Should the draft be reinstated?[serious]

[FiremanSteve]

It is complicated. What are you going to do about the gay issue if you reinstate the draft, making military service compulsory? I am gay, served from 1982-1985 and was dealing with my sexual orientation all during that time. I served honorably here and abroad. I made it out alive and with an AAM and ARCOM. What do you tell a guy that happens to be gay that is told he cannot serve right now but then the draft is reinstated?

I think a lot of men will be kissing their recruiters if you reinstate the draft. Proving that they are honestly queer will be the true test. I guess it would have to go to the extreme of checking peckers to see whom is sexually aroused while looking at gay porn. Insert facetiousness and sarcasm.

[TJ_Strong]

Fak no.

[nutsy54]

Originally Posted by Compoundlift83

And the law be reinstated if your not in college and your between the age of 18-25?Horrible idea?Get more kids to stay in school?I'm not saying I want this but opinions please.

As someone who is in the military: Hell No!

I have no desire to trust my life with someone who's being forced to stand next to me. Whether that's standing guard on the battlefield or managing the complex systems on a submarine.


As for the "make Congress send their own kids to war" theory, that's also a load of crap. There are plenty of Senators and Representatives who've had children and other close relatives in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[nutsy54]

Originally Posted by MusclesMarinara

I think military service should be mandatory for everyone. Just my opinion...

Originally Posted by Dairiel

i tentatively agree with this.
if not the military i think there should be some required state service
but i am open for convincing

So. . . Which branch of the military did you guys serve in? (Just wondering if your actions match your words. . .)

[q-theman]

Here is some info on how the draft works in the US:

http://people.howstuffworks.com/us-draft.htm

How to beat it:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_To_...he_Draft_Board

Back History:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscri..._United_States

I would fall into the Conscientious objector catagory. I believe that we should not be policing the world. If we start with Iran, then why not North Korea, then why not China, so on and so forth. If we were directly attacked by said country, I would gladly take up arms voluntarily and buy alot of life insurance for my family before I was sent out.

However, after researching, it is darn near impossible to qualify for the Conscientious objector status:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objection

The only way I would support a draft if there was NO EXCLUSIONS. If I'm there, I had better see some multi-million dollar athletes, actors/actresses, PhD canididates, Senators sons/daughters, and CEO's fighting beside me.

What about the overweight people? Should they be forced to drop weight and be conscripted as well? It would seem that only the ones health enough would be sent off to die, while the rich, famous, unhealthy, or those with "Family Connections" get to stay behind.

Just my $0.02


Still feel the same about this issue.

[thepointman]

I think everyone who wants a draft should also be required to have gay sex (they would be the catchers of course). It'd do them so good to see that maybe you should mind your own business and stop trying to force their ideals onto other people.

[HitItHard]

i guarantee you, if the draft was reinstated, paul would become president

[Nagalfar]

Originally Posted by q-theman

I would fall into the Conscientious objector catagory. I believe that we should not be policing the world. If we start with Iran, then why not North Korea, then why not China, so on and so forth. If we were directly attacked by said country, I would gladly take up arms voluntarily and buy alot of life insurance for my family before I was sent out.

What was 9/11? a kiss? and if what you say is true, then why are you not in uniform in Afghanistan?

[MantisShrimp]

Realistically, if defense was about protecting against real attacks on the homeland, I would say yes. But when most wars are fought to increase globalist profits, it's not really consistent with the concept of liberty, it's more like serfdom.

[Nagalfar]

Originally Posted by thepointman

I think everyone who wants a draft should also be required to have gay sex (they would be the catchers of course). It'd do them so good to see that maybe you should mind your own business and stop trying to force their ideals onto other people.

You mean like your trying to force yourself on other men because they dont think like you... get a clue, not to mention the simple fact.. dont let common sense stop you from trying.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by HoosierBoy

Doesn't say much for our nation's young men. In the 40's we won a war with draftees.

Personally, I wish I were drafted. Then I could stop feeling like a puss for not volunteering.

You'd be the minority.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by dumac

i hope it is i have flat feet. i'm willing to fight and die for my country if its over our safety like something in ww2. this war isn't worth anyone dying.

You don't understand war and people dying then. It's not about the "war" it's about the people. No one really gives a **** who we're fighting or where we're going, it's about sacrificing for the guys you're with. Regardless of whether you would have signed up or not, people are still going to be fighting or dying and it's about being there for those people regardless of the administration, the enemy or the war itself.

[TheJuicedchase]

Originally Posted by HoosierBoy

Nothing is stopping me, other than being a pussy.

Damn....you seriously are a pussy. I mean seriously....I can't believe you even said this.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by Muscle69camaro

not for this B.S. war!

I forgot, was it the hunt for Osama bin Laden... or the war on "terror".... or oh yeah... operation Iraqi freedom (makes me laugh the most.) more like war on OIL.

why dont they just call it "George W. bush's revenge on saddam and Iraq because Saddam tried to assasinate his daddy a few years back."

I have SEVEN close friends who are marines, and 3 of them are in Iraq RIGHT NOW. none of them support the war, and they tell me the spend more time shooting Iraqi dogs than they do "terrorists"

BTW... wheres Bin Laden?

Yeah......with all that oil we're getting from Iraq. /sarcasm

[guest89]

No. Wars aren't fought the same now as 40 or 50 years ago. We don't need a draft. We rely on the few highly motivated, highly trained men, with the latest technological equipment and weapons.


To be honest if I had to go to war I'd rather be with people who volunteered to go instead of people who were forced to go and really really didn't want to be there.

Originally Posted by US_Ranger

Yeah......with all that oil we're getting from Iraq. /sarcasm

haha.

I go to school with a guy in the Marines who was in charge of shipping/receiving/inventory type of thing in Iraq. According to him we ship thousands upon thousands of gallons of oil from the U.S. to Iraq. A few anti war "OMG WE WANT TEH OIL!!!1" people didn't like his stories.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by q-theman

Here is some info on how the draft works in the US:

http://people.howstuffworks.com/us-draft.htm

How to beat it:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_To_...he_Draft_Board

Back History:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscri..._United_States

I would fall into the Conscientious objector catagory. I believe that we should not be policing the world. If we start with Iran, then why not North Korea, then why not China, so on and so forth. If we were directly attacked by said country, I would gladly take up arms voluntarily and buy alot of life insurance for my family before I was sent out.

However, after researching, it is darn near impossible to qualify for the Conscientious objector status:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objection

The only way I would support a draft if there was NO EXCLUSIONS. If I'm there, I had better see some multi-million dollar athletes, actors/actresses, PhD canididates, Senators sons/daughters, and CEO's fighting beside me.

What about the overweight people? Should they be forced to drop weight and be conscripted as well? It would seem that only the ones health enough would be sent off to die, while the rich, famous, unhealthy, or those with "Family Connections" get to stay behind.

Just my $0.02


Still feel the same about this issue.

I don't think obesity was really a problem in the draft before. In fact, it wasn't really a problem until the 80's and self absorbed consumerism took over our country.

[joeflex73]

WW2 was much different. We're fighting a war on "terror". Its not even a person or country, its an idea, something that will exist, even if we were to somehow succeed in Iraq.

**** the draft.

[Nagalfar]

Originally Posted by joeflex73

WW2 was much different. We're fighting a war on "terror". Its not even a person or country, its an idea, something that will exist, even if we were to somehow succeed in Iraq.

**** the draft.

Interesting how that "idea" as you put it can fly, set IEDs, blow up buses or classrooms filled with kids.. Hitler had a ideal.. he called his form of Terrorism, Nazi Germany, and it too was a ideal, more than a few other people bought into it who were not part of Nazi Germany.. yet we beat those as well.. maybe there is a lesson there somewhere.. nahhh never mind, you would never get it.

[The Experiment]

I'll be going to the military after I graduate so whether there will be a draft or not is irrelevant to me personally.

I would like to see one set up. It would be very interesting to see just how many chickenhawks turn into pacifists.

[Nagalfar]

Originally Posted by The Experiment

I'll be going to the military after I graduate so whether there will be a draft or not is irrelevant to me personally.

I would like to see one set up. It would be very interesting to see just how many chickenhawks turn into pacifists.

It is amazing the difference between a man.. and the boys he is surrounded by... takes a man to step up, and a boy to make excuses.

Best of Luck Experiment..

[HoosierBoy]

Originally Posted by TheJuicedchase

Damn....you seriously are a pussy. I mean seriously....I can't believe you even said this.

I know. I guess I'm just so dug in to my comfortable lifestyle. Maybe some day I'll grow a pair.

Note that I am NOT saying that everyone who doesn't enlist is a coward, but personally, I can't think of a good reason why I haven't enlisted.

[joeflex73]

Originally Posted by Nagalfar

Interesting how that "idea" as you put it can fly, set IEDs, blow up buses or classrooms filled with kids.. Hitler had a ideal.. he called his form of Terrorism, Nazi Germany, and it too was a ideal, more than a few other people bought into it who were not part of Nazi Germany.. yet we beat those as well.. maybe there is a lesson there somewhere.. nahhh never mind, you would never get it.

Here's a good question for you though, will winning in Iraq stop terror?

Nazi Germany was a concrete enemy, one you could point to and say "them over there". Not a general word. Sure they had their ideals and damn right they were terrorists. This is different, completely different. We going to take on the entire middle east? Every civilian we kill creates 1 terrorist, or at least 1 person who has a reason for revenge. Maybe there is a lesson there somewhere...Nah...never mind...you would never get it.

[Nagalfar]

Originally Posted by joeflex73

Here's a good question for you though, will winning in Iraq stop terror?

Nazi Germany was a concrete enemy, one you could point to and say "them over there". Not a general word. Sure they had their ideals and damn right they were terrorists. This is different, completely different. We going to take on the entire middle east? Every civilian we kill creates 1 terrorist, or at least 1 person who has a reason for revenge. Maybe there is a lesson there somewhere...Nah...never mind...you would never get it.

That is the perception, but that is not the way it is.. we are fighting Jihadists, not Islam, there is a HUGE difference.. ideas can be fought against and defeated, one good example is communism, who in their right mind, having had both Freedom and Communism would choose the later? Jihadists are spreading their love with the business end of a gun, left unchecked, most nations have no way of being able to defeat them, the Philippines is proof of that.. so when is enough, enough? we are dealing with a mentality that is clearly radical and entrenched.. you cant change their minds, you cant change their motives, they believe that dying fighting against those who are not in their belief system will give them the ultimate reward.. you cant bargain with them, you have a choice, live as they demand, let them kill you if you dont live as instructed, or kill them before they get the chance to kill you, if you think you can leave them alone and they will leave you alone.. look to the increasing number of nations now having terrorist problems with Jihadists, Africa is another good example, S. America is now seeing Jihadists arriving ... when and what should we do?

[dingdongdan]

I'm sure most soldiers would rather have their backs watched by a volunteer, someone that CHOSE that life, rather than a conscript, someone who was forced.

Volunteers make better soldiers..

[Callaar21]

Originally Posted by dingdongdan

I'm sure most soldiers would rather have their backs watched by a volunteer, someone that CHOSE that life, rather than a conscript, someone who was forced.

Volunteers make better soldiers..

Would they mix the two in combat positions or keep them seperate?

[Ibanez]

ideas can be fought against and defeated, one good example is communism, who in their right mind, having had both Freedom and Communism would choose the later?

Eh, Communism really destroyed itself. As much as republicans love to believe that Reagan lowered his pants and swung his steel balls against the Berlin wall and knocked it down and destroyed the Soviet Union, there were much more fundamental changes in the government that allowed the collapse of the USSR.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by HoosierBoy

I know. I guess I'm just so dug in to my comfortable lifestyle. Maybe some day I'll grow a pair.

Note that I am NOT saying that everyone who doesn't enlist is a coward, but personally, I can't think of a good reason why I haven't enlisted.

Eh, don't be too hard on yourself. Also, you're still young. One of my closest friends from ranger bat was 30 when he joined. It was a little harder on his joints but he managed quite well.

[US_Ranger]

Originally Posted by Callaar21

Would they mix the two in combat positions or keep them seperate?

When you join as a draftee it's more along the lines of "needs of the army" instead of choosing where you serve. A lot of times they give options though and if you have a particular skill (say computers) you'll end up a field using that as opposed to somewhere where you're going to get someone killed. They don't try and **** everyone over but if a draft is going, it's usually because you need people carrying a rifle and a pack so you're going to see more people end up in that job.

[jjf1988]

Originally Posted by Muscle69camaro

not for this B.S. war!

I forgot, was it the hunt for Osama bin Laden... or the war on "terror".... or oh yeah... operation Iraqi freedom (makes me laugh the most.) more like war on OIL.

why dont they just call it "George W. bush's revenge on saddam and Iraq because Saddam tried to assasinate his daddy a few years back."

I have SEVEN close friends who are marines, and 3 of them are in Iraq RIGHT NOW. none of them support the war, and they tell me the spend more time shooting Iraqi dogs than they do "terrorists"

BTW... wheres Bin Laden?

Yeah, you're right...Saddam didnt need to be removed from power or anything...he just tested out lethal gases on his people and tortured them among other ****...good call

[Nagalfar]

Originally Posted by Ibanez

Eh, Communism really destroyed itself. As much as republicans love to believe that Reagan lowered his pants and swung his steel balls against the Berlin wall and knocked it down and destroyed the Soviet Union, there were much more fundamental changes in the government that allowed the collapse of the USSR.

Those changes were a result of economic failure.. that economic failure was echoed by Gorbachev in his book, he clearly said, the U.S. production of new technologies and military hardware forced the Soviets to try and keep up.. we spent them into a hole it was as simple as that...

Reagan did have a set of Steel Balls.. he proved it more than once.