I think everyone writing them off has truth and falsehood. I personally love APE... and every time I run it I get fuller, lifts go up and size... AND others mention/notice.
You’ll be fine if you have your diet and routine together. I was doing MMA while trying to bulk and was successful. You’ll just have to adjust where you see necessary and your calories will need to...
And there's a nutrishop rep here with a sample booth. So I decided to talk to him and ask questions and by the end of it, he told me controlled labs (white flood and green mag specifically), gaspari,...
GreenMag has some extra things thrown in, definately makes a difference imo. Haven't had the bloating effect either, and I've tried creatine mono twice.