was not my place to say if the punishment is just or not. I said I trust God's judgment to do what is right.

If the whole point of this thread was to get Christians to admit God was evil, I am sorry that you have failed miserably.

Then once again, you have no intellectual integrity if you can't answer the question on your own. Don't bother replying to any of my other threads in the future, take care.

[JAGERBOY]

Originally Posted by rampagefc77

What?! Could it be? Another jagerboy thread where he is whining in the 3rd page because "nobody has answered his question"????

People should realize by now this is how all threads go that are started by jagerboy...

I guess its just a coincidence that when posed with a tough question about the nature of their god or their religion Christians never seem to offer up a true answer.

[timbo81]

Originally Posted by JAGERBOY

I guess its just a coincidence that when posed with a tough question about the nature of their god or their religion Christians never seem to offer up a true answer.

what?

read some posts, plenty of people have answered with their own view and with biblical quotes.


If you don't like the answers given then.......?

[JAGERBOY]

Originally Posted by timbo81

what?

read some posts, plenty of people have answered with their own view and with biblical quotes.


If you don't like the answers given then.......?

Saying "I trust gods judgment" is not a real answer. Its a cop out. Everyone else just something along the lines of "i don't believe hell is eternal suffering yada yada yada". So if thats not what you believe, then this question obviously isn't for you.

[rampagefc77]

Originally Posted by JAGERBOY

I guess its just a coincidence that when posed with a tough question about the nature of their god or their religion Christians never seem to offer up a true answer.

original question asked by you-- "DO YOU FEEL....."

sounds like an opinion question to me. But you are bashing anyone that offers and opinion and telling them never to post in your threads again... Honestly dude make up your mind!

[C Project]

Originally Posted by timbo81

yes, we all do.


Hebrews 10:29
How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?



everytime you mock God or Jesus or his sacrifice and what he's done that's exactly what you do, and I see it every time on this forum from so many users. Slandering what is Holy is worthy of eternal punishment


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That's not really fair:

1. We've never met either of them. Christians are taught to love and trust thy neighbor... However, thy neighbor steps out to sayith helloith. If we are to go by faith, and faith alone, then thy test every once in a while is to lose faith and then come back to it. BASICALLY the book of Job. That was some evil God did, just to have Satan prove a point. Hmm... Not too fair for someone who devoted his entire life to trusting thine God.

2. And speaking of the book of Job. Did God and Satan make a bet? I mean, really. What was that? Insulting... That's what it was. And it showed that God shares human qualities... or human's share Godlike qualities, however you want to say it.

3. And slandering what is holy, I assume you mean taking the Lord's name in vain? "GOD D*MN IT!" Isn't taking the Lord's name in vain is it? I thought it was saying the Yah*ee name??? I must have misread the Bible I used, perhaps I could read the version you had?

Look man, all joking and slandering aside, it just isn't fair if I were to be pressured into believe and trusting in something where no evidence shows why I should. And then, when in doubt or question I am immediately tossed into the fire? Sorry bro, not for me.

[hokiebird]

[QUOTE=papamonkey;142243621]

Originally Posted by smj5351

No.

Just because god is eternal, doesn't mean the sins committed against him are infinite. That makes no sense.

I agree, God is Eternal which makes his love eternal, we are not eternal, thus our sin is finite.

Does unbelief and unrepentive sin have eternal consequences?

[hokiebird]

Originally Posted by smj5351

No, we all don't. No one can possibly deserve eternal torture. If your god really tortures people for eternity, then he isn't worthy of praise, and I spit on his name.

Is that a hypothetical statement? lol

[hokiebird]

Originally Posted by bmy-

smj, how would you feel if.. you were tortured for a finite amount of time? Say.. sufficiently 'cleansed'.

Would that be agreeable? Even if it was an undisclosed amount of time -- "Until I say so." sort of deal.

In reality that is not true... just pretend right?

[JAGERBOY]

Originally Posted by rampagefc77

original question asked by you-- "DO YOU FEEL....."

sounds like an opinion question to me. But you are bashing anyone that offers and opinion and telling them never to post in your threads again... Honestly dude make up your mind!

Exactly, and nobody has told me how THEY feel. They are just copping out and saying they trust gods judgement. They aren't answering the actual question.

[Beatitude]

I trust God's judgment.

[JAGERBOY]

Originally Posted by Beatitude

I'm scared to answer truthfully so I will use the cop out of "I trust Gods judgment".

Interesting.

[1veedo]

Originally Posted by Beatitude

I'm scared to answer truthfully so I will use the cop out of "I trust Gods judgment".

You know what they say; God knows best, right?

[nonAtlas]

Originally Posted by Kion

Oh, I know. It just seems to be that most born-again suffer from one of the 7 deadly sins: Pride. Last time I checked, that's among the worst sins to suffer. Their belief is such that they think themselves better then their fellow man, which blinds them to this. This makes them a hypocrite, and makes their belief hollow.

So rather than face the issue substantively, you attack us who bring you the Good News. Fine and dandy, if that is the sum of your power of comprehension. First off you are on notice that it is YOU who is controlled by pride, and you seem to have just called that a sin that brings the person to eternal punishment. Well, if you say so. But also realize that your claim that someone else is "sinning" with "pride" does nothing to deny that the message that we saints deliver is truth...which means you need to be thanking the Savior for not leaving you unaware. But it further means you have no excuse in this regard.

Too bad.

[nonAtlas]

Originally Posted by p0dunk

we all sin so why would I even begin to think someone should be thrown in eternal hell when I've had many sins of my own which I have asked forgiveness for.

I am assuming that you are born again, and I beg your forgiveness if I got your meaning wrong. Anyhow being forgiven is certain for the born-again, because it is your recognition that you were guilty that brought you to the Savior. As such there is no question as to the reality that you are headed to an eternity with Him, as opposed to those who still are sinners and living in enmity toward God. Such people are not forgiven, and as one of the redeemed of the Lord you do Him an insult by claiming that you still are unworthy of His mercy, contrary to the Savior's own words. It is not a "we are all the same" situation, now that you are born again. We have to live for Him and not give in to the temptation to do things the enemy's way, but this is just the reality of life in the human condition. It doesn't say you are "equally damned" with the sinners.

[nonAtlas]

Originally Posted by Enso

Some Christians will say yes, some Christians will say no. Which will you choose to believe?

One thing for certain: Christian Fundamentalist do not speak for all Christians...and their view of Christianity is just their understanding of the Word..not the Word itself.

It depends on what you wish the term "christian fundamentalists" would mean, and I'm sure you have soaked up plenty of distortions and just plain lies from the far-left tv and internet sources that constitute your concept of "information". Anyhow believing the entirety of the Word of God as the literal Truth of the Lord is the only valid understanding of God, for there is no other "understanding"; to the contrary, anything less than that is an utter lack of and aversion toward understanding Him.

[jlick]

Originally Posted by JAGERBOY

Exactly, and nobody has told me how THEY feel. They are just copping out and saying they trust gods judgement. They aren't answering the actual question.

page four and you still do not understand that it is not our place to say?

I read a quote one time that said something along the lines of "every one knows there is a God, but they are afraid to have to answer to someone that has authority over them"

this thread only proves that quote to be true imo.

[JAGERBOY]

Originally Posted by jlick

page four and you still do not understand that it is not our place to say?

Its not your place to say? So you can't think for yourself? So if you trusted a judge in a court case, but he handed down an unfair sentence you wouldn't be able to form an opinion simply because you aren't teh judge? Sounds like a major cop out to me. Again, you are basically just saying god is right no matter what. If god came down and sodomized your mother, skinned her alive and then ate her would you be able to make a judgment call? Or would you still answer "I trust gods judgment"? If so, then you are spineless, intellectually dishonest douche.

I read a quote one time that said something along the lines of "every one knows there is a God, but they are afraid to have to answer to someone that has authority over them"

this thread only proves that quote to be true imo.

That would be an inaccurate quote because I don't believe a god exists. Its just a way for theists to justify there being no proof for a god.