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i have a question :) .. i can't stand the oil so i was wondering if it`s ok to eat like 200 gr of hazelnuts to make my fats .. it would be like 120 gr of fat (i need 140) and 28 carbs (from which half are fibers) .. does it sound ok or it`s stupid? :)
thanks
[QUOTE=allina;14724711]i have a question :) .. i can't stand the oil so i was wondering if it`s ok to eat like 200 gr of hazelnuts to make my fats .. it would be like 120 gr of fat (i need 140) and 28 carbs (from which half are fibers) .. does it sound ok or it`s stupid? :)
thanks[/QUOTE]
How about butter, salad dressing, mayo, almond butter, different kinds of nuts, cheese, fatty cuts of meat?
lol, there's isn't only one way to get your fats
yup, you are right.. but i loveeee hazelnuts and sometimes there are days when all i wanna eat is hazelnuts.. and thast's why i was asking if there is any problem.. i wouldn't eat them every day :D
[QUOTE=skitman1080;14593061]cool cool. thanks for the responses guys. I am really interested in trying this out and seeing how it works for me[/QUOTE]
youll love the keto diet...ive been on it since september or october i think, and i love it...after a while it becomes a lifestyle and you forget youre even on a diet at all...and i persobaly have no problem with lifting either...initially i lost some stregnth but i slowly regained it back...and now am stronger thn ive ever been so dont isten the the naysayers who say you dont get stronger, or bigger becasue you do...ive gotten bigger and stronger since being on keto...and i dont even put dextrose in my shake
Those of you who can tell if putting dex or malto in your PWO shake helps you or not, how do you tell?
General recovery, strength in following workout.
I need some help guys. I have been cutting was 264 @ 20% bf down to 247 now. Need to get shredded by may. I was thinking in february to start a keto diet.
I need help figuring out what types of foods to eat. A few questions.....
1. Please help with food choices. I don't want to eat bacon sandwiches every meal, etc. I want to eat as healthy as I can. So any no carb food ideas would be great. I am going to need to take in around 250 grams of fat a day!
2. What is the max time you should be on a keto diet? I was thinking about 6 weeks or so.
3. When it says "no carbs monday through friday afternoon" does that mean "no carbs". I mean can you eat like 10 carbs a day, 15? 20? 50? What about post workout any simple carbs at all? I mean do a few incidental carbs from nuts on your no carb days kill you or is that okay?
thanks guys, I am new to this. Although I have done some similar carb manipulation I have yet to do a true ckd.
THANKS!
No bacon sandwiches, bread is OUT!
Meat, fish, chicken, eggs, cheese, lots and lots of green vegetables (think avocado, asparagus, aubergine, broccoli, brussel sprouts, bok choy, beetroot greens, cabbage, celery, courgette, dandelion, fennel, green beans, kale, lettuce, mangetout, mushrooms, mustard greens, peppers, radishes, spinach, etc), cheese, butter, olive oil and olives, nuts (especially raw almonds, hazelnuts, brazil nuts, pecans, walnuts), coconuts.
Try to stick to real fresh food.
I've been on a keto diet for four years now. There's no time limit. It's a healthy diet. Oh, and saturated fat is not a health hazard, it's actually good for you, the fats to avoid are the transfats you find in deep fried and processed foods.
Most of your meals should be meat and veg, with extra fat to bring up the macros if necessary. You can subtract the fibre carbs, so most veg comes out at 1 or 2g per portion. Eat your greens, but try to avoid all other carbs, except for a small amount of dextrose post workout.
thanks!
[QUOTE=Eileen;14802261]No bacon sandwiches, bread is OUT!
Oh, and saturated fat is not a health hazard, it's actually good for you, the fats to avoid are the transfats you find in deep fried and processed foods.
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that means butter is good for health? and like butter there are many others food that have been promoted as bad things?
Yep. Margarine and all those low-fat spreads are bad, butter is good. Eggs and steak are good, all those low-fat ready meals are a disaster.
Saturated fats keep you healthy, keep your bones strong and your testosterone levels high.
if butter is healthy, i have a new question :) and i hope you don't mind .. because i am very confused .. does the keto diet affect acne?
all my life i`ve heard that if i eat many fats, especially "bad fat" i will have acne or it will get worse if i already have it.
all the dermatologist i went for acne treatment said i have to eat healthy and avoid fats (the only accepted fat is the one from olive oil) beside all the creams .. i don't have a severe acne problem, i think is just the age but i wouldn't like to be in a keto diet and have pimples more than i had when i was on a normal diet
what do you think?
do you think is true that fats produces acne or is another myth promoted by the media?
[QUOTE=allina;14931341]if butter is healthy, i have a new question :) and i hope you don't mind .. because i am very confused .. does the keto diet affect acne?
all my life i`ve heard that if i eat many fats, especially "bad fat" i will have acne or it will get worse if i already have it.
all the dermatologist i went for acne treatment said i have to eat healthy and avoid fats (the only accepted fat is the one from olive oil) beside all the creams .. i don't have a severe acne problem, i think is just the age but i wouldn't like to be in a keto diet and have pimples more than i had when i was on a normal diet
what do you think?
do you think is true that fats produces acne or is another myth promoted by the media?[/QUOTE]
Not everyone who eats a lot of fat would get acne, otherwise Proactive would have a contract for evryone on keto. :) Try it for about 2 weeks, and if you start to break out, then you'll know you're skin is extra sensitive
My 2cent opinion is, any natural non-animal fat is probably good. I think butter is too high in cholesterol which kick the ass of all its supposed benefits if any. Just eat nuts to get your fat because your body still converts the nut into energy, as opposed to directly ingesting fat in butter, it's slower release and less likely be stored.
I think some people on here will disagree with you on that about butter ^
Eileen,
Let me ask this question. I'm a powerlifter looking to get down to around 10% from a high now of 22%. I'm 270 which gives me a LBM of around 210lbs. I don't plan on doing carb up days rather getting my carbs PWO only. I lift EOD now so it will be 48 hours inbetween PWO carbs. Given this info would 15 grams PWO be enough given the amount of LBM I have. I going to follow a type of TCD so I was thinking 40-60grams PWO only. all other meals are meat, eggs, olive oil (lots of it), virgin coconut oil, chicken and salmon.. veggies are strictly broccoli and spinach... lots
What do you think I should have for a PWO carb amount? thanks
Mait
If you are doing TKD, then you're really going to have to experiment a bit and see what works for you. I'd start with straight keto, and see how your workouts go, and gradually add carbs until they feel right.
However, if you are seriously planning to get to 10% I think you are going to need some regular carb-ups. Remember, they don't have to be out of control carb binges, you can have a 12 hour carb up just above maintenance.
[QUOTE=allina;14931341]if butter is healthy, i have a new question :) and i hope you don't mind .. because i am very confused .. does the keto diet affect acne?
do you think is true that fats produces acne or is another myth promoted by the media?[/QUOTE]
There was a thread here a while about about all the guys worrying if they sounded "metrosexual" if they confessed that their skin and hair was better on keto. It was quite funny, but in practise, most people do find that they have better skin on keto.
Occasionally someone who goes from a very low fat diet to keto has skin problems, but they seem to clear up.
[QUOTE=Blindfaith;349000]The Cyclical Ketogenic Diet: True Fat Loss
2500 minus 640 (protein calories) is 1860 which works out to be around 206 fat grams a day. Now as you go deeper into the diet, and find the need to restrict calories more, you must cut fat calories, not protein.
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guys i dont understand how the fat grams a day was worked out. i got my final calories worked out to be 1773 so what is my fat grams a day
[QUOTE=dimeuleh;15121661]guys i dont understand how the fat grams a day was worked out. i got my final calories worked out to be 1773 so what is my fat grams a day[/QUOTE]
65% of 1773 = 1152 calories = 128 g of fat per day
[QUOTE=jaim91;15132101]65% of 1773 = 1152 calories = 128 g of fat per day[/QUOTE]
thank you for that..
but how did you figure it out?
im confused. from 1152 calories to give me 128 g of fat per
fat has 9 calories == >> 1152/9 = 128 gr of fat :)
can i use lemon juice in my salad? or it kicks me out of ketosis? and what about vinegar?
allina, I don't know about the lemon juice but vinegar will actually help you get closer to ketosis.. vinegar lowers blood sugar levels substancially.
thanks..but any kind of vinegar can be used? i saw vinegar from wine and vinegar from apple .. which one can i use?
ok guys, ive read through about eight pages of this post now, i was wondering if some one can post an example of what they eat every day. food as well as any supplements used. thank you.
Your salad dressing should be mostly oil and only enough lemon juice or vinegar to make an emulsion, so it doesn't really matter. The amounts will be very small.
My typical diet:
Breakfast - omlette, often cream cheese or avocado
PWO - whey and dex shake
Lunch - fish and green veg. Occasionally an organ meat like kidney or heart.
Snack - nuts or cheese or coconut. Sometimes veg soup with flax oil.
Dinner - meat and lots more vegetables.
Supper - cheese or cottage cheese or nuts/seeds. Occasionally chocolate moouse.
is it ok to eat eggs every day?
it sound good an omlette every day, would be ok to eat a 2 egg omlet every day at breakfast?
I'd say its OK to eat eggs everyday :)
Quick Q: If I order a sausage mcmuffin from McDonalds is that ok if I dont eat the muffin? :) I read that the sausage patty has 0 carbs ..
Yes, eat your eggs. They won't do you any harm at all.
Yes, you can eat the sausage on its own. 153 cals, 10g protein, 12g fat.
Ok following the guidelines from this article.
220 total > 205 lean mass.
220 g/fat
205 g/protien
2800 calories to cut. (3300 to maintain)
Carbohydrate loading phase > 90kg = 900g?!?!?!
Could anyone give me a six meal "Example" for my weight? Thanks everyone for all of your help!
[QUOTE=KieMoxie;15992041]Ok following the guidelines from this article.
220 total > 205 lean mass.
220 g/fat
205 g/protien
2800 calories to cut. (3300 to maintain)
Carbohydrate loading phase > 90kg = 900g?!?!?!
Could anyone give me a six meal "Example" for my weight? Thanks everyone for all of your help![/QUOTE]
Plug a diet into fitday.com and see where your macros take you, then adjust accordingly. Once you've put a plan together, we'd be happy to help you
Eileen, i saw you eat avocado.. isn`t that a fruit? .. is it safe to eat on keto?
and how you eat it?
hey people .... i was wondering i eat about 6 whole eggs a day and fom wat iv heard thats a sht loads of cholesterol! should i be worrieng? oh yeah and is it safe to eat avacodo? an if so how much?????
[QUOTE=kalwynclaassen;16153241]hey people .... i was wondering i eat about 6 whole eggs a day and fom wat iv heard thats a sht loads of cholesterol! should i be worrieng? oh yeah and is it safe to eat avacodo? an if so how much?????[/QUOTE]
I can tell you this much. I have been eating 6 whole eggs per day for over a month and my blood levels are all very good. Last show I did (2002) I was younger but I ate almost 10 eggs 5-6 times a week for 16 weeks. While I wouldn't recomend that I was certainly healthy and had no problems with blood pressure or cholestorol...
I just started on this keto diet. I would like to ask if the carbs present in nuts and peanuts will throw the ketosis process off balance. thx
You can eat peanuts on keto but other nuts like almonds or walnuts are better.
You can eat avocado, either raw, or as part of a salad, or in an omlette. It's a fruit, but it's so high fat that it's perfect for keto.
Probably a silly, but quick question: what does your body do with the carbs you intake while in ketosis? If it's using ketones for energy would it still use these carbs as energy first in line?
[QUOTE=xtrell;16260541]Probably a silly, but quick question: what does your body do with the carbs you intake while in ketosis? If it's using ketones for energy would it still use these carbs as energy first in line?[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming yes, unless it's your PWO card which just go straight to muscles.
[QUOTE=Eileen;16216501]You can eat peanuts on keto but other nuts like almonds or walnuts are better.[/QUOTE]
ok Thanks a lot for the reply. Keep up the good info
I have posted coments in the past about certain fats and how they are not effecting me but my trainer is giving me a hard time about keto diet and the agreement we made is that I am going to try to cut out the saturated fats from my diet so...
A. I eat 6 eggs in the am. Should I eat 6 egg whites instead?
b. 10am can of tuna / 2 tbsp mayo / 3 slice kraft whole fat cheese. Should I alter this to incorporate better? cheese?
c. 1pm 1/2 pound (raw weight) hamburger pattie in a salad with broccoli and whole fat ranch dressing. Any changes to make here? Maybe a better meat source?
d. Protein shake. I have no problems here
e. Protein shake with maltodextrin and 2 tbsp peanut butter. Should I remove the peanut butter and use almonds or walnuts or any other nuts?
Any other advice would be appreciated as I am trying to get sub 4% bodyfat for 6/2/07 and I am roughly 14%-17% now.
Thanks
[QUOTE=jay1514929;16344011]I have posted coments in the past about certain fats and how they are not effecting me but my trainer is giving me a hard time about keto diet and the agreement we made is that I am going to try to cut out the saturated fats from my diet so...
A. I eat 6 eggs in the am. Should I eat 6 egg whites instead?
b. 10am can of tuna / 2 tbsp mayo / 3 slice kraft whole fat cheese. Should I alter this to incorporate better? cheese?
c. 1pm 1/2 pound (raw weight) hamburger pattie in a salad with broccoli and whole fat ranch dressing. Any changes to make here? Maybe a better meat source?
d. Protein shake. I have no problems here
e. Protein shake with maltodextrin and 2 tbsp peanut butter. Should I remove the peanut butter and use almonds or walnuts or any other nuts?
Any other advice would be appreciated as I am trying to get sub 4% bodyfat for 6/2/07 and I am roughly 14%-17% now.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Definetely eat your eggs whole, eating only the white is degenerative.
Try Feta cheese in your tuna.
The hamburger patty is fine, just because its ground up, doesnt mean that it is bad meat. One of the best fat burning meals is ground beef, I eat mine cooked with garlic, and thats it.
The only thing wrong with the 2 tbsp of peanut butter is the carbs in it, but its only about 4 grams total for the 2 tbps. Maybe try almond butter.
Good luck bro, and make sure you post pics of yourself at 4%!!! :)
[QUOTE=Ouchburns;16352491]Good luck bro, and make sure you post pics of yourself at 4%!!! :)[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the feedback. Like I said earlier. I have no family history of heart problems, and my cholestorol and BP are fine.
If interested I have a bodyspace page here with blog and progress pics. I plan to constantly update ad nauseum. Pics, measurements, bf% (once under 10%), workouts, dietary adjustments. whatever else everyone wants to see.
Not a brag but I have a following(in my gym only) from the last time I did a body transformation. My gym used it in their ads I am posted on small poster there etc. Now I walk around and people don't beleive the after is me!!! So, short story long, I have to do better than last time or I will look like a failure and or people will not beleive the first transformation... Maybe not but that is motivation to me.
[QUOTE=jay1514929;16358791]Thanks for the feedback. Like I said earlier. I have no family history of heart problems, and my cholestorol and BP are fine.
If interested I have a bodyspace page here with blog and progress pics. I plan to constantly update ad nauseum. Pics, measurements, bf% (once under 10%), workouts, dietary adjustments. whatever else everyone wants to see.
Not a brag but I have a following(in my gym only) from the last time I did a body transformation. My gym used it in their ads I am posted on small poster there etc. Now I walk around and people don't beleive the after is me!!! So, short story long, I have to do better than last time or I will look like a failure and or people will not beleive the first transformation... Maybe not but that is motivation to me.[/QUOTE]
Just checked out your bodyspace bro, You made some good progress. Im at 278 right now and am going to cut to 225 where I should look pretty shredded. I started at 320 but now Im kinda starting where you started from. Id love to have a poster of myself to look at every time I entered the gym. It would just be more inspiration to better myself!
One way to reduce saturated fats is to eat a lot of oily fish (sardines, salmon, mackerel) and nuts instead. Add olive oil to lean meat. But the whole idea that saturated fats are a problem is very old-fashioned, and since testosterone increases with sat fats and decreases with polyunsaturates, is a definite problem for body builders.
[QUOTE=Eileen;16367151]But the whole idea that saturated fats are a problem is very old-fashioned, and since testosterone increases with sat fats and decreases with polyunsaturates, is a definite problem for body builders.[/QUOTE]
Thanks I will keep that in mind.
Does the fibre in the flax seeds count from the percentage of the total carbs? thx
I'd answer the post before me but I dont know, sorry :P My q is, should I count fiberous carbs in my daily carb intake? Eg; broccoli etc
Just an update. I figure a link will take up less space in the thread and only those interested have to read my ranting.
[url]http://blog.bodybuilding.com/jay1514929[/url]
[QUOTE=jessicaghi;16560461]Does the fibre in the flax seeds count from the percentage of the total carbs? thx[/QUOTE]
No
[QUOTE=jk21;16566591]I'd answer the post before me but I dont know, sorry :P My q is, should I count fiberous carbs in my daily carb intake? Eg; broccoli etc[/QUOTE]
No
That was easy :)