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time travel
I wish i could go back to the past and stock up on a lifetime supply of Hydroxycut with ephedra. the ephedra free version sucks !
and for some reason it seemed to work better than buying ephedra hcl + caffeine pills separately.
I would also not have f***d this nasty fat girl when i was drunk but thats a different forum
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What is selling best for us right now is Lipo6. Customers love it, but since ephedra there seems to be a new top seller customers are after every three months or so.
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[QUOTE=bornkilla]I wish i could go back to the past and stock up on a lifetime supply of Hydroxycut with ephedra. the ephedra free version sucks !
and for some reason it seemed to work better than buying ephedra hcl + caffeine pills separately.
I would also not have f***d this nasty fat girl when i was drunk but thats a different forum[/QUOTE]
....lol....what does that have to do with an EC stack?????
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[QUOTE=Ephedra]....lol....what does that have to do with an EC stack?????[/QUOTE]
I guess the EC distorted his ability to see through the beer googles.
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[QUOTE=pu12en12g]I have to admit... I'm absolutely SHOCKED at how you phrased that.[/QUOTE]
Clen did nothing for me either.
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time travel
it has to do with the ec stack because i remember having mad energy. also being able to bench press 250 was helpfull in this situation as well. that girl was mighty hardy. tasted like jerky.
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done some research
after searching for days, on all type of forums (searched polls, reviews, and threads). It has come down to the following as the best overall stack for fat loss.
EC + sesathin + fish oil + green tea
does anybody agree ?
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[QUOTE=bornkilla]after searching for days, on all type of forums (searched polls, reviews, and threads). It has come down to the following as the best overall stack for fat loss.
EC + sesathin + fish oil + green tea
does anybody agree ?[/QUOTE]
Fish Oil should be a permanent staple of your diet, but otherwise, yes.
Flagg
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im immune to the ec stack...sucks really does...but oh well lipo 6 better work
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[QUOTE=Twin Peak]Personally, E/C works as a nice appetite suppresant, but does not aid fatloss.
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Why do you think that? (considering there is a lot of good evidence to the contrary)
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[QUOTE=creed428]best illegal fat burners
1. DNP
2. Clen + T3
best legal fat burner
EC[/QUOTE]
DNP , hands down, the best, and if you know how to handle the sides, its awesome.
No muscle loss whatsoever like Clen/T3 and no jitters like EC. Just sweat, eat and sleep.
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[QUOTE=Twin Peak]Clen did nothing for me either.[/QUOTE]
Are your receptors downregulated? Ever tried some keitofen or benadryl 2 weeks prior to the cycle. Do you take any other decongestant or asthma meds?
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[QUOTE=zahriya]im immune to the ec stack...sucks really does...but oh well lipo 6 better work[/QUOTE]
benadryl for 2 weeks and then cycle 3 weeks off, your receptors should be pretty decent after that.
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[QUOTE=Phosphate bond]Why do you think that? (considering there is a lot of good evidence to the contrary)[/QUOTE]
Like myself, it is just something he has personally made note of.
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[QUOTE=Krzna]Are your receptors downregulated? Ever tried some keitofen or benadryl 2 weeks prior to the cycle. Do you take any other decongestant or asthma meds?[/QUOTE]
I'm speaking on his behalf here because he has already commented about it earlier in this thread, but we still get appetite suppression and stimulation from ephedrine (although i notice practically nadda from clenbuterol, not sure about him), so i doubt it has anything to do with adrenergic receptor downregulation.
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Have you tried using yohimbe instead of epethrine then ? if you are immunde to ephedring that is.
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[QUOTE=bornkilla]Have you tried using yohimbe instead of epethrine then ? if you are immunde to ephedring that is.[/QUOTE]
I sure have.
Orally, it's nothing special - especially considering i don't run low carb diets. Topically it is nice. I like LipoDerm-Ultra a lot.
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[QUOTE=Phosphate bond]Why do you think that? (considering there is a lot of good evidence to the contrary)[/QUOTE]
Note the first word in my sentence -- "personally". And when qualified accordingly, there is NO evidence to the contrary.
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[QUOTE=Robboe]I'm speaking on his behalf here because he has already commented about it earlier in this thread, but we still get appetite suppression and stimulation from ephedrine (although i notice practically nadda from clenbuterol, not sure about him), so i doubt it has anything to do with adrenergic receptor downregulation.[/QUOTE]
Indeed.
As I have said elsewhere, very little "works" for me the way it does for others.
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I've noticed people close to me who are not intense exercisers, and probably haven't learned to push their bodies, get great results from E/C. There have been interesting studies showing improved performance from E/C and my thinking is that it helps them push their limits to another degree more than they are used to.
I do get some fat loss from E/C, but I absolutely dread the sides and the burnout that I get very quickly, even when using relatively low doses.
I don't think E/C is the best, healthiest, consistent approach to fat loss. I prefer to limit its use and look for something that can be taken consistently and even has health benefits. ie.. EGCG, Sesamin, Fish/flax oil, Forskolin and things enhance fat loss via mproved insulin function.
Isn't DNP like dangerous?
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cycling e/c is the way to do it. I like the 5 days on 2 days off for 4 weeks approach. then 2-3 weeks off.
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Good ole days
I wish Syntrax would come back as they were in '99'.....Adipokinetix (lost 20 lbs in 30days) Lipokinetix (1st true exercise in a bottle) and Triax (Way before Trimax was thought of) anyone? It sucks how theyre products were so effective years ago that the FDA had to screw with them.
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[QUOTE=Vegas Lord]I wish Syntrax would come back as they were in '99'.....Adipokinetix (lost 20 lbs in 30days) Lipokinetix (1st true exercise in a bottle) and Triax (Way before Trimax was thought of) anyone? It sucks how theyre products were so effective years ago that the FDA had to screw with them.[/QUOTE]
You mean Usnic Acid products? Did'nt people prove that they aren't very effective at a safe dose?
Triax is the same as Trimax is i'm not mistaken, both contain tiractricol.
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[QUOTE=Vegas Lord]I wish Syntrax would come back as they were in '99'.....Adipokinetix (lost 20 lbs in 30days) Lipokinetix (1st true exercise in a bottle) and Triax (Way before Trimax was thought of) anyone? It sucks how theyre products were so effective years ago that the FDA had to screw with them.[/QUOTE]
yea its definately making things harder. Now superdrol is not going to be made anymore perhaps the fda was going to do something to the manufacturer who knows why they stop production on this product. Soon enough I bet the fda is going to come down on ATD products / creatine in the next 5 years it just speculation but the pharmecuticals companies are great lobyist and they don't like the fact that we can purchase supplements from other companies. All i know if the fda bans any further weight loss products i may need to hit crystal meth (best weightloss product) lol
just kidding crystal meth is the worse **** ever I would only take that junk if im suicidal. And please i don't want to see any posts about some noob where can i find crystal meth ? lol