DiamondDelts, I'm calling you out!

[BurritoMan]

Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

So then retraction is just pulling them back? In that case the lats, traps, and rhomboids all retract the scapulae, but the lats depress them as well. Right?

Check this out, it has the motions and the list of muscles that depress and retract the scapulae:

http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Sc...ml#anchor71475

[stealth_swimmer]

Originally Posted by masfrijoles

Check this out, it has the motions and the list of muscles that depress and retract the scapulae:

http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Sc...ml#anchor71475

thx, I didn't know the rhomboids helped bring the shoulder blades down as well. Cool.


Still, some of that stuff you gotta take with a grain of salt. Like some muscles are so minimally involved in certain movements that you can essentially say that they don't get worked. Like in pullups, the chest is activated a little...but we all know that you're not gonna get thick pecs from only doing pullups and never working the chest, lol.

[hjayss]

Nice job SS.....I usually do them like that as well but I like to hold that last one and do a couple with just my lats to get a little extra iso work on them..Good job bro..You come a long way...There is no such thing as can't, only won't. If you're qualified, all it takes is a burning desire to accomplish, to make a change. Go forward, go backward. Whatever it takes! - Jan Ashford Quote

[stealth_swimmer]

Originally Posted by hjayss

Nice job SS.....I usually do them like that as well but I like to hold that last one and do a couple with just my lats to get a little extra iso work on them..Good job bro..You come a long way...There is no such thing as can't, only won't. If you're qualified, all it takes is a burning desire to accomplish, to make a change. Go forward, go backward. Whatever it takes! - Jan Ashford Quote

thx

[entropy1]

2 things:
- do you think before you talk "when i do my lat pulls downs i rotate my biceps, my arms to my biceps. Face." - wtf?
- are people scared of you? there's no one else in that entire gym, or are they just working out in a way i cant detect

[Striver]

Originally Posted by entropy1

- are people scared of you? there's no one else in that entire gym, or are they just working out in a way i cant detect

LMAO.

You actually got some good size going on there SS, cut down a bit!!!!!

[SiKkBaSs]

Originally Posted by ChingChang

I just ejaculated in a way you can't detect. (no homo)

Asskiller in a way you can't detect. Where is DD??????????????

[mch243]

Originally Posted by jmonty

fine, that leaves more for me.

Maybe I'll start incorporating a few sets into my workout I hear they make great "finishers" haha. But in all seriousness I think if I had to pick it would be seated cable rows there very effective if you go heavy

[gecko2424]

Originally Posted by mAssholio

lol wut

5 star post

[BladeRun]

For what it's worth...I use the exact same form with the exception of a slightly wider grip. I feel it much more than a 100% verticle pull.

[gecko2424]

Originally Posted by Kalt

S.S's results speak for themselves. If you refuse to acknowledge how far he's come then it only betrays your ignorance.

S.S, awesome form on that lat pulldown. Until the scientific community has come to a conclusion of fact on all this local generalization mess, don't let people put you down over it. Lats are lats.

Kalt, man, what's your deal?

Not to be too critical, and I hate saying it, but BABP has a point. According to his bodyspace: http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/stealth_swimmer/ S.S has lost 4 lbs since 2006, going from 235 to 231. Then posts a video of a 40lb high row.

Regardless of form, etc, other than a haircut, shave and a little more chest, he's about the same since he started. Instead of calling out DD with a video of him doing light pulldowns in a purple blouse, maybe he should be following the countless things he's learned here and then showing how they worked.

[Marshall1980]

Got to agree with bladerun use wider grip.

[Hard Drive]

I really wish I had a decent gym in my apartment, or even a gym with the basics.

Gecko, Stealth swimmer has put on quite a bit of muscle, it's pretty obvious to see he's a big guy underneath the hideout. A lot of people on these forums have a biased against him for some strange reason, but he's about 2 years from surpassing most posters on these forums. Of course, I can always eat my words, but I'm putting my faith in the dude.

[Kiknskreem]

Originally Posted by Kalt

IGecko, Stealth swimmer has put on quite a bit of muscle, it's pretty obvious to see he's a big guy underneath the hideout. A lot of people on these forums have a biased against him for some strange reason, but he's about 2 years from surpassing most posters on these forums. Of course, I can always eat my words, but I'm putting my faith in the dude.

If he knew what he was doing or was "muscular" he wouldn't be benching 215 @ 230 pounds however long into training, rowing 145 pounds, and OH pressing 125.

He just spouts out **** that he has heard with no real knowledge, understanding, or experience.

[Hard Drive]

Originally Posted by Kiknskreem

If he knew what he was doing or was "muscular" he wouldn't be benching 215 @ 230 pounds however long into training, rowing 145 pounds, and OH pressing 125.

He just spouts out **** that he has heard with no real knowledge, understanding, or experience.

Whatever man, time will tell. Bodybuilding isn't about putting up big weights, and maybe S.S knows that, or just doesn't care about his friggin stats.

Stealth Swimmer, I'll be pissed as f*ck if you're make me eat my words.

[Kiknskreem]

Originally Posted by Kalt

Bodybuilding isn't about putting up big weights, and maybe S.S knows that, or just doesn't care about his friggin stats.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!

That would be an ok response if his numbers were something even approaching reasonable.

[ChingChang]

stealth_swimmer is ripped in a way you can't detect.

[EL FUERTE_old]

If he cuts down all that fat, he will look like Ronnie..

[Hard Drive]

Originally Posted by Kiknskreem

GIVE ME A BREAK!!

That would be an ok response if his numbers were something even approaching reasonable.

Go get a break man, I'm getting pretty damned sick of how close minded you can be on these forums. As intelligent and knowledgeable as you are, you have no call to put S.S down like that, especially when several of us are noticing some lean mass on him.

[Drewson]

i personally wasn't putting the guy down

i just have an aversion to fat guy muscle

i did notice some size on him, and he would probably look 50x better with a cut cycle

i think you are confusing curiousity with slamming the guy

[stealth_swimmer]

Originally Posted by entropy1

2 things:
- do you think before you talk "when i do my lat pulls downs i rotate my biceps, my arms to my biceps. Face." - wtf?
- are people scared of you? there's no one else in that entire gym, or are they just working out in a way i cant detect

Like I said, i was having a very hard time thinking straight cus I was trying to catch my breath since this was at the end of the workout. My mind is always foggy at the end of a workout.

I was working out late at night at my apartment. That's why very few people were there.

Originally Posted by SunilBassi

Asskiller in a way you can't detect. Where is DD??????????????

???


Oh and DD PM'd me.

Originally Posted by Kiknskreem

If he knew what he was doing or was "muscular" he wouldn't be benching 215 @ 230 pounds however long into training, rowing 145 pounds, and OH pressing 125.

He just spouts out **** that he has heard with no real knowledge, understanding, or experience.

Why would I want to bench a lot? All that does is aggrivate my shoulders, especially my right rotator cuff, and also makes my elbows hurt.

I do incline first anyways, and then whatever weight I used on incline is what I use on flat bench. For size, if I were to go right now, I'd use 185 on incline and then 185 on flat bench. I COULD start with flat bench and use 235 but why would I WANT to? That'll just overdevelop the lower chest anyways and is counterproductive.

Originally Posted by Kalt

Whatever man, time will tell. Bodybuilding isn't about putting up big weights, and maybe S.S knows that, or just doesn't care about his friggin stats.

Stealth Swimmer, I'll be pissed as f*ck if you're make me eat my words.

lol wut?

Originally Posted by EL FUERTE

If he cuts down all that fat, he will look like Ronnie..

No, I don't have thick erectors cus I haven't done deads in a while and am still working them into my routine.

And my legs are still too small, but I'm working hard to bring them up.

Originally Posted by Drewson

i personally wasn't putting the guy down

i just have an aversion to fat guy muscle

i did notice some size on him, and he would probably look 50x better with a cut cycle

i think you are confusing curiousity with slamming the guy

thx. And what do you mean by "fat guy muscle"? yeah I'm fat...that's the whole reason why I started working out. Are you saying that fat people should just quit and never work out?

Oh, and I am currently cutting.

[Hard Drive]

You tell em Stealth Swimmer!

[SiKkBaSs]

Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

???


Oh and DD PM'd me.

So what exactly did you say before displaying your cephalic vein in that shot??

[Kiknskreem]

Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

Why would I want to bench a lot? All that does is aggrivate my shoulders, especially my right rotator cuff, and also makes my elbows hurt.

My point is that your level of development is basically that of a novice/untrained person.

You've been going at it how long.... two years at least based on your bodyspace? Not much to show for it, eh? Don't give me the "i eat a lot"... because if you ate a lot and your training was in line, you'd probably be a fair deal more muscular and sure as sh*t a lot stronger than you are.

Anyway, I wish you the best... I hope all your training desires and fantasies come true. I hope you get Tom Platz's legs, Ronnie's Biceps, and Dorian's back.

Kalt made some comments in favor of your experience and knowledge, and I simply disagree with him.

[stealth_swimmer]

Originally Posted by SunilBassi

So what exactly did you say before displaying your cephalic vein in that shot??

Originally Posted by Kiknskreem

My point is that your level of development is basically that of a novice/untrained person.

You've been going at it how long.... two years at least based on your bodyspace? Not much to show for it, eh? Don't give me the "i eat a lot"... because if you ate a lot and your training was in line, you'd probably be a fair deal more muscular and sure as sh*t a lot stronger than you are.

Anyway, I wish you the best... I hope all your training desires and fantasies come true. I hope you get Tom Platz's legs, Ronnie's Biceps, and Dorian's back.

Kalt made some comments in favor of your experience and knowledge, and I simply disagree with him.

Thx, but I don't like the way Ron's biceps look

Anyways, I wouldn't say I have an "untrained" level of development(except for maybe in my legs,lol, cus the first year I trained I hardly touched legs cus I was still learning how to work out), just that level of strength, which is totally different.


And why do you keep on saying that if my training was in line that I'd be stronger? I don't train for strength. What don't you understand about that?

[Kiknskreem]

Originally Posted by stealth_swimmer

And why do you keep on saying that if my training was in line that I'd be stronger? I don't train for strength. What don't you understand about that?

Ok... well if as a bodybuilder you aren't concerned about progressing on your lifts beyond what they are... have fun with that.

I'm pretty sure most BB'ers aspire to press more than half their bodyweight.... even if they don't they will be able to because of the strength gains that are inherently tied to any significant degree of muscular development.

Strength and hypertrophy are not some oddball of unrelated entities. Training for optimal levels of each is not the same thing, but to be claiming "whoa buddy, I train for aesthetics" when none of your core lifts are even at your bodyweight is kinda ridiculous. As if any significant degree of hypertrophy at your level of development is not going to be accompanied by a significant increase in strength.

[Hard Drive]

Originally Posted by Kiknskreem

As if any significant degree of hypertrophy at your level of development is not going to be accompanied by a significant increase in strength.

If lifting big weights made people big, then why are there lower weight classes in powerlifting?
I know people can train for size by training both strength and size, or they can train only for size, with minimal gains in strength.

If S.S can train purely for size, then kudos for him, I can't train some of my bodyparts without lifting heavy weights. And that's another thing, I eat like a horse and lift like a monster and even before I was on hormones I wasn't showing remakable gains as far as size, despite stacks, well over 3000 calories a day, and pretty simple heavy lifting that could best be summarized as a 5x5 system, sometimes 8 and sometimes 3.

[Kiknskreem]

Originally Posted by Kalt

If lifting big weights made people big, then why are there lower weight classes in powerlifting?

Lol. Not even worth a response.

Originally Posted by Kalt

I know people can train for size by training both strength and size, or they can train only for size, with minimal gains in strength.

Yea... because we're REALLY talking about a specialization in max strength here.... please.

The guy is as strong as a person who doesn't train... what progressive variables could he be working with... decreasing his rest times down to zero? Setting volume PRs with 95 pounds? Occlusion training?

If he's not going to make a serious invenstment into putting weight on the bar, he's just wasting his time.

[stealth_swimmer]

Originally Posted by Kiknskreem

Ok... well if as a bodybuilder you aren't concerned about progressing on your lifts beyond what they are... have fun with that.

I'm pretty sure most BB'ers aspire to press more than half their bodyweight.... even if they don't they will be able to because of the strength gains that are inherently tied to any significant degree of muscular development.

Strength and hypertrophy are not some oddball of unrelated entities. Training for optimal levels of each is not the same thing, but to be claiming "whoa buddy, I train for aesthetics" when none of your core lifts are even at your bodyweight is kinda ridiculous. As if any significant degree of hypertrophy at your level of development is not going to be accompanied by a significant increase in strength.

I add reps here and there on exercises, and weight here and there on exercises. Like for bench, I went up from 175 to 205 and then I stopped cus my incline bench was terrible and i needed more upper chest. So now I just work on incline and let my bench come up naturally, which is now a 1RM of 250, but I only use 185 as my working weight on it.

For BB curls, I was curling 80 pounds for 4 solid reps but my DB curls needed some more so I been working on that. I could curl 40s for about 4 reps, but instead I choose to use better form and use 20s or 25s, and the contraction is better as well.

And for delts, I haven't focused too much on presses lately cus my anterior delts were WAY ahead of the medial and rear delts. SO I brought up my medial delts some with mainly laterals, and now I'm working on the rear delts.

I switch up to exercises I haven't done in a while that work my weak points and such and I'll progress in those exercises. Like I brought my BB curl up from 115 to 155 (6RM or so) so now I've been working on DB rows (both arms at the same time). And instead of lat pulldowns, I went to wide grip lat pulldowns to work the teres more.

Progression has occurred a little bit in weight and reps, and since I'm cutting right now and not focused so much on weight, I like to do descending sets with minimal rest, and yes sometimes I do the next set right away. And I have increased volume to make up for less weight.

And even though it's less weight, I still use high intensity and push close to failure, if not totally to it.

[nads786]

Originally Posted by Kiknskreem

Ok... well if as a bodybuilder you aren't concerned about progressing on your lifts beyond what they are... have fun with that.

I'm pretty sure most BB'ers aspire to press more than half their bodyweight.... even if they don't they will be able to because of the strength gains that are inherently tied to any significant degree of muscular development.

Strength and hypertrophy are not some oddball of unrelated entities. Training for optimal levels of each is not the same thing, but to be claiming "whoa buddy, I train for aesthetics" when none of your core lifts are even at your bodyweight is kinda ridiculous. As if any significant degree of hypertrophy at your level of development is not going to be accompanied by a significant increase in strength.

why do you give bodybuilding advice, when you clearly are not one? there is a powerlifting section for you



just sayin...