I have also heard the same thing.
Save your money no fat burners on the market that are legal in Australia are worth it, just eat clean and stop looking for short cuts that wont work!
Only drink 1-2 a month when we go out to the city/clubs.
Hasn't hindered gains yet and i still have a good time, have heaps of water and some food before bed and you wont feel hungover!
Don't know about extreme but your Metabolism does slow down as you get older, so why not take advantage of this and have a proper/Clean diet that will allow us to make constant gains and build an...