Dairy on a cut?

[ConanHC]

Hey,

I'm making a preparation diet plan for my cut cycle and I'm basing it on this: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/hugo29.htm

Now, this article is very strict, but it does not talk about dairy on a cut, like ff milk, cc and yogurt.

It is worthwhile? if not, why?

thanks.

[LayzieBone085]

Originally Posted by ConanHC

Hey,

I'm making a preparation diet plan for my cut cycle and I'm basing it on this: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/hugo29.htm

Now, this article is very strict, but it does not talk about dairy on a cut, like ff milk, cc and yogurt.

It is worthwhile? if not, why?

thanks.

sure is worthwhile

dairy is a great source of a casein + whey mixture that is essential to bodybuilders.

These are good sources to have before bed ( such as cottage cheese ) or for a meal throughout the day that you want to have slowly digesting and keeping you full for a cut.

Milk is also a very good bodybuilding drink as it has a great carb/protein ratio and has been shown that when mixed PWO with some whey will cause a greater insuling spike and help aid in protein synthesis..

I would keep dairy for the facts above and as a good way to get some calcium and Vitamin D into your diet.

Hope this was helpful. Just play it into your macros.

[Sim882]

Milk has a high insulin index, so if ur aiming to keep your insulin levels down, I wouldn't consume stacks of it.

However, as alluded to by previous poster, this makes it useful PWO. So I would consider employing when you want the insulin - definitely PWO, and if u really want milk, breakful and post cardio

[CHEEF]

Originally Posted by Sim882

Milk has a high insulin index, so if ur aiming to keep your insulin levels down, I wouldn't consume stacks of it.

However, as alluded to by previous poster, this makes it useful PWO. So I would consider employing when you want the insulin - definitely PWO, and if u really want milk, breakful and post cardio

plus dairy is bad for water retention

[Sim882]

Originally Posted by CHEEF

plus dairy is bad for water retention

This doesn't happen to me - its personal isn't it? Processed salt is the thing I notice causing water retention

Does water retention really matter though - just drop it at cut's end. Perhaps its better to unknowingly suffer from water retention during a cut - its motivation if u think u have more to lose than you think!

[2 D]

Originally Posted by Sim882

This doesn't happen to me - its personal isn't it? Processed salt is the thing I notice causing water retention

Does water retention really matter though - just drop it at cut's end. Perhaps its better to unknowingly suffer from water retention during a cut - its motivation if u think u have more to lose than you think!

It is interesting that you say that, because when I eat hot sauce and Mustard I don't notice water retention, they don't have loads of sodium in them, but they have some. When I take in some forms of dairy I definitely feel water retention.

[Sim882]

Originally Posted by 2 D

It is interesting that you say that, because when I eat hot sauce and Mustard I don't notice water retention, they don't have loads of sodium in them, but they have some. When I take in some forms of dairy I definitely feel water retention.

I notice fizzy drinks will cause bloating also, but its about 12 hours, and is always fine next day.

Natural sea salt does nothing to me, whereas processed does. I think everyone is different re: bloating - wheat, whey, casein, dairy, eggs, sodium, artificial sweetners, carbonated beverages, soy, are all foods claimed to bloat some people.

Anything bloats u mildly, even water - that is why we look best in morning on empty stomach.

[kingtego]

There are multiple studies showing that subjects on a cut lost more fat and gained more fat on diets accompanied by casein protein than on diets accompanied by whey protein. Casein protein is great for a cut.

And some people do retain water from dairy, but not all do, if you don't then go for it.

[ConanHC]

Originally Posted by kingtego

There are multiple studies showing that subjects on a cut lost more fat and gained more fat on diets accompanied by casein protein than on diets accompanied by whey protein.

Did you mean lost more fat and gained more muscle? if so, you can actually gain muscle on a cut?

[LayzieBone085]

Originally Posted by ConanHC

Did you mean lost more fat and gained more muscle? if so, you can actually gain muscle on a cut?

depending on an individual and the state they are in yes..

coming from soneone who is small and looking to tone up a bit maybe not so much,

but if the person is obese and overweight and cutting.. they have a good chance of losing that fat and making some good muscle in the progress

[ConanHC]

point well taken, thanks.

[kingtego]

Originally Posted by ConanHC

Did you mean lost more fat and gained more muscle? if so, you can actually gain muscle on a cut?

OH hah, I meant gained more strength. The studies were on overweight adults, so as Layzie said, it would moreso apply to more overweight subjects, but in subjects who only have a few pounds of fat to lose, casein seems to be a good way to maintain strength.

[Jkurz1]

Originally Posted by ConanHC

Hey,

I'm making a preparation diet plan for my cut cycle and I'm basing it on this: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/hugo29.htm

Now, this article is very strict, but it does not talk about dairy on a cut, like ff milk, cc and yogurt.

It is worthwhile? if not, why?

thanks.

if you are wserious about cutting.....like want to be contest ready......drop the dairy, frut, all simple sugars, pop, cheats, etc.....and also if you are really serious, bread goes too along with any whey or protein shakes...thats just what my trainer had me on//

[Captain Sagara]

Originally Posted by Jkurz1

if you are wserious about cutting.....like want to be contest ready......drop the dairy, frut, all simple sugars, pop, cheats, etc.....and also if you are really serious, bread goes too along with any whey or protein shakes...thats just what my trainer had me on//

x2..................

[cbs]

Originally Posted by Jkurz1

if you are wserious about cutting.....like want to be contest ready......drop the dairy, frut, all simple sugars, pop, cheats, etc.....and also if you are really serious, bread goes too along with any whey or protein shakes...thats just what my trainer had me on//

so, what did your trainer have you on? Darn..no whey or protein shakes either???

[Shmack]

Originally Posted by Jkurz1

if you are wserious about cutting.....like want to be contest ready......drop the dairy, frut, all simple sugars, pop, cheats, etc.....and also if you are really serious, bread goes too along with any whey or protein shakes...thats just what my trainer had me on//

why is bread bad vs. any other complex carb? also why no protein shake???

[Stevo1313]

I drink skim milk on cuts, but only in the morning with my oatmeal, dairy over time has shown to help with fat loss

[RiseOfTheTyrant]

Originally Posted by Jkurz1

if you are wserious about cutting.....like want to be contest ready......drop the dairy, frut, all simple sugars, pop, cheats, etc.....and also if you are really serious, bread goes too along with any whey or protein shakes...thats just what my trainer had me on//

haha so what did you eat??

[Jkurz1]

Originally Posted by RiseOfTheTyrant

haha so what did you eat??

haha? You ever been 5%?

[strawser9]

If it wasn't for milk, i wouldn't be able to drink my oats.

[2 D]

Originally Posted by Jkurz1

haha? You ever been 5%?

Did you find that dropping the whey shakes helped you lean out a noticable amount, or just that dropping them made that extra little difference?

I wasn't on whey for a long time, then cut and I looked more defined and lean than I ever had, I was also not eating dairy except the occasional container of yogurt (usually danon light 'n fit).

[Jkurz1]

Originally Posted by 2 D

Did you find that dropping the whey shakes helped you lean out a noticable amount, or just that dropping them made that extra little difference?

I wasn't on whey for a long time, then cut and I looked more defined and lean than I ever had, I was also not eating dairy except the occasional container of yogurt (usually danon light 'n fit).

fact is, no one knows whats in those shakes........not fda approved, tis why he wouldnt let me take them....all whole meals

[rainieravesouth]

youll gain 100 lbs if you eat dairy on a cut.



dude, seriously, just make sure its lowfat/nonfat dairy items and fit it into your macros. youll be all good. dont worry about the sugar in milk, etc.

[Jkurz1]

Originally Posted by strawser9

If it wasn't for milk, i wouldn't be able to drink my oats.

doubt it...and if so, nix the oats

[rainieravesouth]

Originally Posted by Jkurz1

if you are wserious about cutting.....like want to be contest ready......drop the dairy, frut, all simple sugars, pop, cheats, etc.....and also if you are really serious, bread goes too along with any whey or protein shakes...thats just what my trainer had me on//

what if you're not in a competition? what if youre just a normal person trying to be fit? not everyone on here it trying to compete

[Jkurz1]

Originally Posted by rainieravesouth

what if you're not in a competition? what if youre just a normal person trying to be fit? not everyone on here it trying to compete

then its simple......make your cals in less than your cal out......not rocket science

[Captain Sagara]

Originally Posted by Jkurz1

fact is, no one knows whats in those shakes........not fda approved, tis why he wouldnt let me take them....all whole meals

Only cut the shakes 3 days out,also i use isolated meaning no lactose at all...

[RiseOfTheTyrant]

Originally Posted by Jkurz1

haha? You ever been 5%?

No I have not. I was curious what your diet was like then

[rainieravesouth]

Originally Posted by Jkurz1

then its simple......make your cals in less than your cal out......not rocket science

so if i ate 2200 cals worth of twinkies, id be good?

[Jkurz1]

Originally Posted by rainieravesouth

so if i ate 2200 cals worth of twinkies, id be good?

dont waste my time.....im done with you.....