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And for some reason his legs are way down in size compared to his upper body. Thus, his lines are WAY OFF.

I'm going to ride the fence.

Arnold was way ahead of his time. Yet he did lack great legs and his back while thick as a house...never seemed that wide. Maybe his lat control sucked and he couldn't...

Jay had a chance for 3 wins, said he was more focused and ready for the 08...and came in awful. With Dex winning, that looks as if the judges want lines, condition and size. Jay has size, but...

No kidding, 240-250 ripped and natural...no way

Heath is NO JOKE! And in that pic, he is wider than Dex and maybe only the camera angle...close to as wide as Jay. Look at the pic, he is atleast from that angle close to Jay in width.

Respect, yea. And seeing you know him and seem to be a friend to some degree. I won't be rude.

But, if Jay is doing the O in 09...he will get no better than 4th. Dex, Heath, Wolf(hopefuly on this...

If you had not been born for 4 more years, they are gene munipulating now. Meaning had your parents somehow known you wanted to be a BBer...they could of had your DNA altered before birth. Scarey...

LMFAO

Bet he aint smiling now...

Ofcourse he is natural...so is Jay and his Muscletech

LMFAO...."Yeah Buddy...Light Weight"

But, could Ronnie get past Jesus in his best shape?

Shawn is a great BBer. If he came back and looked close or the same as in the past...he could easily win some 202 shows.

But, can he get in that shape at 40+

That I agree with, except I don't feel AMI and MT get the best...some yes.

I just hoped that if Jay was off...and he was, they wouldn't give it to him like in 07. Vic was just robbed in 07, we...

Ahhh crap...I thought 2yrs in a row taught him. We will now see the banner:

DEX vs Jay MR.O 09

When Jay will NO DOUBT after 2 bad shows...look the same.

I agree to a point Bob, and I respect you. But, AMI/MT seem to bring home wins at the O very easy. And I belive you said you felt Vic had it in 07...but Jay won(AMI/MT) and he looked like utter crap....

Same...but in time I think Phil will set the standard on that shot.

Thats my point, so did AMI grab Dex to make sure nobody would complain if Jay was off...an AMI guy still would win.

Seeing according to many reports in the mags...Jay won't be in the 09 Mr. O...remember his wife wants him to take time off for a BABY. I'll say:

1- Heath/Dex

2- Heath/Dex

3- Wolf

4- Kai

Ok, being a trainer everyone was talking about the O monday. And 3 guys feel Dex jumped to AMI so that if Jay was off(and was) he would win. Now, I like Dex, and hope that isn't the case. However I...

I agree with that. Jay looks like crap(2x now) and watch him win.

He is maybe 1-2% better then last year...he is NOT Mr. O and if they give it to him it will be a dark day in the BB world.