NCAA issues notice about nutritional-supplement provision

[beau_zo_brehm]

http://www2.ncaa.org/media_and_event...e/4211n18.html

Things I would like to point out:

Permissible
Vitamins and minerals
Energy bars
Calorie replacement drinks (for example, Ensure, Boost)
Electrolyte replacement drinks (for example, Gatorade, Powerade)

Impermissible
Amino acids (including amino acid chelates)
Chondroitin*
Chrysin
CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid)
Creatine/compounds containing creatine
Garcinia Cambogia (Hydroxycitric Acid)
Ginkgo Biloba
Ginseng
Glucosamine*
Glutathione
Glycerol **
Green tea
HMB (Hydroxy-methylbutyrate)
Melatonin
MSM (Methylsulfonyl Methane)
Protein powders
St. John's Wort
Tribulus
Weight-gainers
Yohimbe

Is it just me or does this seem a little extreme? Also, I couldn't determine whether or not "impermissable" is the same as "banned" or just unreccomended...

[UberBerzerker]

''compounds containing creatine''


LOL - no more steak, damn you cheaters!!

[beau_zo_brehm]

''compounds containing creatine''


LOL - no more steak, damn you cheaters!!

lol yahh i know.. i think the ncaa is taking a very ignorant approach to the situation..

[JRRBadBoy4Life]

So college athletes have to pay for their own supplements instead of them being given to them. All of us have to pay for our supplements. Why should colleges be allowed to spend money to pay for athletes supplements? What do all the other students get besides screwd. Hey, at least their getting energy bars, gatorade, among other things; along with a free ride to college.

[beau_zo_brehm]

So college athletes have to pay for their own supplements instead of them being given to them. All of us have to pay for our supplements. Why should colleges be allowed to spend money to pay for athletes supplements? What do all the other students get besides screwd. Hey, at least their getting energy bars, gatorade, among other things; along with a free ride to college.

ahh i get it. so is this just saying that universities cant give their athletes these substances?

[JRRBadBoy4Life]

ahh i get it. so is this just saying that universities cant give their athletes these substances?

Thats how Im reading the article. Permissible=permitted to provide the athletes with; Impermissible= not permited to pay for or provide for the athletes. It doesnt mean the athletes cant go out and purchase those products on their own.

[beau_zo_brehm]

Thats how Im reading the article. Permissible=permitted to provide the athletes with; Impermissible= not permited to pay for or provide for the athletes. It doesnt mean the athletes cant go out and purchase those products on their own.

thanks for clearing this up.. i thought they were banning those substances LOL...

[dwm230000]

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[JRRBadBoy4Life]

thanks for clearing this up.. i thought they were banning those substances LOL...

Not unless they want a bunch of scrawny guys running around the field.

[UberBerzerker]

So college athletes have to pay for their own supplements instead of them being given to them. All of us have to pay for our supplements. Why should colleges be allowed to spend money to pay for athletes supplements? What do all the other students get besides screwd. Hey, at least their getting energy bars, gatorade, among other things; along with a free ride to college.

We could go into a long drawn out debate about this, but basically to answer your hypothetical question: Why should colleges be allowed to pay for athletes supplements? (I feel they should, as you'll see below)

because the athletics dept. of a school brings in most of the money for that school by winning games, tourneys, bowl games, etc. The other students get better buildings, dorms, food, stadiums, whatever - by having more successful teams that people pay more and more money to go see play, have the t-shirts and hats, bumper stickers, flags, and so on.

anyway - just thought I'd throw that in...not trying to start an e-war

[beau_zo_brehm]

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yahh i saw that.. i wasnt sure if it was outdated.. thanks.

[JRRBadBoy4Life]

We could go into a long drawn out debate about this, but basically to answer your hypothetical question: Why should colleges be allowed to pay for athletes supplements? (I feel they should, as you'll see below)

because the athletics dept. of a school brings in most of the money for that school by winning games, tourneys, bowl games, etc. The other students get better buildings, dorms, food, stadiums, whatever - by having more successful teams that people pay more and more money to go see play, have the t-shirts and hats, bumper stickers, flags, and so on.

anyway - just thought I'd throw that in...not trying to start an e-war

I see your point. And I have no doubt that at many of the big name universities its happening anyways.

[beau_zo_brehm]

i might be way off, but maybe the ncaa is trying to protect these profits made in athletics by limiting the spending of the program thus increasing the surplus. also, if everyone is following the same rules, then the same teams should still be winning and getting the $$$. if the university is spending more on supps, then they are spending less on education.....

[JRRBadBoy4Life]

if the university is spending more on supps, then they are spending less on buildings and dorms.....

....and books and education in general. Remember, the vast majority of student athletes will not be playing professional sports, therefore a good education is more important than supplements.

[beau_zo_brehm]

....and books and education in general. Remember, the vast majority of student athletes will not be playing professional sports, therefore a good education is more important than supplements.

good point. honestly i think the descision should be up to each individual university though. because some can afford to spend more money on athletics, and some cant. also, i dont see how the ncaa can tell a private university how to spend their money??

[NoNameNecessary]

Technically, they really can't it. It's basically just saying "Here's our rules. If you choose not to follow them, then f*ck off." Basically, the university doesn't NECESSARILY have to follow them, but if they choose not to (and are caught), then they won't participate. That is how I see it.

[beau_zo_brehm]

Technically, they really can't it. It's basically just saying "Here's our rules. If you choose not to follow them, then f*ck off." Basically, the university doesn't NECESSARILY have to follow them, but if they choose not to (and are caught), then they won't participate. That is how I see it.

i see.. because the ncaa sanctions the events, and the university dosn't have to follow ncaa rules, but if they get caught not following them then they risk being penalized from ncaa sanctioned events.

[Ruby Soho]

So glycerol isn't banned by the NCAA? It wasnt on the list. I guess pu12 was wrong.

[RobW]

I think it is also partly due to the fact that the NCAA is in the pocket of Gatorade and the nice people at Pepsi, don't want the athletes getting anything except "Sugar Water" for FREE....

[pu12en12g]

So glycerol isn't banned by the NCAA? It wasnt on the list. I guess pu12 was wrong.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=662470

United States and International Olympic Committee position on the use of glycerol

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) added diuretics to its list of banned substances in 1986. This is fine, because the use of diuretics is detrimental to the maintenance of fluid homeostasis. Moreover, the use of diuretics is known to decrease the concentration of the urinary markers used to detect abuse of anabolic steroids or other banned ergogenic aids. Glycerol was formerly classified as a diuretic agent by the United States Olympic Committee (USOC), but not by the IOC (13). Such a classification by the USOC was based on the clinical use of glycerol as an osmotic tissue dehydrator. However, glycerol causes minimal diuresis, as only 20% of the intake is excreted by the kidney in urine during rest conditions (13). The remainder is metabolized in the liver and kidney tissue. Indeed, since 1997, the USOC has removed the ban on glycerol and has approved the use of glycerol ingestion by athletes in USOC-sanctioned events.

NCAA Permissible/impermissible products:

To assist the membership in accurately applying Bylaw 16.5.2.g, posted below are two lists of supplements: one permissible for the institution to provide, the other containing examples of impermissible ingredients.

It is important to note that when reading the ingredient label of a supplement product, the listing of any impermissible ingredient makes the product impermissible. Further, when considering the product's protein content, the reader should consider the listing of the word "protein" and the number of grams included. If any other parts of a protein are listed separately, as in any amino acid or chain, it would not be permissible for an institution to provide such a supplement to its student-athletes. If the product lists a "proprietary protein" or "protein blend," then this is not protein from a whole food source, but rather a concoction created by the manufacturer, and in most instances includes impermissible supplement ingredients..

Permissible:

* Vitamins and minerals
* Energy bars
* Calorie replacement drinks (for example, Ensure, Boost)
* Electrolyte replacement drinks (for example, Gatorade, Powerade)

Impermissible

* Amino acids (including amino acid chelates)
* Chondroitin*
* Chrysin
* CLA (Conjugated Linoleic Acid)
* Creatine/compounds containing creatine
* Garcinia Cambogia (Hydroxycitric Acid)
* Ginkgo Biloba
* Ginseng
* Glucosamine*
* Glutathione
* Glycerol **
* Green tea
* HMB (Hydroxy-methylbutyrate)
* Melatonin
* MSM (Methylsulfonyl Methane)
* Protein powders
* St. John's Wort
* Tribulus
* Weight-gainers
* Yohimbe

* It is permissible for an institution to provide glucosamine and/or condroitin to a student-athlete for medical purposes, provided such substances are provided by a licensed medical doctor to treat a specific, diagnosed medical condition (as opposed to prescribing them for preventive reasons).

** Glycerine or glycerol as a binding ingredient in a supplement product is permissible.

2001 NCAA BANNED SUBSTANCES - FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT BANNED SUBSTANCES

As the NCAA moves forward on this issue, the Committee on Competitive Safeguards and
Medical Aspects of Sports will provide additional consultation as needed. The mission of
this committee and of the NCAA is to make every effort to provide equitable and safe
competition for NCAA student-athletes.
Bryan W. Smith, M.D., is chair of the NCAA Committee on Competitive Safeguards and
Medical Aspects of Sports.

Q & A Supplement Review regarding Proposal 99-72

The following information was written by Aaron Shelley, MSS, PSN, SSC, SFT, who serves
on the CSCCa Certification Executive Board of Directors-Nutrition, and who is also a
Sports Nutritionist at Texas Tech University. It will appear in the NCAA News.
Aaron Shelley, MSS, SPN, SSC, CFT
Director of Sports Nutrition, Texas Tech University
CSCCa Board of Directors-Nutrition

Q. What is the NCAA trying to accomplish with 99-72?

A. The intent of the proposal was to identify permissible categories of nutritional
supplements, reflecting a philosophy that proper nutrition based on sound scientific
principles is one of the tenets to optimal performance.

Q. Is 99-72 just a ban on creatine?

A. No. 99-72 is a ban on the distribution of a multitude of supplements. Creatine and
creatine containing products are just some of the many products we can no longer
distribute to our student-athletes. (See list below)

Q. Can we still provide supplements to our student-athletes?

A. Yes. We can now provide non-muscle building, non-ergogenic supplements to all of our
student-athletes year round. This is a positive change in NCAA rules. Now supplements
(permissible supplements) may be distributed during the summer as well.

Q. What specific supplements or types of have been placed on the list of non-distribution?

A. Amino Acids, Chrysin, Condroitin, Creatine (and creatine containing compounds and
mixtures), Condroitin containing products, Ginseng containing products, Glucosamine
containing products, Glycerol containing products, HMB containing products, Lcarintine
containing products, melatonin containing products, POS products (Advocare),
Protein Powders (powders with more than 30% total kcals from protein), Tribulus
containing products.

Q. Since Glutamine is not a muscle builder, but an anti-catabolic supplement, is it
permissible? Does it fall under the category of amino acid?

A. Even though Glutamine is not listed on the non-permissible list by the NCAA Competitive
Safeguards Committee, it does not mean that it is permissible. The NCAA Membership
Services Staff believes that Glutamine is considered an amino acid or has similar qualities
and therefore would not be a permissible supplement.

[pu12en12g]

all diuretics are banned by both the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) because of their use as urinary masking agents to hide doping agents like anabolic steroids (10).

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Ruby Soho,

As you can see.. the problem isn't with glycerol itself, but with the classification of glycerol as a diuretic, or diuretic related compound.

[pu12en12g]

The following helps to further explain the confusion and flip-flopping that surrounds glycerol and sporting organizations:

In 1997, the United States Olympic Committee announced the addition of glycerol to the banned substances list. The USOC ban is based on glycerol being classified as a diuretic, since in high doses (1 to 2 g per kg) it can be used to "make weight."

Glycerol hyperhydration may also confer an unfair athletic advantage by reducing heat stress. Several studies have suggested that glycerol hyperhydration increases plasma volume and sweat rate, thereby reducing body temperature and improving performance during prolonged exercise in warm weather. Glycerol may provide more substrate energy (glycerol is broken down to dehydroxyacetone).

In one of the first studies, T. Lyons (a graduate student) and colleagues at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque found that glycerol hyperhydration was more effective than water hyperhydration in reducing the thermal stress of moderate exercise in the heat (see Lyons, 1990). The subjects consumed either 1 g of glycerol per kg along with 21.4 ml of water per kg (glycerol trial) or 21.4 ml of water per kg (water trial). Two and one half hours after fluid ingestion, the subjects exercised on a treadmill at 60% of VO2Max in dry heat (42 degrees C) for two hours. The urine volume prior to exercise was decreased in the glycerol trial compared to the water trial, indicating a glycerol-induced hyperhydration. During exercise in the heat, the glycerol trial caused an elevated sweat rate and lowered body temperature compared to the water trial.

In a later double-blind, crossover study, Paul Montner, M.D. and colleagues at the Veterans Administration Hospital in Albuquerque, New Mexico evaluated the effect of glycerol hyperhydration and carbohydrate oral replacement solution (ORS) on thermoregulation and endurance performance (see Montner, 1996). In the first part of the study, the subjects consumed either 1.2 g of glycerol per kg along with 26 ml of water per kg (glycerol trial) or 26 ml of water per kg (water trial) before exercise. The subjects cycled on two separate days at 65% of VO2Max in a neutral laboratory environment. Glycerol hyperhydration was associated with a significantly longer endurance time (93.8 minutes) and lower heart rate (2.8 beats/minute) compared to water hyperhydration (77.4 minutes).

In the second part of the study, both water and glycerol hyperhydration regimens were followed by ORS every 20 minutes during exercise (3 ml per kg of a 5% dextrose solution). Glycerol hyperhydration with ORS was associated with a significantly longer endurance time (123.4) and lower heart rate (4.4 beats/minute) compared to water hyperhydration with ORS (99.3 minutes). The study indicated that pre-exercise glycerol hyperhydration lowered heart rate and improved endurance even when combined with ORS. The authors speculated that an increased stroke volume and expanded plasma volume were responsible for the benefits associated with glycerol hyperhydration.

[Skigazzi]

I like how "Calorie Replacement Drinks" are permissable, and "Weight Gainers" are not.....wtf...

[beau_zo_brehm]

As you can see.. the problem isn't with glycerol itself, but with the classification of glycerol as a diuretic, or diuretic related compound.

The impermissable list dosn't refer to banned substances, and although the NCAA bans diuretics, they don't list glycerol. Don't you think someone should contact the NCAA and verify whether or not glycerol is actually a banned substance?

[pu12en12g]

The impermissable list dosn't refer to banned substances, and although the NCAA bans diuretics, they don't list glycerol. Don't you think someone should contact the NCAA and verify whether or not glycerol is actually a banned substance?

I suggest that you read the thread and links provided

[beau_zo_brehm]

I suggest that you read the thread and links provided

This thread? (that I started btw) Or the GlycerGrow writeup? I've read both, and I'm still confused..

edit: nvm, thanks for the reply in the other thread

[pu12en12g]

This thread? (that I started btw) Or the GlycerGrow writeup? I've read both, and I'm still confused..

I wouldn't feel bad about it, because these are major sporting organizations that are also confused about it. You have at least 4 more years before I would recommend that you even TRY glycerol

More info that might help:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...0&postcount=10

[dp13368]

Just for anyone interested in the new CL product.

Just FYI for anyone else who is interested in taking this and is a college athlete.

It looks like it is OK as glycerol is not listed as one of the diuretics banned, found here:

http://www1.ncaa.org/membership/ed_o...ug_classes.pdf

[JRRBadBoy4Life]

I like how "Calorie Replacement Drinks" are permissable, and "Weight Gainers" are not.....wtf...

They dont want their athletes getting fat.