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Funny how racist the IFBB is - after all, a cuban born black man won the title in the late sixties.

And as far as the racial undertones of American marketing you do realize that blacks make up...

Why are there no references? I would like to see some literature references showing that it only inhibits the 1 type of enzyme.

I think some people in this thread (and out there in the world) are confusing coumarin with coumadin. Coumarin is found naturally in many plants. Coumadin is an anticoagulent drug that is a...

You don't honestly believe that they didn't have access to drugs in the seventies do you? Almost all of the anabolics, cytadren, nolvadex, clomid, insulin and lasix were available in the seventies...

I was joking because he is a master orater.

Judging from the way he talks, I might think he had a stroke. JK :)

Then Paul Dillet would be the undisputed champ. Most people (including myself and most judges) feel that excessive vascularity DETRACTS from a physique. Might look good in a side show but not on a...

Now that (Vic) is a bodybuilding physique -- not a fridge and actually has abs with size.

You and all the silly people who have him in second will see how wrong you are tomorrow night -- If he gets third it is a travesty -- he should get no higher than 5th.

I am so tired of hearing about vascularity -- you wanna see big destended veins then go to the nursing home -- those old people's veins stick out real far. I want to see big shredded muscle. Who...

God I hope neither Jay nor Ronnie win this so that all this Jay vs ronnie and vice versa crap can die already -- they are both less than ideal from an asthetics standpoint -- If this was just about...

See tyhat area right in the center of the body -- those are called abs. Welcome back to bodybuilding abs, we have missed you.

Ronnie is more asthetically pleasing to me than cutler -- I am not a big fan of cutler's physique at all, but the fact is, he was tight and more separated than ronnie. I love Vince Taylor but he is...

You would prefer a guy with one lat? Oh but he's vasular though -- maybe we should call it "veinbuilding" instead of bodybuilding. Or the Blood Pressure olympics perhaps.

you can't see the sartorius on either of them, but Jay's serratus looks better . Jays abs always look like **** in that pose becase he vacuums. I hate all this Jay vs Ronnie crap because they are not...

another smart poster. I reiterate, he is in better condition than ronnie but IMO they both look like crap compared to some of the other guys out there.

Yes, and apparently that is how the judges saw it too. They both look pretty smooth to me but Ronnie is more off.

Yeah, He was a great champ but he is that off --That is what I think is SHOULD be but I think what it will be is :

1: Jay or Vic
2 Jay or Vic
3 Dex
4 Ronnie
5 Melvin

And I only put cutler second because he is defending champ

1.Victor Martinez
2.Cutler
3.Dexter Jackson
4.Gustavo Badell
5.Johnnie Jackson
6.Ronnie Coleman