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    Yes...especially since high jumpers use poles. ...

    Yes...especially since high jumpers use poles.

    Perhaps you were referring to the pole vault?
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    There is such a thing as a weight-dropper...but...

    There is such a thing as a weight-dropper...but all that does is decrease weight for the entire eccentric phase of the lift...i don't think that is what you want.
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    I would bet that by doing them at an angle that...

    I would bet that by doing them at an angle that is not the same angle you are going to compete at, then you'll be working extra muscles that you don't want.
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    If you are able to lift more weight at a certain...

    If you are able to lift more weight at a certain angle without attempting to use more muscle, then the added weight is probably because of a mechanical leverage advantage of the angle.
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    Ok I am retracting all of my statements about...

    Ok I am retracting all of my statements about what effects bodyfat actually has on athleticism as well as all statements about how you have to train all 3 or 4 (whatever it was we decided on) aspects...
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    Endurance is continuous movement for a long...

    Endurance is continuous movement for a long amount of time...no rests inbetween.
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    I guess you could call then techical-athletes.

    I guess you could call then techical-athletes.
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    boxing: ok , fair enough....but for some...

    boxing: ok , fair enough....but for some people....running speed is important so you can run away from your opponant! (J/K!)

    soccer: you were the one who just made the strength-speed...
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    *whoops...double posted here* some oly lifters...

    *whoops...double posted here*

    some oly lifters and powerlifters i would call stregnth-atheltes (ok...maybe they are fast...although i don't count 10 yrd or 40 yrd dashes as speed...but they don't...
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    Also...i just had a thought...maybe this might...

    Also...i just had a thought...maybe this might clear some things up for you guys.

    Anytime i have typed the word "athlete", by itself...you can assume i meant to say "all-around athlete".

    What...
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    Ping pong is a sport. The competitors in ping...

    Ping pong is a sport. The competitors in ping pong usually don't even train any of the three...they only train their technique co-ordination.
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    1)this is true....and by sport we'll just assume...

    1)this is true....and by sport we'll just assume you meant competition. It is pointless to train without competition...unless you are simply doing it for health benefits/looking better....but i would...
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    That is a good guess...but i have nothing to be...

    That is a good guess...but i have nothing to be jealous of powerlifters or strongmen. Sure, they can lift alot more weight than me, so what? There is more to life than lifting weights.

    The i've...
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    I'm glad that you will no longer post on this...

    I'm glad that you will no longer post on this thread! Because so far you have made no arguements...only tried to insult me in hopes that i would "come to my senses", or whatever it is that you were...
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    Well we might as well drop the flexability...

    Well we might as well drop the flexability aspect. I think we can all agree on that, so there really is just 3 aspects that you should train to be considered an athlete. And yes *high* bodyfat does...
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    I consider myself an athlete because i train the...

    I consider myself an athlete because i train the three important areas of athleticism, speed, strength, and endurance.

    The only thing bf% has to do with being an athlete is looks. I ,personally,...
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    1) i can't think of professional athlete that...

    1) i can't think of professional athlete that doesn't train for speed, strength, adn endurance. I can only think of PL'ers and WSM who only traion for strength. Sprinters obviously train for speed...
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    I mentioned 4 aspects (speed, strength,...

    I mentioned 4 aspects (speed, strength, endurance, flexability)...most sports also require technique co-ordination training...in other wrods, learning technique. I didn't really mention the last one...
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    What is so hard for you guys to consider that...

    What is so hard for you guys to consider that there are THREE...THREE!!!!!!!! *other* aspects of athleticism than muscular strength?!?!?

    i must admit..i am VERY impressed with Mr. Hamman's...
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    The body of an athlete doesn't need a certain...

    The body of an athlete doesn't need a certain shape, or height, or even beauty. But IMO, atheltes naturally, through training all 4 aspects, have bodies with low bf. Low bf also helps with all-around...
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