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    You would never big up my product 'shock'..Well...

    You would never big up my product 'shock'..Well of course you would not, you work for AAEFX!

    I am not selling a product to the general public, hence I am free to talk about the truth based on real...
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    But you just told me there is a limit so what is...

    But you just told me there is a limit so what is it? pick your study on creatine monohydrate and tell me whats the limit in muscle creatine mmol/kg.



    Sure that's because its not there...


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    By the way the limit we talk about in the...

    By the way the limit we talk about in the animation was one of the retention of high creatine levels in muscle not and ability to make even higher levels. Just to maintain those achievable by...
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    Still wrong what the upper level according to...

    Still wrong what the upper level according to your research when taking creatine alone? I will provide the study showing higher?

    Thanks for referencing my supervisor (Prof Roger Harris) he has a...
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    One more point...The same issues of conflict of...

    One more point...The same issues of conflict of interest comes up. So if I was so concerned about success over science why would I run a study on products sold by companies who pay the bills. I am a...
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    Clearly not a scientist...You need to consider...

    Clearly not a scientist...You need to consider what causes the so called 'ceiling' you talk about. Example carnitine has a ceiling, give it with carbs and you increase uptake into muscle. Similarly,...
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    Yes it was conducted at an independent lab we...

    Yes it was conducted at an independent lab we never touch the products or had it tested in our labs as we know how litigious people can be!
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    Please name me one published study on...

    Please name me one published study on Kre-Alkalyn? Not inhouse trials but one peer review published in an academic journal and presented at a conference (Full paper or abstract)? Not you in house...
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    We never developed liposphere to be influence...

    We never developed liposphere to be influence creatine stability. The deliver technology was designed for the food industry and thats where it is at the moment. A side effect was that it did protect...
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    The issue here is that CEE did not change muscle...

    The issue here is that CEE did not change muscle creatine levels for almost a month with CM taking only 6 days. You also have to take on-board that's when giving double the recommended dose of CEE. ...
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    Have you read the full paper? Its is in-line...

    Have you read the full paper?

    Its is in-line with other studies and basic principle to do with the adaptive responses to resistance training. These were "non-resistance" trained subjects. As such...
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    CEE Re-Debunked 2009

    Enjoy...

    http://www.jissn.com/content/6/1/6
  • I never said worthless, just not as stable as CM...

    I never said worthless, just not as stable as CM under the conditions of which we tested all products. I make no performance conclusions.

    DocT
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    Remember what you said here and keep checking the...

    Remember what you said here and keep checking the literature....A lot of people knocked our work which was based of a good theoretical premise!

    Validation is a great feeling!
  • Sure but that's only half the story unless you...

    Sure but that's only half the story unless you can measure changes in the KM of the transports you really don't know what is going on in the muscle. We have some rodent/in vitro work which suggests...
  • What is your point?

    What is your point?
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    Yes you eluded to and brought me into the debate....

    Yes you eluded to and brought me into the debate. If you don't want to instigate discussion with me then please only comment on your own research and not mine.

    As regards contacting aaefx I have...
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    I would of left this but since you brought my...

    I would of left this but since you brought my name up!

    This study is totally bogus ask any credable scientist. Do you know publishing data pre acceptance by a journal precludes it from peer review...
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    Thats because we are not afraid to post the...

    Thats because we are not afraid to post the truth. CR-Technologies is about controlled delivery systems and microencapsulation not creatine. And yes I stand by the high stability of creatine...
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    I don't recommend any...I say read the research...

    I don't recommend any...I say read the research and make up your mind from that. There is clearly enough evidence on what does and what does not work. People on these boards are pretty resourceful...
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