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    Hehe, yeah that is an advantage. You're right I...

    Hehe, yeah that is an advantage. You're right I should compare them since the IM offers more positions and is more versatile.
    I'm getting close to finally picking up one since my current bench is...
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    That is a decent price, but don't deadlift with...

    That is a decent price, but don't deadlift with those 20s. They're too low
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    Thanks for pointing that out. The york bench you...

    Thanks for pointing that out. The york bench you recommended looks like a nice sturdy bench. I couldn't find the weight capacity for it but it weighs 47kg so I'm guessing it's at least 600lbs.

    I...
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    Hehe, yeah it does look a like a monster bench. I...

    Hehe, yeah it does look a like a monster bench. I think you're right when you say it is conservative. I've seen benches that weight half as much rated to 800-100lbs.

    Don't know if they're...
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    http://www.sweatband.com/york-multifunctional-benc...

    http://www.sweatband.com/york-multifunctional-bench.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiAzvmkBRCm3ZbV-4-hwrYBEiQAgLOw68bqowtYYs9smCwRaicrkxW1FFpdoZzE413kQcZ_NNYaAkSY8P8HAQ

    This york sts could also be a...
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    Thanks for that detailed analysis. It helped me...

    Thanks for that detailed analysis. It helped me see the benefits of each bench

    I don't do decline much. It would be nice to have the option but not essential.

    I do flat bench, incline and...
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    Maybe bodycraft f430 or powertec. Don't know the...

    Maybe bodycraft f430 or powertec. Don't know the retail price in the US though
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    Thanks for the reply, the decline does look a bit...

    Thanks for the reply, the decline does look a bit awkward. Yep, I checked the IM and it's £356 with shipping and the decline attachment. I don't want to spend that much on it. If the IM was around...
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    Considering that the barbarian will come out...

    Considering that the barbarian will come out about at about £400 with shipping the F320 looks like a much better deal at £200.
    Do you have the leg extension/curl attachment for it? And if so is it...
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    One of the suppliers for barbarian got back to me...

    One of the suppliers for barbarian got back to me with a shipping quote. 225 euros. Not worth it at that price, it's almost as much as the bench. The other one is away until January so I'm waiting...
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    I can't see either before I buy so I based that...

    I can't see either before I buy so I based that on the photos and the descriptions which list the IM at 60lbs without the seat or 74lbs total shipping weight and the barbarian at 92lbs.
    If you...
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    Yeah, at least the seat pad isn't extra with...

    Yeah, at least the seat pad isn't extra with ironmaster.

    I think I'm going to choose between the barbarian one I listed before and this barbarian bench...
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    Another thing I didn't like about the ironmaster...

    Another thing I didn't like about the ironmaster was that everything was extra. Fair enough charging more a preacher curl and leg extension but charging extra for the wheels is over the top.
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    Thanks, I checked out your review. The ability to...

    Thanks, I checked out your review. The ability to decline without moving the frame back is appealing, and with shipping costs the barbarian is about £100 more expensive. I might just go for the...
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    That bison bar does look interesting for the...

    That bison bar does look interesting for the price. The Ohio is 206k I believe. I'd like to hold out for the Ohio so I could decide between that and the TPB but I'm hoping it won't take them too long...
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    Still haven't decided on bench. I found this...

    Still haven't decided on bench. I found this barbarian warrior bench www.fitness-seller.nl/barbarian-warrior-multi-bench-zwart/ which looks much more robust than the ironmaster. Don't know if it has...
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    I emailed rogue Europe about the ohio power bar...

    I emailed rogue Europe about the ohio power bar and they said they hope to get it in stock but don't have a date. It would be interesting to see if it's cheaper than the TPB
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    The cheaper strength shop one doesn't sound very...

    The cheaper strength shop one doesn't sound very good, rated to 700lbs but they recommend you only load it up with 200kg. The more expensive one should be better but I've never tried it so can't...
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    I checked out that bulldog bar. It looks like a...

    I checked out that bulldog bar. It looks like a crossfit/olympic lifting type bar since there's no center knurl for squats.
    I'm in the same position, looking for a decent bar but not sure I want to...
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    Rogue doesn't have the ohio power bar in Europe...

    Rogue doesn't have the ohio power bar in Europe only the oly one with no center knurling which doesn't sound like it suits your needs. I'd get the TPB even though it is pricey over here. Where did...
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