New Gay Thread (part 2)

[vagymguy]

Originally Posted by pseudohero

i stayed at a Holiday Inn Express in Atlanta once..

Excellent statement!!!! Maybe -=MD=- should stay at one.

[vagymguy]

Originally Posted by ITNewibie

Hello all

I am from Cleveland Ohio and I am going down to the Arnold Expo on Saturday the 1st with a friend of mine just wondering who if anyone from this thread witll be there. Lots of eye candy

I went for a couple of hours last year because a was in town for a family thing. Had an awesome time and the eye candy was beyond belief. My bf and I will be there for all three days

[KnowstheSky]

Originally Posted by ITNewibie

Hello all

I am from Cleveland Ohio and I am going down to the Arnold Expo on Saturday the 1st with a friend of mine just wondering who if anyone from this thread witll be there. Lots of eye candy

I'm there on Saturday with some buds! More muscle than u can shake a "stick" at! Will be a blast!

[bhujerban]

Originally Posted by KnowstheSky

I'm there on Saturday with some buds! More muscle than u can shake a "stick" at! Will be a blast!

Sounds like fun. I'm sure a few of us shake our sticks at those beauties!

[Mr.R.]

I was in Atlanta once. I met these really cool people on the street and they took me to this party so everybody was a complete stranger. It was a great party but I couldn't remember how I got back to my hotel the next day. Anyway, I only had my license in my pocket and it must of fell out during the night so I started to panic alittle wondering how I am going to get home without a license. I went down to the desk and the people from the party had delivered my license to the hotel. I must have mentioned where I was staying. I had no way of contacting them. They were complete strangers. Nice people down in Atlanta.

[LoL Rick]

Originally Posted by pseudohero

i stayed at a Holiday Inn Express in Atlanta once..

Repped.

[AlexNJ]

I had a stop-over at the Atlanta airport on my way to New Orleans once. Does that count?

[MiamiSpartan]

Supposed to be cooler this weekend...It could mean lots of perkier nipps out there by the ocean....

And it's good to have electric back on today!!

[trvlr70]

Originally Posted by MiamiSpartan

Supposed to be cooler this weekend...It could mean lots of perkier nipps out there by the ocean....

And it's good to have electric back on today!!

It is supposed to be around 80 degrees! After this a.m.'s snow flurries, that sounds heavenly.

[Superion]

Boarding the plan in about 30 mins, i am so not made for waking up early, god damn 6am flights.

Have a good weekend everyone.

And John, have an awesom time at the Winter Party. Will need a full report on it.

[bodybuilder6949]

anyone out there.......PM me...

[trvlr70]

Originally Posted by bodybuilder6949

anyone out there.......PM me...

FYI: this isn't a hookup site

just sayin'

[wouldlikemuscle]

Originally Posted by trvlr70

FYI: this isn't a hookup site

just sayin'

for 99% of the time anyway






Superion... have a fab weekend fella x

[jahthehot1]

hey was going on you all, Atlanta guy here new to this , hey peep my blog and tell me what the hell iam doing wrong .. oh and looking guys keep up the good work...

[MiamiSpartan]

uh oh....are you really from "Atlanta?"
What do you think about Montreal?

[maxmills37]

Originally Posted by Muscle Bear

Steve,

I have no idea where the thread has gone since you posted this morning, because as soon as I read your post, I had to respond. What you wrote made me physically ill, literally.

It made me ill because I agree with it too acutely and precisely. And I'm not trying to exaggerate or be sarcastic. Here's what I know, or can add to what you wrote, that may be of some value:

I watched the same debate on Tuesday from Soldier Field here in Chicago. I had the opportunity to be there in person, holding a placard for Edwards as a volunteer (yes, I'm biased, but I did my homework for two years), but personal circumstances prevented me from going. I saw the same halting, rigid body language in Obama that you did. At the HRC/Logo Debate, I watched, with some astonishment, when Obama, unable to successfully dodge an important question about addressing homophobia in the black community from a well-known Washington Post questioner (who was himself black) respond with indignation, "Oh, c'mon now!" I had THOUGHT we were striving for politicians who worked for the PEOPLE! Obama's ultimate answer was as direct as when Kieth Olbermann asked him on Tuesday if he would invite Barry Bonds to the White House.

Obama & God: He hasn't "found" God; he goes to the same SOUTH-Side mega-church that all political figures go to when they want to curry favor with the near-majority demographic here in Chicago. In bed with Farrakhan? Let's just leave it at this: we're both members of a minority group, too, Steve -- makes it damn hard to be a bigot. We know what discrimination feels like. But we wouldn't be allowed into that church, and the trip back would be literally dangerous. I don't remember his name, but he could not be anymore outspoken. And I don't understand how hatred is a christian value. I tried once, when I didn't know better. Obama was going to have this guy deliver the invocation at his official campaign kick-off, but his handlers advised him against it, because the guy is too well-known state-wide for racial bigotry and homophobia.

I appreciate and understand the perceived hypocrisy towards John Edwards; my perception is different, since I grew up in a place (Newport Beach) where huge houses and too much money were the rule, not the exception. But from everything I know of Edwards, he worked his backside off and earned that wealth. His wife was diagnosed with cancer in 2004 -- when they began building their huge home. But he worked for it. Long before he was in political life, or had ambitions, they endowed school enrichment and other programs, and personally gave their services in honor of their son that died -- something they have continues without interruption. They give in other ways, a lot more than most people with equal wealth. John Edwards is not a Jesuit priest, and until he takes a vow to be, I think he shouldn't be held to a higher standard with his wealth than all the other candidates -- (the ones who are electable) -- ALL of whom are millionaires many times over.

As sad as I am that you had to turn to your U.S. Senator for help with child support -- the one who was campaigning 70/hours a weeks helped you. I can't comment on Mrs. Dole, because I have nothing civil to say about her. I'm just grateful you got the help you needed.

If you do check Edward's voting record (try www.factcheck.org), you may not agree with 100% of it, but if you're pleasantly surprised, please talk to anyone you can. The previous 6 1/2 years have been nearly destroyed our Constitution.

Your points A -d are right on the money -- email the candidates, too -- it takes MANY voices! -- Keith Olbermann (Countdown with Keith Olbermann - MSNBC @ 8: 00 PM EDT may interest you -- you may like his outlook.)

Until WE ALL UNIFY and get serious about a lot of things -- especially if we care about the future, no one will take our cause to a podium in a presidential race .... not as long as we're a "political liability" because this country has it's standards backwards.

Sorry for going on so long!

I've had a chance to read a few of the posts regarding persons "perceptions" of Sen. Obama. That he is rigid, etc. Well, it's amazing that you all have this view. I and millions of other Americans don't see this. We see a calm man, a wise man, and someone who is really sick and tired of all the bs. However, he composes himself and realizes that in the end, we all have to work together to make this country work. Not work against each other. I find it troubling that adults are so incapable of focusing in the real issues this country faces. They'd rather discuss their personal opinions about his appearance. Hence, the boom of reality tv. While we are busy worrying about what Sen. Obama looks like, he's busy helping this country become better positioned with the rest of the world. My suggestion is that before we judge any person, we first look at ourselves. Are you perfect? The answer is that no human on the face of this earth is. So give it rest with the criticism. We have great people on this earth who can do amazing things if we give them a chance.

[MitchMan04]

well if there's anyone that's going to be at the arnold on saturday, hit me up. I'd love to hang out with some other big guys. I'll be going there alone around the time the doors open. So shoot me a PM if you'd wanna hang out (maybe get some lunch or something)!

[bhujerban]

Originally Posted by maxmills37

I've had a chance to read a few of the posts regarding persons "perceptions" of Sen. Obama.

Wow, when did this become the political forum??

[atticus_a]

Originally Posted by maxmills37

I've had a chance to read a few of the posts regarding persons "perceptions" of Sen. Obama. That he is rigid, etc. Well, it's amazing that you all have this view. I and millions of other Americans don't see this. We see a calm man, a wise man, and someone who is really sick and tired of all the bs. However, he composes himself and realizes that in the end, we all have to work together to make this country work. Not work against each other. I find it troubling that adults are so incapable of focusing in the real issues this country faces. They'd rather discuss their personal opinions about his appearance. Hence, the boom of reality tv. While we are busy worrying about what Sen. Obama looks like, he's busy helping this country become better positioned with the rest of the world. My suggestion is that before we judge any person, we first look at ourselves. Are you perfect? The answer is that no human on the face of this earth is. So give it rest with the criticism. We have great people on this earth who can do amazing things if we give them a chance.

huh?

Why is this here? I don't recall Muscle Bear posting this in this thread but I might be mistaken. I am not a support of Obama either but I think there are better threads to discuss these. If you would care to inform us on Obama stances on homosexuality and what he would do for our community then I think it would be great for you to post this on the thread because that would be appropriate. I realy doubt Obama will do anything progressive for gay people because I believe he is just following party lines in his platform but does not really feel that way. The reasons of course is his affliation with Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Caldwell (Bush spiritual advisor), and his strong involvement in the faith based community. More important then a president is who that person surrounds themselves with and if all of his allies are anti-gay even if he was personal supportive of gays little policies designed to help them would transpire. But sir, if you want to PM, I would more then willing to go Toe-to-toe with you to inform you why I believe he is just as lame as any other candidate.

[Want2BeStrong]

I don't follow politics much at all, but do ANY of the candidates support gay rights? It always seems to come down to voting on the lesser of 2 evils...

[atticus_a]

Originally Posted by Want2BeStrong

I don't follow politics much at all, but do ANY of the candidates support gay rights? It always seems to come down to voting on the lesser of 2 evils...

That is a complex issue.

First there is the if they support gay rights or not.
If they support gay rights what will that support look like?
If they don't support gay rights what will that look like?

On the face of it, Obama and Hillary support gay rights. I personally do not believe Obama truly does but you never know. As for Hillary, her husband administration did don't ask don't tell. Which I think was a step in the right direction but most people bitch because a) they didn't think it was enough b) the institution preverted it so they used as mechanism to discriminate gays. Hillary also is the only one to walk in gay pride and works for supporting HIV treatment and research. But I have some misgivenings that it might be more of a calculated gambit more then a dedication to helping the gays. Both Obama and Hillary are for civil unions though.

I will post the links to both of the candidates talks about the topic. But here they both are.

[atticus_a]

Obama

Barack Obama is trying to reach out to gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, confused and all the other kinds of voters out there.
The Democratic presidential hopeful has just written the following message:
"I'm running for President to build an America that lives up to our founding promise of equality for all ? a promise that extends to our gay brothers and sisters. It's wrong to have millions of Americans living as second-class citizens in this nation. And I ask for your support in this election so that together we can bring about real change for all LGBT Americans.
Equality is a moral imperative. That's why throughout my career, I have fought to eliminate discrimination against LGBT Americans. In Illinois, I co-sponsored a fully inclusive bill that prohibited discrimination on the basis of both sexual orientation and gender identity, extending protection to the workplace, housing, and places of public accommodation. In the U.S. Senate, I have co-sponsored bills that would equalize tax treatment for same-sex couples and provide benefits to domestic partners of federal employees. And as president, I will place the weight of my administration behind the enactment of the Matthew Shepard Act to outlaw hate crimes and a fully inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act to outlaw workplace discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.
As your President, I will use the bully pulpit to urge states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws. I personally believe that civil unions represent the best way to secure that equal treatment. But I also believe that the federal government should not stand in the way of states that want to decide on their own how best to pursue equality for gay and lesbian couples ? whether that means a domestic partnership, a civil union, or a civil marriage. Unlike Senator Clinton, I support the complete repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA? a position I have held since before arriving in the U.S. Senate. While some say we should repeal only part of the law, I believe we should get rid of that statute altogether. Federal law should not discriminate in any way against gay and lesbian couples, which is precisely what DOMA does. I have also called for us to repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and I have worked to improve the Uniting American Families Act so we can afford same-sex couples the same rights and obligations as married couples in our immigration system.
The next president must also address the HIV/AIDS epidemic. When it comes to prevention, we do not have to choose between values and science. While abstinence education should be part of any strategy, we also need to use common sense. We should have age-appropriate sex education that includes information about contraception. We should pass the JUSTICE Act to combat infection within our prison population. And we should lift the federal ban on needle exchange, which could dramatically reduce rates of infection among drug users. In addition, local governments can protect public health by distributing contraceptives.
We also need a president who's willing to confront the stigma ? too often tied to homophobia ? that continues to surround HIV/AIDS. I confronted this stigma directly in a speech to evangelicals at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church, and will continue to speak out as president. That is where I stand on the major issues of the day. But having the right positions on the issues is only half the battle. The other half is to win broad support for those positions. And winning broad support will require stepping outside our comfort zone. If we want to repeal DOMA, repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell, and implement fully inclusive laws outlawing hate crimes and discrimination in the workplace, we need to bring the message of LGBT equality to skeptical audiences as well as friendly ones ? and that's what I've done throughout my career. I brought this message of inclusiveness to all of America in my keynote address at the 2004 Democratic convention. I talked about the need to fight homophobia when I announced my candidacy for President, and I have been talking about LGBT equality to a number of groups during this campaign ? from local LGBT activists to rural farmers to parishioners at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, where Dr. Martin Luther King once preached.
Just as important, I have been listening to what all Americans have to say. I will never compromise on my commitment to equal rights for all LGBT Americans. But neither will I close my ears to the voices of those who still need to be convinced. That is the work we must do to move forward together. It is difficult. It is challenging. And it is necessary.
Americans are yearning for leadership that can empower us to reach for what we know is possible. I believe that we can achieve the goal of full equality for the millions of LGBT people in this country. To do that, we need leadership that can appeal to the best parts of the human spirit. Join with me, and I will provide that leadership. Together, we will achieve real equality for all Americans, gay and straight alike."

[atticus_a]

As I have traveled around the country these past twelve months, what I sensed in my heart has been confirmed ? America is embracing its LGBT sons and daughters with an acceptance and understanding as never before. On the campaign trail, a father of a gay son will ask about ending Don?t Ask, Don?t Tell. A woman will ask why she can be discriminated against just because of who she is. Sometimes they wait furtively for the crowd to thin and then whisper their confidences in a soft voice and sometimes they stand up proudly at town meetings and want me to share my views on how I will help lead the change to assure that this country fulfills its promise to everyone.
Let me tell you what I have been telling voters across America. I am fully committed to the fair and equal treatment of LGBT Americans. For seven long years, the Bush Administration has tried to divide us - only seeing people who matter to them. It's been a government of the few, by the few, and for the few. And no community has been more invisible to this administration than the LGBT community.
I will change that. The best evidence of what I will do as President is what I have already done.
* I am proud of my record as First Lady, as a U.S. Senator and as a candidate for President in working toward the fair and equal treatment of LGBT Americans.
* I am proud that as Chair of the Senate Democratic Steering and Outreach Committee in 2006, I worked closely with LBGT community to develop a smart strategy that defeated the Federal Marriage Amendment. I am proud of fighting the FMA as divisive wedge politics at its worst.
* I am proud to be a co-sponsor of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, the Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act, and the Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligation Act which would grant the same benefits (including health insurance) to domestic partners of federal employees that are currently offered to employees? legal spouses.
* I am proud to have authored the Early Treatment for HIV Act, which expands access to vital treatment options for low-income individuals living with HIV, and fought to fully fund the Ryan White CARE Act.
* I am proud that I hired a National Director of LGBT Outreach within a month of announcing my candidacy for President and to have openly gay and lesbian staffers serving at all levels of my campaign.
* I am proud to have a National LGBT Steering Committee of over 130 that includes openly LGBT elected officials, Board members and opinion leaders on issues ranging from transgender rights, to HIV/AIDS, to ?Don?t Ask Don?t Tell?.
* I am proud to have marched in Gay Pride parades as both First Lady and as Senator and to have spoken in front of so many LGBT audiences ranging from the Human Rights Campaign, Empire State Pride Agenda, the Hetrick Martin Institute, PFLAG (Parents, Families, and Friends of Lesbians and Gays), GMHC (Gay Men?s Health Crisis), and the American Foundation for AIDS Research.
* I am proud to have fought Republican efforts to demonize and marginalize the LGBT community, and I will continue to do that as President.
We have so much work to do. When I am President, we will work together to make sure that all Americans in committed relationships have equal benefits and that nothing stands in the way of loving couples who want to adopt children in need. We're going to expand our federal hate crimes legislation and pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act and assure that they are both fully inclusive of all people. And finally, we will put an end to the failed policy of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Courage, honor, patriotism and sacrifice ? the traits that define our men and women in uniform ? have nothing to do with sexual orientation.
My father was a conservative Republican, who held very traditional views for much of his life. Yet in his last years, it was a gay couple who lived next door who provided much of the compassion and comfort he and my mother needed as he grew ill. And it was that same neighbor who held his hand as he died. If my father can move, America can move.
To each and every LGBT American, I say this. You have done so much to help this country understand your lives by simply being open and honest about who you are and living your lives with dignity. Thank you for your courage. It is time that we recognize your hard work. I know that this country is ready for changes in the law that reflect the evolution in our hearts.
America deserves a President who appeals to the best in each of us, not the worst; a President who values and respects all Americans and treats all Americans equally no matter who they are or who they love. I want to be that President. I want to be your President.

[Invictus_Nth]

i dunno, guys. as much as i'm glad to see everyone in this current thread is engaged in debating the current/upcoming socio-political environment here in the states - let's try to turn this thread around and make it a little more light-hearted, eh?

and that "light-heartedness" would be the finer aspects of looking kick ass when the clothes are off.

(i'm partially kidding. it *is* cool y'all are engaged about this election. we should be.)

chicago-man here and relatively new to bodyspace. my m.o. is to meet people on here to keep my ass motivated as i rebuild myself. a fellow 'mo to know would be cool as hell.

carry on.

[wouldlikemuscle]

^^ Welcome man!

[BuffBrummie]

Hey--
Any of you boys Canadian? From Toronto?
Shane

[MiamiSpartan]

Originally Posted by Invictus_Nth

i dunno, guys. as much as i'm glad to see everyone in this current thread is engaged in debating the current/upcoming socio-political environment here in the states - let's try to turn this thread around and make it a little more light-hearted, eh?

and that "light-heartedness" would be the finer aspects of looking kick ass when the clothes are off.

(i'm partially kidding. it *is* cool y'all are engaged about this election. we should be.)

chicago-man here and relatively new to bodyspace. my m.o. is to meet people on here to keep my ass motivated as i rebuild myself. a fellow 'mo to know would be cool as hell.

carry on.

We "Chicagoans" are taking over this thread!! Welcome!

[LR3]

Originally Posted by maxmills37

I've had a chance to read a few of the posts regarding persons "perceptions" of Sen. Obama. That he is rigid, etc. Well, it's amazing that you all have this view. I and millions of other Americans don't see this. We see a calm man, a wise man, and someone who is really sick and tired of all the bs. However, he composes himself and realizes that in the end, we all have to work together to make this country work. Not work against each other. I find it troubling that adults are so incapable of focusing in the real issues this country faces. They'd rather discuss their personal opinions about his appearance. Hence, the boom of reality tv. While we are busy worrying about what Sen. Obama looks like, he's busy helping this country become better positioned with the rest of the world. My suggestion is that before we judge any person, we first look at ourselves. Are you perfect? The answer is that no human on the face of this earth is. So give it rest with the criticism. We have great people on this earth who can do amazing things if we give them a chance.

be careful how you use " Well, it's amazing that you all have this view." as i have never held this view. i have not heard anything but intelligence coming from obama's lips.

Originally Posted by bhujerburan

Wow, when did this become the political forum??

being gay seems inherently political--at least until the rest of the world stops treating us differently

Originally Posted by atticus_a

huh?

Why is this here? I don't recall Muscle Bear posting this in this thread but I might be mistaken. I am not a support of Obama either but I think there are better threads to discuss these. If you would care to inform us on Obama stances on homosexuality and what he would do for our community then I think it would be great for you to post this on the thread because that would be appropriate. I realy doubt Obama will do anything progressive for gay people because I believe he is just following party lines in his platform but does not really feel that way. The reasons of course is his affliation with Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Caldwell (Bush spiritual advisor), and his strong involvement in the faith based community. More important then a president is who that person surrounds themselves with and if all of his allies are anti-gay even if he was personal supportive of gays little policies designed to help them would transpire. But sir, if you want to PM, I would more then willing to go Toe-to-toe with you to inform you why I believe he is just as lame as any other candidate.

MB posted here-that post was back in august. he was supporting and involved with another democratic candidate.

Originally Posted by Want2BeStrong

I don't follow politics much at all, but do ANY of the candidates support gay rights? It always seems to come down to voting on the lesser of 2 evils...

both democrats support civil unions, but will not publicly support gay marriage--though once in office, that may change. it is such a hot button issue with conservatives/religious and traditionalist who fail to see that marriage is a breach of the separation of church and state--that it is best that they don't support it publicly--though I suspect either, if in the white house would ever refuse to sign a law allowing gay marriage--just to say it now could be political suicide.

[atticus_a]

Originally Posted by LR3

be careful how you use " Well, it's amazing that you all have this view." as i have never held this view. i have not heard anything but intelligence coming from obama's lips.

being gay seems inherently political--at least until the rest of the world stops treating us differently

MB posted here-that post was back in august. he was supporting and involved with another democratic candidate.

both democrats support civil unions, but will not publicly support gay marriage--though once in office, that may change. it is such a hot button issue with conservatives/religious and traditionalist who fail to see that marriage is a breach of the separation of church and state--that it is best that they don't support it publicly--though I suspect either, if in the white house would ever refuse to sign a law allowing gay marriage--just to say it now could be political suicide.

Before I say anything, I will be blunt into saying that I think all of these guys are politicians so I expect them to do and say things to get votes and power. I have arguing against Obama in the past merely because people forget first and foremost that he is a politician and subject to being just like everyone else at the end of the day. I think that he deserves the same scrutiny as everyone else which I don't think he is getting. I am as fond of him as I think I could be of a politician though. He is damned likeable. Although I am not fond of her as a person, I would prefer Hillary as president (I think she has a ruthlessness that breeds effectiveness but isn't likeable or endearing at all). Currently, I support her and am not a supporter of his. Once he is conclusive that he beats her, I will vote for him in Nov but not before.

Obama sounds intelligent. Of course one could pull apart his speeches like when he talked to gays about being second class citizens and than goes on to say that he supports civil union. I don't know about you but that sounds too separate but equal for me. First class citizens would be entitled to the same benefits as everyone else. I think it was bad form to pair them in the same speech because of the possible implications. If McCain or Hillary did that, it would have been commented on. Also when he talks about inclusiveness of religions but calls atheist unbelievers--the implications are slightly offensive to the whole concept of atheism. His speeches often have some offensiveness to them like most politicians speeches, but at the end of the day it is nit picking. Personally, it isn't a big deal to me; I do have reservations about the fact the media isn't doing anything about it. I don't want to deal with the culminate disappointment factor when everyone learns that he is a likeable, articulate, ambitious, politician and not the outsider that will change everything for the better. Because even if that is his plan and desire, he will meet resistance. The institutions and individuals that are profitting from the system will definitely resist change for the fear of loss of their power bases. The common people might be convinced by his speeches but politicians with invested interest in perserving the status quo will not be easily convinced.

But LR is right when he said that because most of us don't share the same view as Muscle bear. Gays are not a giant borg with a group think. But our existence is highly political. What do you think was one of the main factors that won the past couple elections? Gay marriage was considered a bigger threat then anything else. The public would whether have religious fundamentalist warmongers over candidates that support the concept of gay marriage. It is a big deal. It will be like abortion; something that is inherently going to be re-hashed over in over again.

I agree neither would support gay marriage. Obama has a lot of religious support (when the fundies support him over Huckabee you know something is there) and is profoundly religious himself and Hillary wouldn't do it unless she was ready to retire which I don't think is going to happen until she is too old to vote. Hillary might because I personally think she hates the GOP and would do anything to hurt them after all the harassment they have given her through the years. But neither would unless something significant happen. McCain will probably be neither bad or good for gays. I know that he has gay staff and advisors, and he doesn't actively hate them. The link is the logcabin republican's views on the republican candidates. If Huckabee is the VP-it would be a significant problem for gays. Mister lets seperate people living with HIV from the rest of the population. Changing the constitution to match the words of God. He is a freak.
http://online.logcabin.org/issues/elections_2008.html

[Invictus_Nth]

Originally Posted by wouldlikemuscle

^^ Welcome man!

Originally Posted by MiamiSpartan

We "Chicagoans" are taking over this thread!! Welcome!

thanks fellas. i appreciate the welcome - it's much appreciated.