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    My majority of time on this program was during my...

    My majority of time on this program was during my cut and my legs, chest and back grew. Especially, my legs! When I jumped into my bulk, my squat jumped from around 200 to 240 really fast. Keep in...
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    I agree with you 100%. People become over...

    I agree with you 100%. People become over zealous too fast when they find a program they like, a theory or concept of a particular aspect in lifting and they all of a sudden push it upon others like...
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    I agree with that. But as you near the end of...

    I agree with that. But as you near the end of your beginner phase or rank novice stage as some say, then it's not a problem to jump down to 2x a week. Here is what I'm getting at. I don't believe...
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    Indeed they are simple concepts. I just don't...

    Indeed they are simple concepts. I just don't think that 3x a week is the end all be all. A p/p/l can still be performed 2x a week btw and I wouldn't be so fast as to say it's inferior to 3x a...
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    Thanks, me too!

    Thanks, me too!
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    I was curious because I was still making good...

    I was curious because I was still making good gains. Just unfortunate my nervous system gave out. I benched (for reps) 190, squated 255, and deadlift 250. Deadlift lagged behind significantly...
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    Cool man, thanks for the knowledge. Repped.

    Cool man, thanks for the knowledge. Repped.
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    One more thing out of curiosity. People on ICF...

    One more thing out of curiosity. People on ICF 5x5, are they considered novice by lifting below a certain amount on their 1rm or what they lift for the routine? For example: If I lift 190 on bench...
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    Ahh crap, that's right. I just looked at it...

    Ahh crap, that's right. I just looked at it briefly last night as Litres recommended it. What do you think of the program though?
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    What about Lyle McDonalds bulking routine? I was...

    What about Lyle McDonalds bulking routine? I was thinking about trying his PPL twice a week. He even stated if the volume is too much, scale back on sets. His program seems legit and I'll get to...
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    My first point was in reply to when you said "I...

    My first point was in reply to when you said "I said what i said to address the feelings of being slightly tired and a little sore (Basically when an individual is just being a wuss)"
    I was just...
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    That's just the thing i cannot stand. People...

    That's just the thing i cannot stand. People thinking that I'm just complaining about the heavy work and cannot do it. Dude, I've been in the Marines and I was infantry. I have the mentality to...
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    I've taken off an entire week already a while...

    I've taken off an entire week already a while back. It didn't take long for me to hit a wall again. One thing I have noticed though is that I really need to work on my mobility. My muscles are...
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    I can lift the weight. It's what my body tells...

    I can lift the weight. It's what my body tells me outside the gym. No point in being retarded when my body is on the brink of breakdown and continuing to lift the same heavy ass weight that caused...
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    So are you telling me that me waking up on cold...

    So are you telling me that me waking up on cold sweats and waking up 3 times within an hour. Feeling tired all day. Feeling irritable. Having muscle and joint aches. Lack of energy throughout day....
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    True. I'm not saying age is the only factor. ...

    True. I'm not saying age is the only factor. And again with the story of "he can do this and they do that"...That's fine but not everyone can
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    There is a point where a beginner cannot sustain...

    There is a point where a beginner cannot sustain this type of workout. You guys are advocating the more is better philosophy and are saying its the sure fire way and all I can say to that is good...
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    Not everyone can handle the progression of...

    Not everyone can handle the progression of working out 3 times a week. Especially if you're older and have already made lots of gains. You're still light and young. Wait until you get your LBM up...
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    Thanks, I'll check it out!

    Thanks, I'll check it out!
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