Body Frame???

[dani5162]

H FRAME

Symmetry conditions
Flat outside thigh
Flat sideways thigh
Weak V-Taper
Wide Waist
Flat Buns
Flat Hamstrings
Flat inside calves
Thick ankles
Flat side shoulders

Optional Extras
Thin lower thigh
Flat Rear Shoulders
Concave upper chest
Flat outside triceps

*Avoid low lat exercises, this is being stressed as they may widen the waist appearance*

wow, this and the other description of H is me almost exactly. where did you get this info? this is cool and kindof sucky at the same time that I fit so exactly into a predetermined description.

[Donica]

Mindi911, did you get these stats from one of Negrita Jayde's books? Because I just ordered her "Supervixen" from a used bookstore and am waiting for it to come in the mail... from what you wrote, I am so confused and have NO IDEA what shape I would be (!!) but the concepts are interesting to me. Thanks for the posts!!

[Mindi911]

Originally Posted by dani5162

wow, this and the other description of H is me almost exactly. where did you get this info? this is cool and kindof sucky at the same time that I fit so exactly into a predetermined description.

SuperVixen by Negrita Jayde - like Donica said

Originally Posted by Donica

Mindi911, did you get these stats from one of Negrita Jayde's books? Because I just ordered her "Supervixen" from a used bookstore and am waiting for it to come in the mail... from what you wrote, I am so confused and have NO IDEA what shape I would be (!!) but the concepts are interesting to me. Thanks for the posts!!

Absolutely did

She is awesome - the book is fantastic. I hope you will love it as much as I do Donica

seriously I'm kinda not sure either - I'm still trying to figure out which category I fall into

I think some people can be a mix just look for which fit you most and you'll probably lean more to that category

I don't think everyone will fit exactly into one although a lot of people do

[Donica]

Originally Posted by Mindi911

seriously I'm kinda not sure either - I'm still trying to figure out which category I fall into

I think some people can be a mix just look for which fit you most and you'll probably lean more to that category

I don't think everyone will fit exactly into one although a lot of people do

Ugh... I re-read what you posted and I think I'm a hybrid of an X, a T, and an A!! How is that possible?? When I think of an hourglass (the X) it's always, like, Marilyn Monroe or something and I DON'T look like her (or, in bodybuilding terms, Lenda Murray...). But when I think of a pear shape, I see those slopey-shouldered women with very large hips, thighs, and behinds... not that either. But I'm curvier "downtown" than a T sounds like, besides some other differences, so... AAAUUUGGGHHH!!!

Thanks for putting up the info, though, I'm looking forward to my book!

[Mindi911]

Originally Posted by Donica

Ugh... I re-read what you posted and I think I'm a hybrid of an X, a T, and an A!! How is that possible?? When I think of an hourglass (the X) it's always, like, Marilyn Monroe or something and I DON'T look like her (or, in bodybuilding terms, Lenda Murray...). But when I think of a pear shape, I see those slopey-shouldered women with very large hips, thighs, and behinds... not that either. But I'm curvier "downtown" than a T sounds like, besides some other differences, so... AAAUUUGGGHHH!!!

Thanks for putting up the info, though, I'm looking forward to my book!

the only reason you think Marilyn is because she had a super hourglass figure - the reason for this is because her boobs balances out her hips....

If you look at the hour glass figure whilst people tend to think curvaceous but if you really look at it, it could also mean that the top balances out the bottom - yes you have to have a small waist with the X frame but if you look at all the other frames there is something unbalanced about them...

You can have curves and not be super curvaceous it's just more obvious on girls such as Marilyn imo

[sharonatkinson]

Im definately T shaped
Glad to know what its called now, i used to call myself strawberry shaped!

[girlygirl]

hmmm... so i have some characteristics of H and some of A

H-
little hip curve from straight on
****wide waist from straight on/flat-narrow waist from the side*****
Weighs more than she appears
Dominant thighs
Little to no V-taper
Tendency to have flat buns
ESPECIALLY the waist thing

then for A...

Narrow shoulders
Weak outer chest
Localised saddlebags
Thin lower thigh
Lower tummy bulge

i don't know what some of the other descriptions mean, though

[Mindi911]

Originally Posted by girlygirl

hmmm... so i have some characteristics of H and some of A

H-
little hip curve from straight on
****wide waist from straight on/flat-narrow waist from the side*****
Weighs more than she appears
Dominant thighs
Little to no V-taper
Tendency to have flat buns
ESPECIALLY the waist thing

then for A...

Narrow shoulders
Weak outer chest
Localised saddlebags
Thin lower thigh
Lower tummy bulge

i don't know what some of the other descriptions mean, though

which ones you having trouble with?

[girlygirl]

okay, here's the full list for H & A, the ones that fit and the ones that don't, and the ???s are the ones i don't understand...

H--
- Projects a big person look (nope)
- Big-boned frame (???)
- Very little hip curve when viewed from straight on (check!)
- Broad shoulders (i don't think so... but i don't have sloped shoulders at all)
- Wide back (don't think so)
- Wide waist when viewed from straight on (YES)
- Flat waist when from the side (YES)
- Big joints (probably?)
- Usually smaller-breasted (med for my weight i think)
- Even fat distribution (nope)
- Weighs more than she appears (yes, usually)
- Dominant thighs (yes)
- Little to no V-taper (not sure... but i think so because of the wide waist)
- Tendency to have flat buns (eh, sorta)

Symmetry conditions
Narrow shoulders (i don't think so)
Weak outer chest (yes... i think)
flat side shoulders (???)
Flat outside triceps (???)
Localised saddlebags (YES)
Thin lower thigh (yes)
Lower tummy bulge (yes-ish)
Flat sideways thigh (???)
Flat inside calves (???)

Optional Extras
Concave chest (not sure...)
Weak V-Taper (i don't think it's 'weak' cause my shoulders aren't that narrow?)
Flat rear shoulders (???)
Soft upper hamstrings (???) i don't even know what upperhamstrings are...

[Mindi911]

Big-boned frame -
The best way to test this as said above - put your thumb and finger around your other wrist -
touching/overlapping = small
just touching = medium
not touching at all = large

knowing your skeletal build helps because this is something you can't change

Broad shoulders (i don't think so... but i don't have sloped shoulders at all) not having broad shoulders doesn't mean they must slope...

broad shoulders means that your shoulder are wider than your hips

Big joints (probably?) - check the big boned answer and do the test

Little to no V-taper (not sure... but i think so because of the wide waist)

you have potential to make a really good V-Taper - a tighter latissimus dorsi creates this effect remember it the view from the back, wider lats and good hip sweep

Narrow shoulders (i don't think so) - again smaller than hips

Flat outside triceps - when looking at your arms it gives you a long, uninterrupted line from the end of your shoulder to your hand. It creates a thinned-out, flattened appearance to the arm when viewed from the front. When fully developed the outside triceps have a sharp "zig-zag" shape to them.

Flat sideways thigh - the knee appears bigger, torso line is boring and lower thigh appears slightly masculine. To best view this area, stand sideways and then shift your weight to the leg closest to the mirror. Put the other foot behind the heel of the stabilised foot. This throws your hips forward. If your side thigh curve does not become pronounced, you could use some work there

Flat inside calves - this is not size related as large calves often lack inner shape. If you view your legs from the front it's a straight line from knee to ankle, you leg doesn't have the sweep which is the creme da le creme to finish off your visually...

Concave chest (not sure...) - sorry i meant upper chest here, it's where you have thin pectoral development below the collar bone

Flat rear shoulders - the absence of rear delt mass creates this effect. (it can also be mistaken for poor posture) It looks like an overly rounded back.

Soft upper hamstrings - i don't even know what upperhamstrings are..

It a cousin to droopy buns and and localised saddle bags. Upper hamstrings are the very top of the leg just before your butt starts. When these are soft you look squishy from the back and side

[amy78]

It is hard to pick.... I think I am an X but I also have characteristics from others off the list. Also, I think we can see ourselves differently to what actually exists.

For me, as long as I can remember I have been this frame. Even when I used to do hours of exercise as a teen. I was always the bigger one. (taller) and I felt like I did not fit in. I am a medium build. I will never be 125 lbs or even 135 lbs, I think I would look sickly. I have had 2 children and I could stand to lose 5-10lbs, but that would be my max.

It is very interesting to read what you all had to say...

[IronIc]

Originally Posted by Mindi911

The X Frame

The physically characteristics are:

- Also referred to as the hourglass figure
- Wide shoulders
- Tiny waist
- Strong hip curve when viewed from the front
- V-taper to the back
- Tight rounded buns
- Good inner calves
- Joints appear smaller than actual size
- Breasts vary from small to large
- Even weight distribution
- Good outer calves
- Attractive from all angles

Visual Strength Area
Waist - key to beautiful symmetry

Originally Posted by Mindi911

The O Frame

The physical Characteristics

- Clearly overweight
- Obsecured jawline
- Rumpled surface contour
- Massive arms
- Large lower stomach
- Lower buns and upper hamstrings melded together
- Prominent hips
- Back is rounded with excessive mass
- Joints vary from medium to large
- Stomach is most prominent outer point when viewed from the side
- Typically massive calves
- Large foremass

Visual Strength Area
Unknown - cannot be assessed

LOL! I have characteristics of both the best and worst body types, haha ...

I have the hourglass figure and basic well proportions of the X, but (and especially since I've gotten older) I have the frontal fat (and belly fat) of the O. I have a medium frame.

[girlygirl]

Originally Posted by Mindi911

Big-boned frame -
The best way to test this as said above - put your thumb and finger around your other wrist -
touching/overlapping = small
just touching = medium
not touching at all = large

knowing your skeletal build helps because this is something you can't change

aight, big boned then--no where near touching. kinda figured this since my bones stick out through fat all over lol

Broad shoulders (i don't think so... but i don't have sloped shoulders at all) not having broad shoulders doesn't mean they must slope...

broad shoulders means that your shoulder are wider than your hips

aaah. then i do have broad shoulders. my hips are not wide really from the front, compared to my shoulders.

Big joints (probably?) - check the big boned answer and do the test

yup

Little to no V-taper (not sure... but i think so because of the wide waist)

you have potential to make a really good V-Taper - a tighter latissimus dorsi creates this effect remember it the view from the back, wider lats and good hip sweep

okay, i see.

Flat outside triceps - when looking at your arms it gives you a long, uninterrupted line from the end of your shoulder to your hand. It creates a thinned-out, flattened appearance to the arm when viewed from the front. When fully developed the outside triceps have a sharp "zig-zag" shape to them.

hmmm, i will have to look in the mirror, but i think this is the case. i have a lot of fat/loose skin on the back of my arm though so it's hard to say. i used to waitress and had awesome arms then, though, definitely had the zigzag.

Flat sideways thigh - the knee appears bigger, torso line is boring and lower thigh appears slightly masculine. To best view this area, stand sideways and then shift your weight to the leg closest to the mirror. Put the other foot behind the heel of the stabilised foot. This throws your hips forward. If your side thigh curve does not become pronounced, you could use some work there

nope, not a problem. despite the fact that i've always felt my thighs were too big even i can admit they have a sexy curvy look from the side.

Flat inside calves - this is not size related as large calves often lack inner shape. If you view your legs from the front it's a straight line from knee to ankle, you leg doesn't have the sweep which is the creme da le creme to finish off your visually...

doesn't look like this a problem either. i mean it's under developed but i have raw material to work with.

Concave chest (not sure...) - sorry i meant upper chest here, it's where you have thin pectoral development below the collar bone

oh, then definitely. it's one of my pet peeves... i kind of like that my sternum bones are visible but i hate the scooped out profile i have, it makes it kinda seem like my breasts are saggy but they're not.

Flat rear shoulders - the absence of rear delt mass creates this effect. (it can also be mistaken for poor posture) It looks like an overly rounded back.

nope... well, i wouldn't say i have 'mass' per se but my back doesn't look rounded at all.

Soft upper hamstrings - i don't even know what upperhamstrings are..

It a cousin to droopy buns and and localised saddle bags. Upper hamstrings are the very top of the leg just before your butt starts. When these are soft you look squishy from the back and side

YES YES YES I HAVE THESE. oh lord how do i fix this? i'm so glad i know what it's called now because i have no real issue with the fact that i've got a butt, but (heh) squishy from the back and the side=me no matter how much cardio i do or how low my weight is!

[Xquisit]

Originally Posted by Mindi911

so for eg - looking at your symmetry conditions

Narrow shoulders :
Behind the neck press
Seated Dumbbell Press
Jayde's deadlift (if you wanna know this I can try and explain)

Weak outer chest:
Bench Press
Bench Dumbbell press
Pec Dec Flyes

Flat side shoulders
Lateral raises
Upright Dumbbell row
Cable laterals

Flat outside triceps:
Lying Dumbbell extensions
Tricep pushdowns
Cross body extensions

Localised saddlebags:
Hack Squats
Incline leg press
Squats
Single line leg out

Thin lower thigh:
Squats
Hack Squats
Incline leg press
Leg extensions

Lower tummy bulge:
Incline leg raises
Knee raises
Bench leg tucks
Bent-Knee leg raises

Flat sideways thigh:
Leg Press
Hack Squats
Sissy squats

Flat inside calves:
Standing calf raises
Smith Machine Calf Raises
Leg press calf raises
Reverse calf raises

also can I suggest if you are thinking of doing any of these exercises, whilst alot of them cross over sometimes it's the slightest change in stance - foot width - hand placement - foot placement that makes all the difference so don't think just by doing one exercise you are covered - research how you should stand etc...first

Thank you for this information

You're awesome!

[gynoid]

Originally Posted by girlygirl

YES YES YES I HAVE THESE. oh lord how do i fix this? i'm so glad i know what it's called now because i have no real issue with the fact that i've got a butt, but (heh) squishy from the back and the side=me no matter how much cardio i do or how low my weight is!

Re: the upper hamstrings - I've been riding my bike 5hrs a week for the past month and this is the area I've had the most muscle gain in. I usd to poke a finger into that area and it was just squishy, and now I poke myself there and I can feel loads of hard muscle! I think it's hill climbs that target this area most of all.

[Donica]

Hee-hee, "Supervixen" came in the mail today and all of the body types are illustrated with these comic-bookish silhouettes!! And some of the exercises I've never heard of before--like today I tried out squatting calf raises for the first time (with only bodyweight) and boy did they kill!! Great book at first initial glance, great pictures, great info... I will certainly enjoy reading it more thoroughly in the coming weeks!! Negrita Jayde certainly knows her stuff and has a great physique to boot!

[Donica]

Originally Posted by Mindi911

the only reason you think Marilyn is because she had a super hourglass figure - the reason for this is because her boobs balances out her hips....

If you look at the hour glass figure whilst people tend to think curvaceous but if you really look at it, it could also mean that the top balances out the bottom - yes you have to have a small waist with the X frame but if you look at all the other frames there is something unbalanced about them...

You can have curves and not be super curvaceous it's just more obvious on girls such as Marilyn imo

After reading through that section of the book now, I think I'm a "modest X" in the sense that I am certainly not a showstopper like Marilyn Monroe or one of the pro bodybuilders who've created their perfect X in the gym, but I'm pretty balanced as a whole but with a slightly less waspy waist. But maybe as my lats get bigger I'll create a greater illusion of that--so I'll have to test Negrita's methods on myself and be a guinea pig!!

[Mindi911]

Originally Posted by Donica

After reading through that section of the book now, I think I'm a "modest X" in the sense that I am certainly not a showstopper like Marilyn Monroe or one of the pro bodybuilders who've created their perfect X in the gym, but I'm pretty balanced as a whole but with a slightly less waspy waist. But maybe as my lats get bigger I'll create a greater illusion of that--so I'll have to test Negrita's methods on myself and be a guinea pig!!

Yay guinea pigs they're so cute and fuffy............oh wait nevermind

a modest X is a great starting point you have the perfect starting point

How do you like the book so far?

BB'ing is all about creating an "illusion". I do the twists for ab's every workout

Honestly Donica I think you're better than Marilyn

and there is nothing you can't work remember that

[Mindi911]

Originally Posted by Donica

Hee-hee, "Supervixen" came in the mail today and all of the body types are illustrated with these comic-bookish silhouettes!! And some of the exercises I've never heard of before--like today I tried out squatting calf raises for the first time (with only bodyweight) and boy did they kill!! Great book at first initial glance, great pictures, great info... I will certainly enjoy reading it more thoroughly in the coming weeks!! Negrita Jayde certainly knows her stuff and has a great physique to boot!

LMAO her 'outfits' are just to hilarious but yeah her body is just amazing. She has definitely become and inspiration to me.

Tell me about it I tried sissy squats the other and she says wait for the burn - oh boy did it burn, nearly brought tears to my eyes