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is it still around and is it the same compound...

took havoc twice...never went over 30mg a day..second cycle i stayed a 20mg a day until the bottle was gone...bout 6 weeks..that went really well actually..

as for a stack, i am not very familiar...

oh yea lol..i have been around these for a while..


i just hate to change what works..

the diamethizine or however u spell it looks tempting..

i have taken the listed PH's above and seen good results from all of them..M-drol beinng the best and havoc just behind with less sides...M-Drol shut me down hard...

I am planning a cycle by...

pretty good..i have ran a light havoc cycle since..i like it a whole lot better less sides and steady gains..i had awesome results on 20mg of havoc a day until finishing bottle...and even missed a...

more or less a clean bulk/cut...i am about 11% bf 212lbs ..i may hit 3000 total cals a day ...i just dont want the bloat due to it being summer and all...i have fooled with quite a few ph's..just...

wow just saw this..cam back quickly but man was it trashed in the beginning

can i use it? I have m drol but man is shut my libido down the first time..havoc worked great but i am out and have a bottle of pplex..any thoughts..just dont wanna loose the libido and bloat all to...

anyone thinks it is necessary to get the keto strips to see if you are in ketosis..or just a waste of money?

thanks..i think i am going to give the keto a shot..how about cardio..how much and what kind...i think my energy with be shot all to hell with no carbs...i feel terrible right now...i have had about...

i need a flat out change in my diet/lifestyle..

quick overview..
Started working out 2.5-3yrs ago...

lost 70-80lbs...got down to 180
now up to about 215..prolly 14% BF


my problem is my...

just subbed in..havent been of bb.com for a while..great log..

if u dont mind, has libido taken a hit?

also read about m-drol earlyier in your log..good call on not taking that..
It shut my...

any libido issues while on havoc... i took it last year but dont recall any..

M-drol shut my ass down for 3+ weeks even with torem..cant have that again..plus i got a extra bottle of havoc..

gonna hit the gym for the first time in pct tomorrow...

as for doing it again,sure why not..the worst thing imo was the libido issue which still hasnt been solved..i think the torem will take care...

wow torem liquid tasts like ****...man its terrible..should have went with flavored chemicals...

this **** numbs your mouth for a few

looks good man..my pct starts tomorrow.. good luck...

Last day...I need PCT reccomendations..I have torem...

Weight 211.2...

overall cycle went well...no major sides to report...had a terrible back pump yesterday...first ever really...

I would...

Weight 210.2 highest weight as far as AM goes...

ha i just said something about joint pain in my thread..its a mofo...my elbows are definately paying..

Things have been going pretty good..strength has been nice..joint pain has been pretty aggrivating...cycle is almost over..libido still blows...

Diet hasnt ben great this week..just off and on.......