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Yes, like VPX NO-Shotgun and MP Assault, this is another good Pre-WO full of great and proven ingredients (Creatine, BCAAs, b-alanine, citrulline malate,...)!

Basically, lots of stims and nothing else, IMO.

Based on ingredients, basically it's simply b-alanine and creatine nitrate (plus stims, which are in almost all the pre-wo).

I'm not saying it's bad, but is incomplete, I think.

I haven't tried it, but based on ingredients I think VPX NO-Shotgun must be good (Hydrolysate, Creatine, b-Alanine, Citrulline Malate, COP,... all the basics and proved, plus a bunch of other things)...

That's true!



5km in 20mins is great!


I would like to try Strive in this:
http://www.naturetrails.es/index.php/home/index/en

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Apart of bodybuilding i often run in long distance trail races, and this looks great for these endurance races!!!

IMO, the point is not about effectiveness/risks of compounds, the problem is why BB/FDA must say to us what supps we can take or not?

http://www.anthonyroberts.info/2011/04/bodybuilding-com-bans-usnic-acid-piracetam-37-keto-dhea-33-diiodo-l-thyronine-and-35-diiodo-l-thyronine/

BB.com s*cks!!

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lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll be the bullet... a big, muscular, and heavy bullet surrounded by skinny runners, xDDD

Thanks Peter, I'll add caffeine too.

I forgot taurine! I've read it can help with cramping.

So CM + BA + Cordyceps + BCAA + Taurine... and mental strength!

Yes, I think creatine is not necesary for these kind of races.

I lift from monday to friday from years ago, and I love hiking and run trail races on weekends.

The race I said is a 101 km with...

Hmmm good ideas here.

I've a 100 Km trail race soon. Maybe i'll try BA+CM+BCAA+Cordyceps during the competition. Not so sure about creatine.

Yes, I know this is a bodybuilding forum, but I suppose many of us do another sports too.

I run in long distance trail races. Do you know any supplements than could help me during the competition?...

I know that, both are great and both are differents. But I like CM and BA, and Body Octane has it in good dosing, this is why i think Strive + Body Octane will be a good stack for me.

I'm a bit disappointment. Yes, we can stack Strive + Ultima, but with 2 servings of Ultima per day it last for only 20 days (and you get only 1.5gr of Citrulline).

I think Strive + Body Octane...

Well, Strive will be expensive:


So I hope it have BA+CM in it so i will not have to stack it.

I think the Malic Acid bonded to Critulline intermediates in the Krebs cycle and recharge body's energy system and muscle endurance.

¿Citrulline alone do the same?