Anabolic Halo from Muscletech pt2

[DRP7]

Originally Posted by psych

so supposing we have a product that does this, is there any way to counter the inhibition of test production? like they do here by adding ingredients sometimes found in "test boosters"/"aphrodisiac type of products"??
i'm curious as to whether that would actually work

here is something you might find interesting:

Exp Clin Endocrinol Diabetes. 2003 Sep;111(6):341-3.
Licorice consumption and serum testosterone in healthy man.Armanini D, Bonanni G, Mattarello MJ, Fiore C, Sartorato P, Palermo M.
Department of Medical and Surgical Sciences - Endocrinology, University of Padua, Padua, Italy. decio.armanini@unipd.it

We have previously found that licorice can reduce serum testosterone in healthy men. These results were not confirmed in another study, where the same amounts of licorice did not decrease salivary testosterone values. In the actual study we treated more cases with the same amount of licorice and reproduced our previous data. The mean testosterone values decreased by 26 % after one week of treatment (p < 0.01). There was also a significant increase in 17-OHP and LH concentrations and a slight, but not significant decrease in free testosterone. Licorice treatment, in addition, did not affect the response of testosterone and 17-OHP to stimulation with beta-HCG.

PMID: 14520600 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

They appleid 7g/d of licorice that was standardized to 7.6% glycyrrhizic acid. so, the participants in this study had a consumption of glycyrrhizic acid of appr. 530 mg/d.

Nobody knows how much glycyrrhetic acid is in MT Anabolic Halo. If they put only 5 mg per serving into it it won't have any measurable effects. But if they put a few hundred mg of it into the product, then it might substantially decrease your testosterone production.

Here a little bit more about the mechanism behind it: (quoted from the same paper)

Licorice root possesses many other endocrine properties, which are related both to its active principle, glycyrrhetinic acid, and to other components of the root ([Armanini et al., 2002]). We have previously described a significant reduction in total serum testosterone and an increase in 17-hydroxyprogesterone (17-OHP) in a group of 7 healthy volunteers, who consumed 7 grams of a commercial preparation of licorice per day ([Armanini et al., 1999]). These findings are consistent with in vivo and in vitro studies, which have found that the active principle of licorice, glycyrrhetinic acid, inhibits the activity of 17-hyhdroxysteroid dehydrogenase (17-HSD) and of 17 - 20 lyase. 17 HSD catalyzes the conversion of androstenedione to testosterone, while 17 - 20 lyase converts 17-OHP into androstenedione ([Sakamoto et al., 1988]; [Yaginuma et al., 1982]; [Takeuchi et al., 1991]).

So, if you ask me what one should take in order to make up for the decrease of test production due to GA, then you should ideally look for something that facilitates the activity of 17-HSD and 17-20-Lyase, the two enzymes that are involved in testosterone / androstenedione production and which are being inhibited by GA.

[Peter LeDrew]

Originally Posted by Dr.P

here is something you might find interesting:



They appleid 7g/d of licorice that was standardized to 7.6% glycyrrhizic acid. so, the participants in this study had a consumption of glycyrrhizic acid of appr. 530 mg/d.

Nobody knows how much glycyrrhetic acid is in MT Anabolic Halo. If they put only 5 mg per serving into it it won't have any measurable effects. But if they put a few hundred mg of it into the product, then it might substantially decrease your testosterone production.

Here a little bit more about the mechanism behind it: (quoted from the same paper)



So, if you ask me what one should take in order to make up for the decrease of test production due to GA, then you should ideally look for something that facilitates the activity of 17-HSD and 17-20-Lyase, the two enzymes that are involved in testosterone / androstenedione production and which are being inhibited by GA.

I was aware of such studies, but didn't want to take the time to find and post. If I don't like something and say, there are probably good reasons behind it, this is just another good example why. Anyone designing a proper post workout product would not put licorice extract in it and only the MT 'super docs' would do so and still sell a bundle to the gullible who like nice packages to show off to their friends.

[babolat06]

Originally Posted by Rodzilla

does anybody else see the similarities to Anabolic OD

well its the same company...

[Rodzilla]

does anybody else see the similarities to Anabolic OD

[inhuman warrior]

Originally Posted by Rodzilla

does anybody else see the similarities to Anabolic OD

Yeah but this is much better. It's got some of the **** that's in Mass FX and all kinds of testosterone boosters and ****. This stuff truly does have everything except for protein.

[Peter LeDrew]

Originally Posted by inhuman warrior

Yeah but this is much better. It's got some of the **** that's in Mass FX and all kinds of testosterone boosters and ****. This stuff truly does have everything except for protein.

test booster? Did you read any of the posts? After reading this post how could anyone not want it, no matter the cost!?!

[inhuman warrior]

Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew

test booster? Did you read any of the posts? After reading this post how could anyone not want it, no matter the cost!?!

No sorry I didn't want to read the entire thread you make some good points.

[ram_6000000]

So Muscletech is including Licorice as an ingredient? I've also heard it contains Yohimbine, wtf? What kind of whacky **** are they feeding us? Do you guys feel this is legit? Also is this already in stores?

[r0hand]

Heck I heard even roids ain't working for so many, LOL, suddenly "supplements" now seem TOTALLY PASSE!

Weird, what does work then ?

[ram_6000000]

huh???

[ram_6000000]

Oh **** I didn't see the ingredient profile was included on the first page, my bad. lol. Anyway all I can say is I see a GIANT ALLERGIC REACTION!!!! No thank you.

[r0hand]

Originally Posted by ram_6000000

huh???

DUUUH!!!! BAAAHHH

[lesterlee90]

lol why not someone just try the product and see how it works? if it works, it works if it doesnt then just too bad. i mean hasnt anyone paid for a supplement and got disappointed before? lol. i wished i had tried all 3, anator, anabolic OD and HALO. i'll post what i feel then. hahaa. but for now i guess i might try this. i'll give in to the marketing. hehe.

[psych]

Originally Posted by lesterlee90

lol why not someone just try the product and see how it works? if it works, it works if it doesnt then just too bad. i mean hasnt anyone paid for a supplement and got disappointed before? lol. i wished i had tried all 3, anator, anabolic OD and HALO. i'll post what i feel then. hahaa. but for now i guess i might try this. i'll give in to the marketing. hehe.

i liked anator anabolic od didnt try more than a couple packets and i think there's some people who are gonna log anabolic halo so we'll wait and see

[Fisher33]

Originally Posted by psych

i liked anator anabolic od didnt try more than a couple packets and i think there's some people who are gonna log anabolic halo so we'll wait and see

I tried it tonight.
Posted what I thought of it in my log...

[Progressive8]

i still cant get over how hilarious the ingreideint profile is.....it looks expensive as hell to make, and since we know all too well about muscletechs pricing, this stuff will probably cost about the same as 6 months or a years worth of bulk bcaa's and creatine lol. I like what they did with the aminos, it was like N-acycl-l-histidine-alpha-ketoglutarate-anabolic-ice-crystal(AIC)-Di-HCI for MAXIMUM hyphin powered anabolism lol ^_^

[psych]

Originally Posted by Progressive8

i still cant get over how hilarious the ingreideint profile is.....it looks expensive as hell to make, and since we know all too well about muscletechs pricing, this stuff will probably cost about the same as 6 months or a years worth of bulk bcaa's and creatine lol. I like what they did with the aminos, it was like N-acycl-l-histidine-alpha-ketoglutarate-anabolic-ice-crystal(AIC)-Di-HCI for MAXIMUM hyphin powered anabolism lol ^_^

lol

its 69.99 in those gnc stores so like i said in another thread its probably going to be 49 or so online

[Progressive8]

wow 70 bucks plus tax for 40 servings, by GNC+Mustletech standards that on the cheap side(serious)

Originally Posted by psych

lol

its 69.99 in those gnc stores so like i said in another thread its probably going to be 49 or so online

[Progressive8]

i wanna know what would happen if u stacked all 4 of their post-workout products, anator, cell-tech hardcore,anabolic od and halo....would your diarreia glow florescent green with hypertrophy and nitrogen retention....sorry im not one to bash muscletech for no reason(i even think anator has a solid ingredient profile) but i just find it strange that they would have so many products in the same category, most companys design their products so that you could stack them with other products from the same company but not MT. It's also weird that they have so many similar products and yet, they dont make a multi,and efa product, and anti-oxident product, a TRUE bcca/eaa product, an NHA product(not counting that like weird am/pm thing) no enzymes or probiotics or anything of that nature...no staples.

[Segansational]

Originally Posted by Progressive8

but i just find it strange that they would have so many products in the same category, most companys design their products so that you could stack them with other products from the same company but not MT. It's also weird that they have so many similar products and yet, they dont make a multi,and efa product, and anti-oxident product, a TRUE bcca/eaa product, an NHA product(not counting that like weird am/pm thing) no enzymes or probiotics or anything of that nature...no staples.

Because they aren't targeting a general health crowd or an informed community. They are looking to get average people who look at their ads and see the bodybuilders and think that by taking that one product, they will transform overnight into the picture they see. I'm not necessarily ragging on MT either, it's marketing and making money. They're not the only company doing it. They just happen to be good at it.

[HouseOfPainUK]

I think MT are making a habit of shovin` Yohimbine in there products. As has been done with Muscle Asylum products. Which i just recently found out is MT under a diffrent name.

Not impressed with this at all. But am concerned alot of beginners & young guys will go for this product simply because of all the ingredients it contains. Being under the impression that this is a `All in One` Supplement. Not good!

[SUPAMAN 1976]

what would you rec. to stack with anabolic HALO?

[SUPAMAN 1976]

im sure it would b colorful!!!! lol

[SUPAMAN 1976]

oh well call me stupid i bought MT'S HALO 2day and will let u know what happens!

[JebJohnston]

Is it really in stores already? The ad in FLEX that I just saw yesterday said that it wasn't due until January 2nd. Does anyone know if this will be able to take the place of anator or would you want to still take both?

I like MT products as well and my current stack include Nanovapor, Anator, and Nitro T3. From what I have heard from that product description, would it be possible to replace Anator and T3 with Halo?

I will keep an eye on this thread to see if anyone that tries it gets some good results. MT should really try to give out free trial packets or something like that for all their newer products. That way we could test their products out a little more easily w/o wasting $60 - $90.

[Strike-Force]

I picked up some a couple of days ago from my local GNC. The only reason I bought it was because they gave me the employee discount on it.

Here's my initial impressions of this stuff:

1. It smells absolutely horrible.
2. It almost tastes as bad as it smells.
3. It has something in it that has an almost menthol type qualities... because my mouth and throat feel all "cool" after downing it.

I will choke down the rest to see if I get anything from it...... but it's definitely going to be a rough few weeks.

[whitesox3223]

i actually loled in real life when i read through the nutritional facts of this stuff

[boss67]

Oh god damn it.......

What to do a post workout supp like that? All that creatine after gym and bla bla ! The most important thing is a pre workout supp like nano vapor and superpump 250....to get you boosted up like an airjet, feel your veins pump out and your skinn explode after every set, feel the sweat and sweat of thermogenesis and after an hour and more of free weights move to the cardio machines for a 20minuite fast run ! Thats a critical and crucial supp that is needed ! After the gym you just take a good protein shake eat some old school good chicken and shut the **** up ! You sleep and you grow!

That icy feeling would be good if you worked out in summer and cooled you down immediately LOL ! Come on !

[needmucsle12]

im trying halo ive been on it for about 2days
you can really feel the coldness in the back of your throat
im stacking with cell-tech hardcore,anator p-70,and anabolic halo
the only question i have is if there all post workout products how would i take
them???

[JebJohnston]

I've just started on Halo yesterday. GNC had a MT BOGO 50% sale, so I picked it up when I could get that plus the 20%. I can't wait until this hits ebay and I can get it for about half off.

Anyway, one reason that I picked it up was that I was told that it could in fact replace anator. I was told that it contained many of the core components of anator, but went beyond it in other parts. So I am going to stop using my anator and try this product out for a few weeks. It tastes really funky with the menthol in it, but other than that I haven't felt any other effects, except perhaps getting kind of sleepy but it was nearly midnight when I got done with my workout yesterday.

So now my newest stack is going to be Plasmavol, Nanovapor, MX-LS7, Anabolic Halo, and Body Fortress Whey Protein. Hopefully I won't run through the AH too quickly with the 3 scoops recommendation. MT should really give a more accurate number of servings on their containers. AH gives 40 I think, but that is if you have 1 scoop a day, when it tells you to take 3 a day everyday under normal conditions. Kind of misleading there.

Anyway, just thought I would throw that in there. I will give more updates when I notice stuff working. I will probably change the MX from iSatori to Lipo 6 in about a week or two. Hopefully the results will be as good as the product seems to be.