DB Flies safe for shoulders?

Dark_MadMax · 01-25-2008, 10:23 PM

Subj? Asking because I tried flies to incorporate flies for first time this wednesday (instead of decline BP) and my shoulders still hurt like a b!tch - it is actually first time I have serious shoulder pain not during workout

JR818 · 01-25-2008, 10:29 PM

I had the same problem when I first started, it felt like I tore something in my shoulder the first time I did flies. Try lowering the weight by 5 pounds or so, and try it again. That solved the problem for me anyway. And try to keep a fairly natural range of motion on the exercise, as in don't extend your arms too far past parallel to the ground if you feel that it stretches your shoulder too much.

Big Arm Big Pay · 01-25-2008, 10:34 PM

u probably doing them wrong just make sure you keep your arms slightly bent when you go out and then act like your hugging a fat bitch when you bring them up

Dark_MadMax · 01-25-2008, 10:45 PM

Yeah I might have kept my arms way too straight and bringing it lower than I should . But question mainly are flies considered heavy shoulder loading exercise? - I wanted to eliminate anything that loads shoulders ( I work them already overtime) and concentrates on pecs instead.

bigredelts · 01-25-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_MadMax

Yeah I might have kept my arms way too straight and bringing it lower than I should . But question mainly are flies considered heavy shoulder loading exercise? - I wanted to eliminate anything that loads shoulders ( I work them already overtime) and concentrates on pecs instead.

for sure, i usually do these supersetted with incline db press then flat flies with flat db bench. if you do them with limited shoulder help, your chest ignites and it burnsssssss.....before i did them this way i used to do incline flies with 45s and 50s and thought i was cool, then i found this new way to do them and my chest explodes when i use 30s

wildphucker · 01-26-2008, 12:15 AM

I now use a way that Charles Glass advocates. You have a supinated grip(imagine lockout on a reverse grip DB bench) and bring them down with no bend in the elbows. I practically have to halve the weight I use but it's near impossible to cheat and my chest squeals in pain from it.

spot_skater · 01-26-2008, 12:27 AM

I get a serious pain in my right shoulder doing heavy DB fly's, too. I can't go above 35 lbs, and 30 even hurts. Barbell bench does it to me, too.

I just do them as heavy as I can and with as many reps as it takes to get it burning, then jump on the cable crossover and do a few different sets. The cable crossover doesn't hurt me at all.

ITHURTZ · 01-26-2008, 02:13 AM

My shoulders are notorious for giving me problems. I have yet to have a shoulder problem and I do flies with 70lb dumbells. My guess is your either flying to hi or to low. I know if I do to high ( flying near my face) my shoulders hurt.

Cable rows give me shoulder problems though..

beginner84 · 01-26-2008, 02:16 AM

i can literally feel the bone grind in my shoulder joint doing flies, aint no good !

killerbee_zor · 01-26-2008, 02:21 AM

do atrainer flyes!

Shylock · 01-26-2008, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark_MadMax

Subj? Asking because I tried flies to incorporate flies for first time this wednesday (instead of decline BP) and my shoulders still hurt like a b!tch - it is actually first time I have serious shoulder pain not during workout

DONT DO THEM iF TI HURTS...I USED TO DO THEM AND HAD TO HAVE SURGERY. STAY WAY FROM THIS HORRIBLE EXERCISE!

ITHURTZ · 01-26-2008, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Shylock

DONT DO THEM iF TI HURTS...I USED TO DO THEM AND HAD TO HAVE SURGERY. STAY WAY FROM THIS HORRIBLE EXERCISE!

Did someone call me?

lajking · 01-26-2008, 07:53 AM

Charles Glass "Safe Delts Training" in the "Getting Cut with Glass" series is very good.

I generally think pushing exercises (eg military press) are harder on the shoulders than pulling, but depending on your specific areas of pain you might want to check with your doctor first to determine which exercises to avoid.

Tyciol · 01-26-2008, 10:13 AM

Too much weight can be bad for the shoulders or any body part in any movement, but no, flies don't inherantly damage you.

DuracellBunny · 01-26-2008, 11:44 AM

As with any exercise it will vary with the individual; but they are not inherently dangerous.

I can touch the floor with the DBs on every rep when doing flat flies because my shoulder flexibility is high; but there will be people who can't even hit horizontal without pain.

Any exercise that causes a stretch will hurt the first time; keep doing them but don't go too mad and let your body adjust.

Electricjunkie · 01-26-2008, 12:15 PM

I'm not an expert at this stuff or anything... I've only been working out for 7 weeks now... but I started doing flyes about 4 weeks ago, and for the first 2 weeks, my shoulders were killing me from the flyes. On my 3rd week of doing flyes, I had an epitome, and I concentrated on contracting my pecs only, with a little lighter weight than i was using previously (-10 lbs) and the weights flew up everytime i contracted my pecs, and the shoulder pain ceased.

So try concentrating on the muscles you want to use, and use light weight to get it right. If your ego is gonna hurt cause you are using a smaller weight, try it at home on the bench.

pete_a22 · 01-26-2008, 03:16 PM

yuuup.... If your shoulders hurt your form is wrong and you are using too much weight.

Grab sum 15's and work on your form, with a simple twist of your palms inward(facing u) your elbows should be almost touching, and keeping that motion u actually change it into a pec exerice, not a shoulder workout.

You won't be able to do nearly as much weight as before because your not cheating by using you shoulders this way.