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Old 01-07-2008, 06:54 AM   #31
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Weights lifted=muscle you have is bs. I agree that if you have tons of muscle like Ronnie Coleman has, you are in no way weak, but lifting a ton of weight doesn't mean you will have the muscle mass or development of a bodybuilder. Just look at a powerlifter for that.


I definately see where you are coming from, but I built a massive chest by using chest specialization and pretty good size lats and back from deadlifting with other specialization routines. But my arms have always lagged in terms of width. Some things maybe just genetic, but I agree that deadlifts and squats are needed to build a good base, but benchpress and some other compound movements are not necessary.
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Old 01-07-2008, 08:14 AM   #32
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This is interresting. I have found on my "wanna **** my pants and die" leg routine days, my entired body was fatigued
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Old 01-07-2008, 10:26 AM   #33
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there are articles and then there is real life experience

look around the gym, who the F is doing this crap?

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Very much a good article. I used it as a kid growing up.
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Quote- Don?t start thinking about 17? arms, or even 16? arms so long as your bodyweight is 130, 140, 150, 160, or even 170 pounds.

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I had to comment on this, interesting and I see what he?s getting at but I managed to get my arms to 17? inch (cold) at a body weight of around 160 pounds, Just from isolated arm work.
This was some years ago, before I ever did squatting or much heavy stuff. Maybe if I had done this they might well be 20? by now, who knows!
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Awesome. Thanks for posting this.
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Great article, truly. This inspired me to work even harder on deadlift and squats.
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I like this post. It speaks a lot of sense, and i'd like to give it a try. Just its kind of scary leaving the normal training split, to something which puts deads, squats and rows as the main thing. Even so I might give it a go! So after reading this ^^ what do you think would be a good weekly split using this mentality?

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wow, great post. Speaks a lot of sense. Really wanna give this sorta thing a try. I imagine if a higher percentage of your body weight is muscle, then you would be in a higher anabolic state, i'm not sure where I read that. But it makes sense with this article, wacking more muscle on your back, hips and thighs, will make it easier for you to get gains on the smaller muscle groups.

Its just kind of scary moving away from the regular training split, to something which concentrates mainly on deads, squats and rows. So after reading this guys ^^ what sorta weekly training split would you recommend following this mentality?
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when i try to gain mass the first excercise I do is heavy clean and press followed by heavy squats, rows, bench press, heavy curls then dips. always puts the density on after contests.
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I'm buying this book. This is excellent, it's strange because I just started really doing squats, zeroing in on them today. For the exact reasons describes here.
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I am totally buying this book, that is excellent advice.
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Um, what the hell are you talking about?

Granted, deadlifts will affect certain areas of your upper body, even shoulder development, but where is your scientific data behind squats allowing for arm development? I'd really like to see that.
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That hypothosis is very interesting. I believe a few of the elements, but those are exagerated, probably to illustrate the point.
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It was a good book

I own his other book, <i>Beyond Brawn</i> and it is pretty interesting stuff. A little basic but nonetheless a good read.
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A good read

I have the book, Beyond Brawn. It is a good read but a little basic at some parts though. One thing for sure it gets ya motivated!
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can he explain this, 'retarded strength" then about this 130lber deadlifting lots of weight with his 12inch arms....
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Great article, makes alot of sense.
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Fantastic post, i was in thet cycle for at least a year my workout consisted of arm curls and behind the neck press, it was only a year ago i got told u want big shoulders u press to the front duh!? maybe you could elaberate a little on the type of workout your on about say what?

Mon- Deadlift,Bent over rows,Rows, Lat pull down
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That what you mean?? More emphasize on the primary exercises rather than the isolation or just get rid of isolation altogether for the time being?
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Great read and good post dude, This applies to me majorly. I need to start squatting, deadlifting and rowing more.
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That's so dum. Squats are stupid they just make your ass explode. To get big arms you need to do biceps curls and triceps press thats all.
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