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Questions Bosyspacers what do u think about today BB's Compaired to my Era. 1988-2002
I have a question to ALL Bodyspace members that I would like to ask.
1.) What is your opinion of today's Bodybuilders compared to my Era, 1989-2002.
2.) Do you like the bodies of today IFBB Line up, or of the past? Such as Lee Labrada, Berry Demay, Lee Haney,
3.) If you were a teen, and knew what it took to be on the IFBB Stage today, would you do it? Would you consider trying to get a pro card?
3a.) If you were the Father of a Son who's wish was to be a Pro Bodybuilder would you help him out and support him?
4.) If you had the body of today's IFBB Top 5, would you be comfortable in your skin. Would you feel fit and Healthy?
5.) What Era do you think had the greatest sexapeal that sold publications, Nutritional products? today's Line up? Or 1990-98 lineup?
6.) Why do you think Joe Weider SOLD Muscle & Fitness and FLEX in 2002?
7.) Last one.. would you like to see One IFBB Pro show tested with a sick purse say $400.000 Just to see who can really have the biggest, Most chiseled body with flowing symmetry.. NAUTRAL? And to see which Pros have the balls to do it..?? OR do you just care to see a freak Show watching guys pushing it to the limit with all the new gear?
I have a son Seth who is 6 years old. He Said dad I want to be a pro Body Builder Just like you were..What do you think I said???. What do you think I should say?
I wanted to ask you guys/girls on Bodyspace these questions..Please be courteous and respect my questions.. I don't want to leave this thread. Thanks
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11-29-2007, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by erusa
I have a question to ALL Bodyspace members that I would like to ask.
1.) What is your opinion of today's Bodybuilders compared to my Era, 1989-2002.
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80s and 90s were definitely superior. Without ANY doubt.
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2.) Do you like the bodies of today IFBB Line up, or of the past? Such as Lee Labrada, Berry Demay, Lee Haney,
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Absolutely the past. I do think Levrone carried remarkable mass without looking like a block of concrete, but he's an expection.
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3.) If you were a teen, and knew what it took to be on the IFBB Stage today, would you do it? Would you consider trying to get a pro card?
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I train drug free to get as big and strong as I can naturally, so that's a no.
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3a.) If you were the Father of a Son who's wish was to be a Pro Bodybuilder would you help him out and support him?
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4.) If you had the body of today's IFBB Top 5, would you be comfortable in your skin. Would you feel fit and Healthy?
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Probably not - and they don't look healthy! I definitely wouldn't mind carrying a LOT of mass..but not IFBB Top 5 of today!
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5.) What Era do you think had the greatest sexapeal that sold publications, Nutritional products? today's Line up? Or 1990-98 lineup?
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1990-98.
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7.) Last one.. would you like to see One IFBB Pro show tested with a sick purse say $400.000 Just to see who can really have the biggest, Most chiseled body with flowing symmetry.. NAUTRAL?
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YES!
as for your son, he (and you) can make decisions about gear, but I say be his mentor in drug free training.
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11-30-2007, 08:25 AM
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80s and 90s were definitely superior. Without ANY doubt.
Absolutely the past. I do think Levrone carried remarkable mass without looking like a block of concrete, but he's an expection.
I train drug free to get as big and strong as I can naturally, so that's a no.
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Probably not - and they don't look healthy! I definitely wouldn't mind carrying a LOT of mass..but not IFBB Top 5 of today!
1990-98.
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as for your son, he (and you) can make decisions about gear, but I say be his mentor in drug free training.
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I agree...Great Answers, My Son Seth is a Genetic freak. I am pushing him to the NFL..Kid has some legs!!!! Look out for the new Tampa Bay Bucs Freight Train in the future. Seth Robinson
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11-30-2007, 10:52 AM
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I have a question to ALL Bodyspace members that I would like to ask.
1.) What is your opinion of today's Bodybuilders compared to my Era, 1989-2002.
i think during your guys era the ones at the top were essentially perfect. guys like hany, you, sonny schmidt, flex, etc. its getting out of hand now but there are still a few guys with the old lines like gunter (wide genetic waist but not distended/pregnant), milos (although currently banned), dennis wolf (lol future top O contender), and toney freeman.
2.) Do you like the bodies of today IFBB Line up, or of the past? Such as Lee Labrada, Berry Demay, Lee Haney,
labrada a bit small, demay getting closer, haney=perfection
3.) If you were a teen, and knew what it took to be on the IFBB Stage today, would you do it? Would you consider trying to get a pro card?
yes. but id go the team universe route where it would probably take a helluva long time but definitely doable and safer. Actually thats essentially my plan now.
3a.) If you were the Father of a Son who's wish was to be a Pro Bodybuilder would you help him out and support him?
absolutely. with the knowledge i have now and the rest ill gain before i have kids im sure i could keep them on track and save them a lot of frustration and wasted time. id probably advocate joining a natural federation rather then the ifbb, an encourage them to treat it as a lifestyle/hobby rather then a career since the natural federations dont pay much.
4.) If you had the body of today's IFBB Top 5, would you be comfortable in your skin. Would you feel fit and Healthy?
depends on how i looked and felt at that size. i think some are probably pretty ok like freeman, wolf and so fourth. other.....not so much.
5.) What Era do you think had the greatest sexapeal that sold publications, Nutritional products? today's Line up? Or 1990-98 lineup?
1990-1998. definitely more acceptable and mainstream. now its more fetish it seems.
6.) Why do you think Joe Weider SOLD Muscle & Fitness and FLEX in 2002?
senility? lol i think he probably just got to the point were he lost some passion for the mag and hes getting older and probably has some other interests left unattended considering how much time he invested in the sport and the time requirements it took to get where he is today.
7.) Last one.. would you like to see One IFBB Pro show tested with a sick purse say $400.000 Just to see who can really have the biggest, Most chiseled body with flowing symmetry.. NAUTRAL? And to see which Pros have the balls to do it..?? OR do you just care to see a freak Show watching guys pushing it to the limit with all the new gear?
I would LOVE to see 1 show like that. it would be hard to regulate but it would give a lot of these team universe pros a chance to stay natural and at least still have a competitive venture rather then retiring as soon as they get a pro card. anyone who invests so much time should at least have a chance to pursue it rather then counter everything they did earlier just to compete or having to hit the ceiling before there career even starts and then be forced into retirement.
I have a son Seth who is 6 years old. He Said dad I want to be a pro Body Builder Just like you were..What do you think I said???. What do you think I should say?
I wanted to ask you guys/girls on Bodyspace these questions..Please be courteous and respect my questions.. I don't want to leave this thread. Thanks
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i think during your guys era the ones at the top were essentially perfect. guys like hany, you, sonny schmidt, flex, etc. its getting out of hand now but there are still a few guys with the old lines like gunter (wide genetic waist but not distended/pregnant), milos (although currently banned), dennis wolf (lol future top O contender), and toney freeman.
2.) Do you like the bodies of today IFBB Line up, or of the past? Such as Lee Labrada, Berry Demay, Lee Haney,
labrada a bit small, demay getting closer, haney=perfection
3.) If you were a teen, and knew what it took to be on the IFBB Stage today, would you do it? Would you consider trying to get a pro card?
yes. but id go the team universe route where it would probably take a helluva long time but definitely doable and safer. Actually thats essentially my plan now.
3a.) If you were the Father of a Son who's wish was to be a Pro Bodybuilder would you help him out and support him?
absolutely. with the knowledge i have now and the rest ill gain before i have kids im sure i could keep them on track and save them a lot of frustration and wasted time. id probably advocate joining a natural federation rather then the ifbb, an encourage them to treat it as a lifestyle/hobby rather then a career since the natural federations dont pay much.
4.) If you had the body of today's IFBB Top 5, would you be comfortable in your skin. Would you feel fit and Healthy?
depends on how i looked and felt at that size. i think some are probably pretty ok like freeman, wolf and so fourth. other.....not so much.
5.) What Era do you think had the greatest sexapeal that sold publications, Nutritional products? today's Line up? Or 1990-98 lineup?
1990-1998. definitely more acceptable and mainstream. now its more fetish it seems.
6.) Why do you think Joe Weider SOLD Muscle & Fitness and FLEX in 2002?
senility? lol i think he probably just got to the point were he lost some passion for the mag and hes getting older and probably has some other interests left unattended considering how much time he invested in the sport and the time requirements it took to get where he is today.
7.) Last one.. would you like to see One IFBB Pro show tested with a sick purse say $400.000 Just to see who can really have the biggest, Most chiseled body with flowing symmetry.. NAUTRAL? And to see which Pros have the balls to do it..?? OR do you just care to see a freak Show watching guys pushing it to the limit with all the new gear?
I would LOVE to see 1 show like that. it would be hard to regulate but it would give a lot of these team universe pros a chance to stay natural and at least still have a competitive venture rather then retiring as soon as they get a pro card. anyone who invests so much time should at least have a chance to pursue it rather then counter everything they did earlier just to compete or having to hit the ceiling before there career even starts and then be forced into retirement.
I have a son Seth who is 6 years old. He Said dad I want to be a pro Body Builder Just like you were..What do you think I said???. What do you think I should say?
id imagine you gave him the real deal and advocated the lifestyle...not the career. and advised he stick with football as the future is probably much brighter.im sure he could keep it a hobby but again career not so stable.
lol hes definitely got a great adviser.
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11-30-2007, 01:45 PM
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As a general reply to those questions, I am definitely more for the bodybuilders of the previous era. Granted, it is pretty cool to see the "monsters" of today, I still feel the bodybuilders of the 80's and early 90's were healthier. As for the questions regarding your son, those are really questions only he can answer in time. As far as support, parents always try to help thier children, and show them all the options available (healthy and unhealthy) as well as benefits and consequences. Besides, there's more money in football! *L*
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11-30-2007, 02:37 PM
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What Is My Form, Speed And Strength Like
Dear Eddie and all,
I seen you article on rep speed and totally agree, however I have been taking a bit of stick fro the HIT crown, they say my form is not good and I go to fast.
I want to stimulate the muscles as much as possible, I want to overload them as much as possible, and on a light load going slow you just can do it, and if you use perfect form you also limit your self?s, for the weights I am using on the second and third sets I think my form is fine
I made a few videos for the group and some other forums, to comment on,[/quote] I am 46, 185 to 195 pounds, 15 and 3/4 arms, 46 chest, 32 to 36 waist and about 5 foot 8 inches.
Now some on the HIT forum talk of injury and momentum coming into play, could the group possibly comment on this.
The HIT people do the slow style of lifting, 2/4, that limits your force/power/strength output in my opinion. Lets say your 1RM bench is 300, so 240 is 80% what you use for reps of 10 at 2/4, and at 2/4 you are only producing 240, I am trying to rep as fast as I can thus I am trying to produce my full force/power/strength and try all the time to produce 300 pounds, which is my 1RM.
I moved those weights with my one hand. I am trying to constantly accelerate into the bar, I am constantly pushing into the bar, and am not breaking terminal velocity, and as we know there is momentum in all moving objects, but as far as I know as I aid I am constantly trying accelerate into the bar and staying in front of any extra momentum.
Albert Einstein,
Take a bathroom scale into an elevator, stand on the scales, and see when it registers the greatest weight ??? When the elevator is at full stop, or is moving upwards or is moving downwards. You will note that offloading takes place when the elevator accelerates downwards and that enhanced loading takes place as you begin to accelerate upwards.
Sir Isaac Newton,
Newton's 2nd Law,
An increase in the upward acceleration will increase and not offload the force exerted on the lifter. The only way to offload a muscle is to accelerate downwards with the load, not to slow it down while going upwards.
We have done many tests, and you always fail faster in the faster reps, this is because they are harder and more intense, lets say you beck 200 for 15/15 rep speed, and you do two reps, the TUT is 60 seconds, take the same weight a rep it at 1.1, you will do about 21 reps, but fail about 30% earlier in TUT at about 42 seconds, proving the faster rep is the harder and more intense on the muscles.
My friends have borrowed my camcorder, so this is from my digital camera, but its got 8 million pixels so it will have to do, but it did not come out as good as I wanted, there was not enough light and I should have done it in daylight, I put some sheets up to help but it made it worst.
I Have been doing these one armed pullover for nearly 50 weeks now that?s just about a year, and its been full progress, when I say full progress, I mean I have always got every rep of every set, and that is truly amassing, but its now getting very hard, and its ironic, but the fist time I failed on a rep and its on camera.
And I was supposed to do 67, 87 and 97, but went up higher for the camera, I went for 30/15/10 at 70, 90 and 100, it was a mistake, As image on a single joint exercise (well I call it single joint) like this and you close to your limit and you should have added one pound, but you added four, and remember its one handed, and as you can see on the second set I did not get my full reps, and the last was very hard also, and just for the camera I threw in 20 fast forced assisted reps at the end, I could have easily gone to fifty reps as you will see, I no not usually do or need these extra reps, I was going to do a few negatives after this, but if you notice at the end I did actually try one, but just could not hold it at all.
I have done 20 x 90 15 x 110 10 x 120, for full reps.
On the 99% of these reps I have not gone to failure; I just terminate the set when the desired reps are done.
These one armed pullover were done on the Nautilus Super Pullover, not sure if the same weight, lets say a 100 will feel or be the same on any other machine.
Set One = This set acts as a warm up, (warm up, this by far the hardest set) and maximally stresses the musculature and all the support systems as a warm up. Which is needed to achieve maximum metabolic, structural, and CNS efficiency. Pump after the first set is pretty incredible.
Just noticed that I only did 29 on the first set, must have been nerves in front of the camera, and they all are full range, you can tell that if you look at the distance, the weight stack goes down. As you can see these were quite easy reps.
Rep speed on the first set was .85/.85; the whole working set took 50 seconds.
Set Two = This is a maximal effort set, and the last two reps are "dead stops". While this is generally a difficult set, failure is not always the goal. If I am in a "progress" phase, I only look for a rep or couple pound increase every session.
As I said before I went up a bit to much on these sets, and assisted myself on the first rep with my other hand, and as you will see these reps were quite hard, and then very hard, I got 13 full reps here, I should have terminated the set at 13, but went for tow more, which was another mistake.
Rep speed on the second set was .85/.85; the whole working set took 23 seconds.
Set Three = this set is to failure if needed, but the overload rep or weight goal is more important. Each rep is attacked with the intension of moving the weight as fast as possible. Intensity is at the level that I have to sit at the end for a few seconds and regain orientation. It is a violent, intense effort and the first two sets are staging to prepare for it. There would be NO WAY to get here in a single set.
As you will hear from the noise and vibration, and my dog barking in the background, this was a full out work set. On the first two sets you seen my other hand on my waist, on this set I forgot about this, and out it on my chest, where I usually put it, and you can clearly see it there. And it was as you can see hard, for the camera I threw in 20 fast forced assisted reps at the end, I could have easily gone to fifty reps as you will see, I no not usually do or need these extra reps, as I very well now know, failure is not needed to get very strong or relatively strong for your size, I was going to do a few negatives after this, but if you notice at the end I did actually try one, but just could not hold it at all.
Rep speed on the third set was .85/.85; the whole working set took 17 seconds.
As you all my know at the stretched position of the Nautilus, well the old ones, not sure what the new ones are like, in the stretched position its very dangerous, but as you can well see I put huge forces on my one arm, and at the highest speeds I could move the bar, the speed and force at the top turnarounds must have been huge, was I hurt no, but please if your just into the weights do not try this, as I am very used to doing this.
I did .85/.85 on all sets, hey that?s funny.
Notice how fast failure comes ???
And if someone comments on form, remember I made a mistake and put on to much for the camera, but in my eyes the form was fine, its hard to do anything but form on this machine, however when using very heavy weights relative two oneself, I am sorry but full form will have to go out of the window, as you just can not use very heavy weight and use perfect form, if you do, you will only limit yourselves, I was trying to stimulate as much stress on the lats as I could.
I did these Sunday night, and my right side lats, traps, triceps and chest was sill sore on Wednesday.
http://youtube.com/...h?v=EoxqK8Zg9pQ
http://youtube.com/...h?v=g75AOU7ckmQ
http://youtube.com/...h?v=2C8OlbfrZWQ
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11-30-2007, 02:38 PM
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What Is My Form, Speed And Strength Like
Dear Eddie and all,
I seen you article on rep speed and totally agree, however I have been taking a bit of stick fro the HIT crown, they say my form is not good and I go to fast.
I want to stimulate the muscles as much as possible, I want to overload them as much as possible, and on a light load going slow you just can do it, and if you use perfect form you also limit your self?s, for the weights I am using on the second and third sets I think my form is fine
I made a few videos for the group and some other forums, to comment on, I am 46, 185 to 195 pounds, 15 and 3/4 arms, 46 chest, 32 to 36 waist and about 5 foot 8 inches.
Now some on the HIT forum talk of injury and momentum coming into play, could the group possibly comment on this.
The HIT people do the slow style of lifting, 2/4, that limits your force/power/strength output in my opinion. Lets say your 1RM bench is 300, so 240 is 80% what you use for reps of 10 at 2/4, and at 2/4 you are only producing 240, I am trying to rep as fast as I can thus I am trying to produce my full force/power/strength and try all the time to produce 300 pounds, which is my 1RM.
I moved those weights with my one hand. I am trying to constantly accelerate into the bar, I am constantly pushing into the bar, and am not breaking terminal velocity, and as we know there is momentum in all moving objects, but as far as I know as I aid I am constantly trying accelerate into the bar and staying in front of any extra momentum.
Albert Einstein,
Take a bathroom scale into an elevator, stand on the scales, and see when it registers the greatest weight ??? When the elevator is at full stop, or is moving upwards or is moving downwards. You will note that offloading takes place when the elevator accelerates downwards and that enhanced loading takes place as you begin to accelerate upwards.
Sir Isaac Newton,
Newton's 2nd Law,
An increase in the upward acceleration will increase and not offload the force exerted on the lifter. The only way to offload a muscle is to accelerate downwards with the load, not to slow it down while going upwards.
We have done many tests, and you always fail faster in the faster reps, this is because they are harder and more intense, lets say you beck 200 for 15/15 rep speed, and you do two reps, the TUT is 60 seconds, take the same weight a rep it at 1.1, you will do about 21 reps, but fail about 30% earlier in TUT at about 42 seconds, proving the faster rep is the harder and more intense on the muscles.
My friends have borrowed my camcorder, so this is from my digital camera, but its got 8 million pixels so it will have to do, but it did not come out as good as I wanted, there was not enough light and I should have done it in daylight, I put some sheets up to help but it made it worst.
I Have been doing these one armed pullover for nearly 50 weeks now that?s just about a year, and its been full progress, when I say full progress, I mean I have always got every rep of every set, and that is truly amassing, but its now getting very hard, and its ironic, but the fist time I failed on a rep and its on camera.
And I was supposed to do 67, 87 and 97, but went up higher for the camera, I went for 30/15/10 at 70, 90 and 100, it was a mistake, As image on a single joint exercise (well I call it single joint) like this and you close to your limit and you should have added one pound, but you added four, and remember its one handed, and as you can see on the second set I did not get my full reps, and the last was very hard also, and just for the camera I threw in 20 fast forced assisted reps at the end, I could have easily gone to fifty reps as you will see, I no not usually do or need these extra reps, I was going to do a few negatives after this, but if you notice at the end I did actually try one, but just could not hold it at all.
I have done 20 x 90 15 x 110 10 x 120, for full reps.
On the 99% of these reps I have not gone to failure; I just terminate the set when the desired reps are done.
These one armed pullover were done on the Nautilus Super Pullover, not sure if the same weight, lets say a 100 will feel or be the same on any other machine.
Set One = This set acts as a warm up, (warm up, this by far the hardest set) and maximally stresses the musculature and all the support systems as a warm up. Which is needed to achieve maximum metabolic, structural, and CNS efficiency. Pump after the first set is pretty incredible.
Just noticed that I only did 29 on the first set, must have been nerves in front of the camera, and they all are full range, you can tell that if you look at the distance, the weight stack goes down. As you can see these were quite easy reps.
Rep speed on the first set was .85/.85; the whole working set took 50 seconds.
Set Two = This is a maximal effort set, and the last two reps are "dead stops". While this is generally a difficult set, failure is not always the goal. If I am in a "progress" phase, I only look for a rep or couple pound increase every session.
As I said before I went up a bit to much on these sets, and assisted myself on the first rep with my other hand, and as you will see these reps were quite hard, and then very hard, I got 13 full reps here, I should have terminated the set at 13, but went for tow more, which was another mistake.
Rep speed on the second set was .85/.85; the whole working set took 23 seconds.
Set Three = this set is to failure if needed, but the overload rep or weight goal is more important. Each rep is attacked with the intension of moving the weight as fast as possible. Intensity is at the level that I have to sit at the end for a few seconds and regain orientation. It is a violent, intense effort and the first two sets are staging to prepare for it. There would be NO WAY to get here in a single set.
As you will hear from the noise and vibration, and my dog barking in the background, this was a full out work set. On the first two sets you seen my other hand on my waist, on this set I forgot about this, and out it on my chest, where I usually put it, and you can clearly see it there. And it was as you can see hard, for the camera I threw in 20 fast forced assisted reps at the end, I could have easily gone to fifty reps as you will see, I no not usually do or need these extra reps, as I very well now know, failure is not needed to get very strong or relatively strong for your size, I was going to do a few negatives after this, but if you notice at the end I did actually try one, but just could not hold it at all.
Rep speed on the third set was .85/.85; the whole working set took 17 seconds.
As you all my know at the stretched position of the Nautilus, well the old ones, not sure what the new ones are like, in the stretched position its very dangerous, but as you can well see I put huge forces on my one arm, and at the highest speeds I could move the bar, the speed and force at the top turnarounds must have been huge, was I hurt no, but please if your just into the weights do not try this, as I am very used to doing this.
I did .85/.85 on all sets, hey that?s funny.
Notice how fast failure comes ???
And if someone comments on form, remember I made a mistake and put on to much for the camera, but in my eyes the form was fine, its hard to do anything but form on this machine, however when using very heavy weights relative two oneself, I am sorry but full form will have to go out of the window, as you just can not use very heavy weight and use perfect form, if you do, you will only limit yourselves, I was trying to stimulate as much stress on the lats as I could.
I did these Sunday night, and my right side lats, traps, triceps and chest was sill sore on Wednesday.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EoxqK8Zg9pQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=g75AOU7ckmQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2C8OlbfrZWQ
worldstrongman
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11-30-2007, 04:34 PM
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hey eddie,how many grams of fat should i take in while cutting?
i'm 6'0 265 about 12% or 14% bodyfat.
i thought about 120g but that seems to high.
what do you think?
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12-01-2007, 10:25 AM
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hey eddie,how many grams of fat should i take in while cutting?
i'm 6'0 265 about 12% or 14% bodyfat.
i thought about 120g but that seems to high.
what do you think?
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All the fat you need should occur naturally in your everyday diet. However, if your fat intake is extremely low (below 10%), I would recommend supplementing a tablespoon of flaxseed oil, olive oil or even a serving of peanuts just to make sure you get your essential fatty acids. Essential fatty acids do play a role in growth, recovery and day to day well being. My recommendation is your daily caloric intake consist of 10-15% fat.
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All the fat you need should occur naturally in your everyday diet. However, if your fat intake is extremely low (below 10%), I would recommend supplementing a tablespoon of flaxseed oil, olive oil or even a serving of peanuts just to make sure you get your essential fatty acids. Essential fatty acids do play a role in growth, recovery and day to day well being. My recommendation is your daily caloric intake consist of 10-15% fat.
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so lets say if i was eating 3700 calories 555 of them will be from good fats?
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so lets say if i was eating 3700 calories 555 of them will be from good fats?
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Yes, at 15% good fat would be 555 cal. Would try and get that fat from fish, Flax oil etc.. I would recomend keeping at 10% for a few days then up to 15% then back down to 10% wich would be 370 cal good fat. Keep the diet as clean as you can.
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Yes, at 15% good fat would be 555 cal. Would try and get that fat from fish, Flax oil etc.. I would recomend keeping at 10% for a few days then up to 15% then back down to 10% wich would be 370 cal good fat. Keep the diet as clean as you can.
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thanks alot eddie really do thank u for all your help. now with carbs i been keeping them pretty low like between 50 and a 100. then one day out of the week i carb up to like 200 is that good?
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1) Def, ur era was much better. Today's, they're freaky looking.. huge masses, but i don't think they attain in naturally. and what happens to them when they quit??
2) Def, the ones of the past are better, much pleasantly looking, and healthier.
3.) I would try to get a pro card, Yes.. but, i won't go the bad routes.
3a.) i would defenitely support my son in what he wishes to do. as a matter of fact, i do try to encourage my sons to go into sports as much as i can.
4.) No. don't think i would be comfortable in that.
5.) the 90's were much better.
6.) have no idea here.
7.) yes, i would love to see such a show.
if that is your son's wish when he gets older, then you should support him and give him the knowledge that you have and keep him from harming himself.
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thanks alot eddie really do thank u for all your help. now with carbs i been keeping them pretty low like between 50 and a 100. then one day out of the week i carb up to like 200 is that good?
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Your Welcome Platinum, You are on the Money with the carbs, I would keep carbs just under 100 for 3 days up to 200 for a 2 days back down to just under 100 for 3 days than up to 250 a day than back down to the 100, keep staggering the cars..this will keep the body burning fat. Cut protein back a little of Higher carb days.
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1) Def, ur era was much better. Today's, they're freaky looking.. huge masses, but i don't think they attain in naturally. and what happens to them when they quit??
2) Def, the ones of the past are better, much pleasantly looking, and healthier.
3.) I would try to get a pro card, Yes.. but, i won't go the bad routes.
3a.) i would defenitely support my son in what he wishes to do. as a matter of fact, i do try to encourage my sons to go into sports as much as i can.
4.) No. don't think i would be comfortable in that.
5.) the 90's were much better.
6.) have no idea here.
7.) yes, i would love to see such a show.
if that is your son's wish when he gets older, then you should support him and give him the knowledge that you have and keep him from harming himself.
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Thanks for your answers.
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hey eddie alot of the stuff ive read over the years has said that fats should be about 20% of your total calories to allow optimal hormonal response, i.e. test levels, etc. What are your thoughts on these claims?
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hey eddie alot of the stuff ive read over the years has said that fats should be about 20% of your total calories to allow optimal hormonal response, i.e. test levels, etc. What are your thoughts on these claims?
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I do agree in part, Read the Metabolic Diet By My good Friend Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale.. This is the style of diet that I used when I competed in the 1990 Olympia tested.. It's a higher fat diet..However very little carbs.
The above quote is talking about dropping weight ..Getting ready for a contest/Losing weight by beeping fat count lower than normal 15% with a higher protein zig zagging carbs. Once you get to you target weight you can start adding more good fat,i.e. Nuts, Fish, etc.. However you must keep the carb ratio lower when increasing fat, If you increase both the carbs that turn into blood sugar will drive the fat into cell like a sponger.. SOoooooo..Don't mix high fats with carbs..if your eating fried chicken don't have the fries..Good to hear from ya Homer.
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Eddie, thanks for answering my questions about bench presses.
I saw your armwrestling videos - great stuff!!
Eddie, do you have any general tips for lifting - something that the general public (the weight training public, that is  ) often overlooks?
I know you stress the importance of not overtraining.
What kind of poundages were you using for bicepstraining?? Your arms were/are enormous!
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Hey eddie got another question for ya lol. i know you had a couple severe injuries early on in your career and was wondering if you had any secrets for getting back to peak shape or if you have come across anything along the way. i know the probiotics and stuff helped and was curious to know if you had any other concepts to share?
ive been eating a large tub or greek yogurt and even added in raw sauerkraut and i can tell a huge difference in my digestive function. i used to have that lower abdomen bloat (still do a little) but its definitely decreasing now that im cleansing it of the bad bacteria. thanks again for all your tips and stories.
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I have a son Seth who is 6 years old. He Said dad I want to be a pro Body Builder Just like you were..What do you think I said???. What do you think I should say?
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You know this part of your question really got to me. My dad is the reason why I started lifting. He was a marine, and very much into physical fitness (Reg Park was his hero). I started exercising at age 7. My dad went into the gym with me, and helped me with my workouts. That really meant a lot to me! I'm sure you will help your son in his quest, and even if he doesn't always show it (or maybe he will) he will definately appreciate your help.
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Eddie, thanks for answering my questions about bench presses.
I saw your armwrestling videos - great stuff!!
Eddie, do you have any general tips for lifting - something that the general public (the weight training public, that is  ) often overlooks?
I know you stress the importance of not overtraining.
What kind of poundages were you using for bicepstraining?? Your arms were/are enormous!
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Yes, I really enjoyed the Arm wrestling..The vids are cool.. as for weight training that the public Overlooks, I feel the mind set that more is better needs to be dismissed and to focus on hitting the muscle hard, heavy and to the point without spending the day in the gym,, Most do a set, Talk, get a drink ect. I However blast through my workouts, Always shocking the muscle with different workouts, i.e. Suppersets/drop sets basically always keeping the muscle confused..this is the key to size..Don't so the same workout all the time.
As for bicep training, loved preacher bench, doing drop sets of 40 i.e. 120 x10, 100 x15, 80x15. most of my arm development came from just basically lifting heavy weight, you have to use your arms for everything to get to that upper body part. Heavy Bent rows, Heavy bench presses etc... all hit biceps, Triceps making Arms GROW...
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Hey eddie got another question for ya lol. i know you had a couple severe injuries early on in your career and was wondering if you had any secrets for getting back to peak shape or if you have come across anything along the way. i know the probiotics and stuff helped and was curious to know if you had any other concepts to share?
ive been eating a large tub or greek yogurt and even added in raw sauerkraut and i can tell a huge difference in my digestive function. i used to have that lower abdomen bloat (still do a little) but its definitely decreasing now that im cleansing it of the bad bacteria. thanks again for all your tips and stories.
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The probiotic/Live cultured foods definitely helped the repair and recovery from my injuries. Also took in Rishi mushrooms, DHEA, glutathione, etc. and your basic glutamine/creatine stacks..Bla ..Bla..Bla..The key to overcoming injury is to train through it, But be smart.. Full range of motion, target all the surrounding muscle around injury to help compensate..
Great to hear from you guys! Happy Holidays!
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Hey eddie what's the best way to left when cutting?
I put on size easy so I thougt about lifting as if I was trying to put on size so I can maintain my size while cutting. Reps like 12 to 6 heavy what u think. I keep hear light whight high reps?
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Thanks for answering all our questions, Eddie.
You've always been one of my favorites, so this is a great privilege.
Great stuff how you psyched your armwrestling opponents - "you're going down!!"
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Hey eddie what's the best way to left when cutting?
I put on size easy so I thougt about lifting as if I was trying to put on size so I can maintain my size while cutting. Reps like 12 to 6 heavy what u think. I keep hear light whight high reps?
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Always train as hard as you can! No different ways to train when you are cutting only adding more cardio..I seem to train harder during my cutting stage, mainly due to the pressure of getting on stage competeing against the worlds best..there was never any last rep or even a finish line for that matter!
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Thanks for answering all our questions, Eddie.
You've always been one of my favorites, so this is a great privilege.
Great stuff how you psyched your armwrestling opponents - "you're going down!!"
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LOL..I really enjoyed armwrestling, the ESPN Championship was such fun..Looking for the vidio where I broke a guys 4/arm during event..will post when I find.. the sound was awesome..
Happy Holidays to all!! God Bless
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Hey eddie let me say thank u for all your help.
I know me and all the the bbers really thank you.
You are a great man, and bodybuilder. Happy holiday to u and your family!!!!!!!!!!
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what kind of ruitine and supplements did you start out on ?
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Hey eddie let me say thank u for all your help.
I know me and all the the bbers really thank you.
You are a great man, and bodybuilder. Happy holiday to u and your family!!!!!!!!!!
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Thank you Big Man.. All the best to you and you diet/training. Hope I helped.
Happy Holidays to you also my friend! May God Bless you and your family this Holiday Season and New Year!
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When I started out I keyed on Clean foods with live culture. Mainly organic. By incorporating a lifestyle with proper nutrition you body can't help but grow. I ate a lot of fish, omega 3 eggs, and chicken. Every meal was loaded with vegetables such as Broccoli, couliflower, Brussel sprouts, and green beans. I would eat the Broccoli and Caulaflower first before ( Lightly steamed or RAW) with each meal to clean the digestive tract then followed with my protein for proper absorbtion.
I always used a good multi, creatin/glutamine, aminos and a lot of fibrous foods to keep the digestive tract clean with good bacteria that are found in live cultured foods such as Raw Honey, Yogurts, and Organic foods..etc..also a good dose of acidophilus.! My training was 2 on one off. i.e. Day 1. Back & bicep, 2. Chest,shoulder, Tricep 3. Legs. Then I would repeat. I trained five days a week giving body plenty of rest by taking the 3rd day off. This worked for me.
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Eddie you need to dig up more videos - the one with armwrestling where you break his arm...ouch!
Would be great stuff to have on youtube.
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All right. So I've been growing like a madman because I've been stuffing my face.
I just wanted to ask..do I have to eat so many carbs? Lets say in the morning I get 50g of protein...I'll usually get about 100+g of carbs. and I continue getting about 60 or so every meal thereafter.
I don't really mind adding some fat, but I think I've added a little too much from all of the carbs..but I'm afraid to not eat as many carbs, because I'm afraid that I'm not growing as fast as I possibly can. How much would you suggest I bring down the carb intake to stay at a reasonable bf% while growing lean muscle at the same rate?
GOOD DAY, SIR.
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Eddie you need to dig up more videos - the one with armwrestling where you break his arm...ouch!
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Will search around for more vidio.. Thanks
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All right. So I've been growing like a madman because I've been stuffing my face.
I just wanted to ask..do I have to eat so many carbs? Lets say in the morning I get 50g of protein...I'll usually get about 100+g of carbs. and I continue getting about 60 or so every meal thereafter.
I don't really mind adding some fat, but I think I've added a little too much from all of the carbs..but I'm afraid to not eat as many carbs, because I'm afraid that I'm not growing as fast as I possibly can. How much would you suggest I bring down the carb intake to stay at a reasonable bf% while growing lean muscle at the same rate?
GOOD DAY, SIR.
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Hard to determine what your carb ratio should be, it depends on your current body fat, and activity level. I like keeping my pro 50%, carbs 30%, fats 20%. However we are all different in body type and activity level. If you are trying to lose weight and gain muscle you need to keep your protein up and keep carb moderate, I eat most of my carbs in the morning and after I train, the last two meals are very low in carbs mostly protein and Vegetables due to my activity level is very low when it come to my last two meals. Try and eat 5 small meals a day. this will keep your metabolism at full force by adding protein for repair growth. Your will grow with High carbs but will mainly be fat unless you have an extremely fast metabolism and high activity level.
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Hey eddie should I count my viggies in my carbs count? I keep hearing everyone said viggies don't count. Why is that?
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